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    I have designed a bird feeder using a lever mechanism. This feeder has 6 ports for the birds weighing up to 30 grams each. The mechanism ensures the closing of its feeding port the moment a bigger bird sits on its perch. Both the beams of the balanced lever can be lowered or lifted on their predetermined paths to a significant length by a mere weight of 1 gram. Implementing this main characteristic of lever mechanism, I have successfully designed the bird feeder for 30 gram birds, i.e. American Goldfinch, Carolina Wren, Downy Woodpecker, Downy Woodpecker, Dark-eyed Junco, House Finch, House Sparrow, Purple Finch and many others that range between 11 grams to 30 grams.

    The lever based 'port closer' is the idea by which 5 to 6 types of bird feeders can be built based on the bird weights ranging from 11 grams to 180 grams so that the smaller birds will have access to all the feeders but bigger birds shall have access only to limited feeders.


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    What is it you wish to discuss. Gate feeders have been around for decades.


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    The weather/elements will take care of those parameters. Bigger birds knock seeds to the ground and smaller birds reap the bounty. If you only want small birds then use the sock feeder with niger seeds, bigger birds won’t even bother.
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    Read the OP's other posts here, if you want a laugh...He's a moron...
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    Beside gate feeder, there are platform feeders, hopper feeders, ground feeders people used to feed the birds with. For more than 100 years people are feeding the birds to help them survive but also with an intention to lure the birds closer to them so that they may enjoy their beauty and behavior.
    When they found out certain seeds attract certain birds then the seed feeders started to develop accordingly. People also wanted smaller birds to have their justified share in the feed.
    Then some 50years ago came tube feeders invented by Peter Kilham with 4 or 6 feeding ports and perch. Birder fills the feeder with seeds so the birds can feed themselves at the ports. There is peanut feeder made of mesh open enough for birds to pluck the peanuts out. Thistle feeders have small openings for dispensing small tiny seeds that only small birds can pluck.
    When the wild birds visit your seed feeder they are hungry. They don’t care if you have filled the feeder with sunflower seeds or safflower seeds or peanuts so as to attract smaller birds like Northern Cardinals, chickadees and jays.
    Some inventors have come up with squirrel repellent feeders. Squirrels attack the feeders passionately. They eat, they spill the seeds and they damage the feeder.
    The inflow of the new versions of squirrel proof bird feeders is evidentiary fact that the feeder inventors have been too engaged in this battle against dominating squirrels to offer a look into the one sided competition that takes place among the birds of unequal size & weight when there is no squirrel in sight. Installation of squirrel repellent feeder is only a way half travelled towards preserving rightful seed share of each and every bird that enters or wishes to enter the birder’s backyard.
    Repelling of squirrels is not a complete solution if the squirrel free feeders are not further freed from the clutch of the bigger birds that make the smaller ones wait their turn for hours and then fly away disheartened.
    In the absence of a squirrel, the other big birds in comparison establish their supremacy over that small territory of the backyard. Smaller birds have to wait for their turn in spite of their seed share being negligible in the feeder. Even though many a times a small bird is a first visitor to sit on a perch of the feeder that is bursting with the seeds of its choice, it is well aware of the fact that the early arrivals of the small birds establish no rights over the seeds and it is more than eager to fly away the moment it senses the presence of a bird of its senior group nearby.
    In the past, some inventor might have struck with the idea of constructing small perch and small port opening for small birds and no one gave it a second thought as it seemed a logical solution of No Entry to bigger birds. In the absence of any other suitable idea small perch and small port is permanently attached to the feeders meant for small birds.
    But to me it is an inadequate idea. Clutching on a small perch becomes vulnerable for the small bird as its leg movement is confined by the shortness of the perch.
    Small bird has more predators than its bigger counterpart. Small bird moves constantly so as to avoid becoming a target of an unseen predator. Small perch restricts the bird’s movement that aids its brain calculate the length of the safer moment required for its purposeful further act. It is always ready to fly and always look in all directions except the unmoving seeds in the port. And then it very cleverly catches the safer moment to look into the small port and select the preferred seed. But then again it pulls out its neck and looks outside for any unusual movement and then only it picks up the preferred seed and speedily flies in the nearby bushy branch.
    Most of the smaller birds, below 25 to 30 grams, have embraced above strategy for their survival. As we go on looking at the bigger and bigger birds we find their movements getting more and more confident with increasing size and decreasing number of predators and seniors.
    The bigger birds also have to compete with the bully birds like common grackle, European sterling or chipmunk weighing from 60 grams to150 grams. They come in a flock so though their bullying power seems to be multiplied but in reality they compete among themselves to catch the maximum seeds from the fast disappearing stock in the feeders. In a flock, bully birds are in position to ignore the presence of other birds only if they stay at a distance.
    In short, bigger birds have access to all feeders while smaller birds have access to limited feeders.
    My idea of ‘lever based port closer’ caters to smaller birds at all feeders while bigger birds can feed at limited feeders.
    This idea of mine is patent pending in India by Patent Application no. 201921041856, dated 14 October 2019.
    I don’t want any endorsement from TSF members regarding my idea. My posting the idea in ‘The Science Forum’ today is additional evidence I want to create against any intentional misuse of my idea. Lever based port closer is a new concept that I have introduced in the protection of rightful seed share of the smaller birds in the seed feeders.
    Now I will try to contact few bird feeder manufacturers namely,
    1. Brome bird care. Canada.
    2. Droll Yankees. USA.
    3. Perky pet. USA.
    Because till today they have not mentioned on their websites anything related to closing of the individual feeding ports by means of levers. If any one of you is using the feeders made by one of the above company, you may please enquire to the manufacture about the above concept.
    I will describe the working of ‘lever based port closer’ in next few posts.
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    Your describing a gate feeder, and I repeat,its been around for decades. Also based on my own backyard, small and large birds feed actively at the same time or within minutes of eachother.

    You don't have anything new, and likely are mimicking something thats already copyrighted.
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    Paleoichneum , Thanks for the compliments.
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    Paleoichneum,
    Below is the brief description of my invention named, “Lever Based Closers of Bird Feeding Ports for ‘Bird’s Weight Group Feeders.” Your disbelief is a compliment and hope you will read it carefully before responding.
    It is not mimicking something that’s already copyrighted really.
    My invention of port closer consists of two levers per closer. The major lever is installed for lowering the bird stand and a miniature lever for lifting the closer. The major lever is placed below the port. Total weight of the major lever is variable for every birds’ weight group feeder, but weight of the bird stand (of various designs) is always included in the weight of short beam when the lever is in balance. The short beam (suppose 40mm long) is outside of the feeder wall and the longer beam (suppose 80 mm long) is inside the feeder. This lever is founded on the main shaft that is of length same as the feeder diameter. The main shaft is to be fixed to the feeder wall firmly by 4 screws for which the main shaft has 4 threading holes. When fixed inside the feeder, the fulcrum of the major lever is just 4 mm inside from the wall of the feeder. It means that the short beam of 40 mm length is 36 mm outside of the feeder. It also means that the fulcrum of the major lever is founded 4mm inside of the feeder. The longer beam is 80 mm long. So the major lever is of 120 mm in length of which 36 mm is placed outside of the feeder and 84 mm of length of lever is placed inside of the feeder.
    The 120 mm length of the major lever is made up of two pieces of steel bars. The longer part is of 90 mm length and the fulcrum is at 80 mm on it and there is threading hole on the surface where the lever ends. The lever is fixed on the main shaft of the foundation. Main shaft has 4 threaded holes for 4 screws to be tightened. So once the 90 mm lever is fixed to the main shaft, the other lever for opposite closer also is to be fixed to the main shaft. Thus there are 2 levers for 2 closers opposite each other.
    This assembly further is covered in metal sheet. This is called ‘Main shaft cover’ that is of length of feeder diameter and of width so as to accommodate main shaft including both levers and of height to accommodate upward and downward movements of the levers. It has smooth finish from outside and because of its slenderness cleaning of the feeder becomes easy.
    The main shaft cover, consisting of an assembly of 2 levers and a main shaft can be pushed inside the feeder from its upper opening and the 4 screws can be tightened from the 4 holes on the feeder wall of appropriate size and shape on the main shaft on the opposite sides of the feeder wall. Once the main shaft is placed firmly inside the feeder, the 2 short beams with their respective bird stands can be tightened on the threaded holes of the levers.
    For a feeder consisting of 6 feeding ports, such 3 assemblies of 2 levers and 3 main shafts will be fixed to the feeder wall at given distance.
    I must declare here that I am looking into possibilities to construct a middle bar on which these 3 assemblies will be fixed. So that it will be easily installed into the feeder along with 3 main shafts and 6 levers and can be taken out easily at once.
    Short beam part of 30 mm length, is not a regular lever beam but it has another round shaped lengthy bar (bird stand) attached to it that stands little below the feeding port and is spread horizontally on the both sides of the port. Another standing arch shaped bar rests on this bar. This arch is around the port and there is enough space left to move for the birds of every group. The design of the bird stand and arch is squirrel deterrent. When the squirrel stands on the lower bird stand and tries to put its mouth inside the above port, the above bird stand will block its entry or if the squirrel increases the pressure on it, it will come down due to weight transfer from lower bird stand to upper bird stand and the port will be closed. Now if a squirrel stands on the above stand and tries to lower itself on the below port, the arch or the appropriate design as shown in the drawings of the patent application, will prevent its action. If the squirrel tries to remove aside the arch, it will only come down until the lower port is closed.
    The mini lever, that is installed inside the closer cover well secured from the attackers, of which one beam is made up of closer (less than 3 grams of weight) itself and the other beam is a short piece of metal that has a pivot on which a loosely attached steel bar is hanging. The bar is little loosely attached to the short beam below, by one or two rings. Mini lever is balanced in its present idle position. It means the mini lever’s closer side equals with the hanging bar side in weight. A pull of less than a gram is enough to move the closer upward. The looseness of the bar prevents its directional influence on the closer that moves upwards when the short beam travels down through its circular path pushing the bar along with it in that direction. Nonetheless the friction that may occur would be negligible compared to the lever sizes. Looseness of the bar also prevents effects of the squirrel attacks on the outer parts of the feeder being transferred to the mini lever.
    Length of the bird stand will give an ample opportunity to the small birds to move in all directions and its length along the port opening.
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    Its a gate feeder......

    It's not new or exciting......

    At no point have Icomplimented you. I pointed out that you are making something that already exists, and has for a decade. You will not get praise for duplicating something thought up 40 years ago by someone else.

    This is a discussion forum, what exactly are you hoping to DISCUSS?
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    https://www.welcomewildlife.com/types-of-bird-feeders/

    Please read the link and come to know of the history of bird feeders since 19th century till present day.
    No doubt for more than 100 years large gate feeders has been one of the most important tools that cater to all types and sizes of hungry birds at any one time. Open to all feeders increase spillage, wastage and the seeds get dirtier fast and consequently the birders tend to feed low quality seeds that minimizes the competition among the visiting birds.
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    By my own observations, larger birds sitting on a feeder spill at minimum enough seeds to feed another bird on the ground. If one small bird on a feeder spills next to nothing then only one bird gets fed. I would also think if there are only so many ports then only dominant birds eat, lesser birds get nothing. We used to buy feeders that kept bigger birds at bay but noticed there was less spill and less birds being fed.

    For this new feeder, has any thought gone into the effect less spillage has on Feeder birds? Less spillage should increase squirrel visits to the feeder if it can’t forage below. Every supposed squirrel proof feeder I’ve owned has eventually been breached by this rodent’s teeth and strength. On one squirrel proof feeder a songbird somehow got a foot stuck in the closing mechanism and died a horrible death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uday yadav View Post
    It is not mimicking something that’s already copyrighted really.
    You can't copyright an idea for a bird feeder. You might be able to patent it, if there is anything novel in it. (Although you can't patent it now because you have disclosed it (apart from the mad US laws on this that I don't understand).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    By my own observations, larger birds sitting on a feeder spill at minimum enough seeds to feed another bird on the ground. If one small bird on a feeder spills next to nothing then only one bird gets fed. I would also think if there are only so many ports then only dominant birds eat, lesser birds get nothing. We used to buy feeders that kept bigger birds at bay but noticed there was less spill and less birds being fed.
    By your own observations you have highlighted painful inequalities among the birds visiting your feeder.
    Larger birds would bear presence of the smaller birds only below the feeder on the ground. Larger birds have total rights over the clean and fresh seeds that you filled the feeder with. By natural instinct they would dig in the abundance of seeds in the feeder as if searching for prey. This needless process would spill few seeds off the feeder on the ground. The smaller birds cannot be choosy like the dominant birds above and has to look for every dusty seed that is spilled due to dominant bird’s foolish act.
    The smaller bird doesn’t have guts to linger on the feeder for more than few seconds. So spilling the seeds by its maneuver is negligible. It is more aware of the chances of entry of bigger bird than picking the seeds of its choice.
    This inequality forced the bird lovers to look for alternate feeding systems that led to inventing many types of bird feeders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post

    For this new feeder, has any thought gone into the effect less spillage has on Feeder birds? Less spillage should increase squirrel visits to the feeder if it can’t forage below. Every supposed squirrel proof feeder I’ve owned has eventually been breached by this rodent’s teeth and strength. On one squirrel proof feeder a songbird somehow got a foot stuck in the closing mechanism and died a horrible death.
    The squirrel will be grateful if you put one small pot of fresh seeds especially for it than hoping that satisfied by foraging on the spilled seeds she would not reach for the feeder.

    Brome bird care is a squirrel proof feeder manufacturer that guarantees lifetime replacement of damaged parts.
    For the foot stuck songbird, if you have any medicine bill or veterinary doctor’s visit before the poor little bird died of a long pain, please send a notice to the manufacturer.

    But honestly I believe, it is unlikely to happen.
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    I could not edit the Strange quote correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by uday yadav View Post
    It is not mimicking something that’s already copyrighted really.
    You can't copyright an idea for a bird feeder. You might be able to patent it, if there is anything novel in it. (Although you can't patent it now because you have disclosed it (apart from the mad US laws on this that I don't understand).
    This idea of mine is patent pending in India by Patent Application no. 201921041856, dated 14 October 2019.
    Association of 180 nations accepts the patent application date as date of invention. Hence after applying in India, I am allowed to try to convince the interested parties to look into the novelty of my invention.
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    Cite your sources for the assertions that bigger bird are that bastards that you portray them as.

    As someone actually living in western North America, they do NOT have the traits you are asserting. You seem to be making up false bull shit to sell your gate feeder as something new and needed. It's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Cite your sources for the assertions that bigger bird are that bastards that you portray them as.

    As someone actually living in western North America, they do NOT have the traits you are asserting. You seem to be making up false bull shit to sell your gate feeder as something new and needed. It's not.
    https://www.britishbirdlovers.co.uk/...t-bird-feeders
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ies-go-hungry/
    https://www.earth.com/news/bird-feed...polized-birds/
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...017.00081/full
    When 136 Bird Species Show Up at a Feeder, Which One Wins? | All About Birds

    Dear Paleoichneum,

    There are tens of websites voicing the cruelty done to weaker birds when they came in the line of attack of the stronger ones.

    Yes I want to sell my concept of ‘lever based port closer’ to the bird feeder manufacturers as it is a novelty in the field. No one till date has ever thought of closing the feeding ports individually for certain weight group of birds.

    For your information your country USA spends more than 2 billion dollars on bird feeding of which more than 150 million dollars are spent on buying modern bird feeders. I don’t have the exact figure about the western North Americans spending on the feeders.

    If I am to believe you as a citizen of western North American, it must be that the smaller birds of western North American have learnt to keep safe distance and not be lured by the seeds of their choice.

    Bigger the prize bigger the competition.
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    So the entire point of this thread is to advertize your idea in hopes of making a profit from here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    So the entire point of this thread is to advertize your idea in hopes of making a profit from here....
    Just because you did not understand or you did not care to read the brief description of working of ‘lever based port closer’ you are not in a position to question the work-ability of my idea. My idea is here for your criticism. You are free to kill it by your intelligence, your skill at technology. If you find a single flaw in my idea, do you think I would be in a position to advertise it?

    I have put my idea here because this forum is the worst kind of place where new born ideas are killed with cruelty by non-creative ones. My idea is not a new born helpless creature. It has its own defense. It is power in itself. It will kill all the criticism with one stroke and win the hearts of bird lovers.
    The science forum will definitely welcome strong and effective inventions. And if the useful inventions bring joy in the life of many, is it a crime that the whole engagement creates little money for the concerned people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uday yadav View Post
    The smaller birds cannot be choosy like the dominant birds above and has to look for every dusty seed that is spilled due to dominant bird’s foolish act.
    You make it sound like the birds give a shit if the seeds are dusty or on the ground. They don't. In fact, pretty much every seed eating bird ingests grit and small gravel intentionally to use in its gizzard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uday yadav View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    So the entire point of this thread is to advertize your idea in hopes of making a profit from here....
    Just because you did not understand or you did not care to read the brief description of working of ‘lever based port closer’ you are not in a position to question the work-ability of my idea. My idea is here for your criticism. You are free to kill it by your intelligence, your skill at technology. If you find a single flaw in my idea, do you think I would be in a position to advertise it?

    I have put my idea here because this forum is the worst kind of place where new born ideas are killed with cruelty by non-creative ones. My idea is not a new born helpless creature. It has its own defense. It is power in itself. It will kill all the criticism with one stroke and win the hearts of bird lovers.
    The science forum will definitely welcome strong and effective inventions. And if the useful inventions bring joy in the life of many, is it a crime that the whole engagement creates little money for the concerned people?
    I fully understand your purpose. Its an attempt to generate interest in your not so novel gate feeder, based in very poor anthropomophosized bird behaviour and intentions.
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    How does a gate for only small birds prevent larger birds from forcibly removing smaller birds from their perch? Larger birds will react to small birds feeding, you can’t hang up a sign that says big birds not welcome.
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    Although I have seen that one (or one like it) outside a 1990s night club...

    ("Big birds" in American would be "fat chicks", )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
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    The smaller birds cannot be choosy like the dominant birds above and has to look for every dusty seed that is spilled due to dominant bird’s foolish act.
    You make it sound like the birds give a shit if the seeds are dusty or on the ground. They don't. In fact, pretty much every seed eating bird ingests grit and small gravel intentionally to use in its gizzard.
    Then the bigger birds would be seen on the ground choosing sparsely scattered dusty seeds compelling smaller ones to feed the clean seeds on the feeder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    How does a gate for only small birds prevent larger birds from forcibly removing smaller birds from their perch? Larger birds will react to small birds feeding, you can’t hang up a sign that says big birds not welcome.
    Bigger birds and smaller birds reach your backyard feeder to feed on the seeds. There is no other intention. The moment smaller birds sense their arrival they fly and rush into bushy branch to keep safe distance from the bigger birds. But if the port opening (gate) is small the bigger birds cannot pick the seeds. They don’t afford to waste their energy on a kind of vendetta on the smaller birds. They move away in search of big port feeder.


    Hence the feeder with small ports is sold as a feeder for smaller birds.



    Your suggestion of sock feeder with niger seeds for small birds is really practical. It is an instant solution for feeding the small birds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    So the entire point of this thread is to advertize your idea in hopes of making a profit from here....
    Just because you did not understand or you did not care to read the brief description of working of ‘lever based port closer’ you are not in a position to question the work-ability of my idea. My idea is here for your criticism. You are free to kill it by your intelligence, your skill at technology. If you find a single flaw in my idea, do you think I would be in a position to advertise it?

    I have put my idea here because this forum is the worst kind of place where new born ideas are killed with cruelty by non-creative ones. My idea is not a new born helpless creature. It has its own defense. It is power in itself. It will kill all the criticism with one stroke and win the hearts of bird lovers.
    The science forum will definitely welcome strong and effective inventions. And if the useful inventions bring joy in the life of many, is it a crime that the whole engagement creates little money for the concerned people?
    I fully understand your purpose. Its an attempt to generate interest in your not so novel gate feeder, based in very poor anthropomophosized bird behaviour and intentions.
    I should not be blamed for my invention.


    The feeder manufacturers invent novel ways to sell their feeders.


    Types of feeders are not restricted to bird sizes only. At present there are so many kinds of feeders.
    Hopper feeders.
    Tube feeders.
    Peanut feeders.
    Thistle feeders.
    Ground feeders.
    Suet feeders.
    Oriole feeders.
    Nectar feeders
    Squirrel proof feeders. there are 4 or 5 types of squirrel repellent feeders.


    If the feeder has evolved into so much diversity, my dear Paleoichneum, one more type of 'not so novel' feeder should not trouble you so much.


    All the above feeders prospered into reality in your absence. Please don’t abuse my really novel idea of feeding port (and not feeder) without any relevant reason just because I put it on this forum.
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    No offence but I think your bird feeder is in line with inventing a better mousetrap. After all is said and done, nothing really changes.

    I think if your feeder is patented then the best thing for you to do is package it. You have to make the public want your feeder more than the others. Find yourself a marketing agent but they cost money. Otherwise be resigned to the mousetrap scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    No offence but I think your bird feeder is in line with inventing a better mousetrap. After all is said and done, nothing really changes.

    I think if your feeder is patented then the best thing for you to do is package it. You have to make the public want your feeder more than the others. Find yourself a marketing agent but they cost money. Otherwise be resigned to the mousetrap scenario.
    I agree. 95% of the patented ideas remain unused.

    Following para from an article, ‘The Real Patent Crisis Is Stifling Innovation’ I just read,

    --- ‘Of today’s 2.1 million active patents, 95 percent fail to be licensed or commercialized. These unlicensed patents include over 50,000 high-quality patented inventions developed by universities. More than $5 trillion has been spent in the U.S. alone on research and development over the past 20 years, much of which went to create the very patents that remain unlicensed. According to Forrester Research, “U.S. firms annually waste $1 trillion in underused intellectual property assets by failing to extract the full value of that property through partnerships.” In other words, we’re pouring money – and productivity – down the drain…’

    In India, more than 2 years, I have been trying to convince the ECI, Election Commission of India, to give a try to my invention, ‘Optical Voting Machine’.

    I prepared a prototype and gave presentation to the members of Experts Committee. I also gave the presentation to the Election commissioner of one of the states of India named Maharashtra. I showed the prototype to the officers of the company that manufactures electronic voting machines for ECI.

    I still hope someday they will accept my invention and manufacture the Optical Voting Machines based on my concept which are totally foolproof and also cannot be alleged to be corruptible.
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    Oh yes. Because clearly no one has ever taken a picture of an eye before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Oh yes. Because clearly no one has ever taken a picture of an eye before.
    Will you please elaborate on this? Not taking a picture of an eye?
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    Too bad there's not a foolproof way to vote using your cellphone? Might increase voter turnout if there was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Oh yes. Because clearly no one has ever taken a picture of an eye before.
    If my guess is right about what you mean by taking a picture of an eye, you have almost correctly predicted my idea, ‘Taking a picture of EVM (Electronic Voting Machine) at its voting moment.’

    This digital photograph taken & saved by a standalone device, OVM, is a photographic audit trail for every vote cast on the EVM. Being digital, every vote can now be cross checked instantly and 100% vote recount is possible so as to eliminate chances of EVM tampering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Too bad there's not a foolproof way to vote using your cellphone? Might increase voter turnout if there was.
    Experts may find a way to safeguard genuine voter’s vote when online, but how will they stop the online vote auctioning?
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    And how exactly will the funds be found to take photographs of 90 million (conservatively) pairs of eyes. Leaving aside the massive reach into private life that that would constitute

    You idea is moronic.
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    Look, the OP is a clueless dick (read his other threads for evidence). Ignore him, he'll go away...
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    But randomized serial numbers were going to make millions og dollars. Honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    And how exactly will the funds be found to take photographs of 90 million (conservatively) pairs of eyes. Leaving aside the massive reach into private life that that would constitute

    You idea is moronic.
    The idea of taking a photograph of a single pair of eyes is MORONIC and it’s not mine.

    I mistook you.

    You said taking a picture of an eye. I was careless to have found this similar to mine.

    My idea is, ‘Taking a picture of EVM (Electronic Voting Machine) at its voting moment.’

    When you vote, you witness the voting moment (pressing button or touching a screen) by watching the machine’s response to your touching it. What I suggest is to take a picture of the machine’s responding moment that convinces you that your vote has been correctly captured by that machine.

    Paleoichneum,

    You are very good at discussion. So please don't post in haste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    But randomized serial numbers were going to make millions og dollars. Honest.
    The idea of randomized serial numbers was patented in 1985 to an American inventor. When in 1913 I applied for the idea, in the subsequent search for obviousness of the idea, I came to know of this.

    So there was no sense in pursuing the idea. I will find name of the inventor that I forgot and will post here.

    I have 6 or 7 patent pending ideas since 1913. Though none of them has brought me money yet, I enjoy the feeling of being first to run into them. It is incomparable. At least until I struck gold.
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    Wow I am impressed. Your over 106 years old? Congrats

    Clearly the thing you need to do first is start selling whatever it is that your smoking to live so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Wow I am impressed. Your over 106 years old? Congrats

    Clearly the thing you need to do first is start selling whatever it is that your smoking to live so long.
    Do not use a typing mistake to mislead the discussion.

    Quite shrewd of you.

    Earlier it was ‘not so novel’ and now it is ‘whatever it is’.

    What are you afraid of? I think, your apprehension when confronted by the originality of an idea (though you don’t seem to comprehend my idea) makes you dumb enough to find adjectives appropriate to scientific concepts.

    This is science forum but is being ruled by intellectual ruffians and buffoons together.
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    Its not novel or original though. As has already been pointed out. It's simply a gate feeder as is already made to keep large birds or squirrels out if feeders. You don't want to understand that though. Same as your other threads when you were confronted by the people you directly were going to market to and they told you your idea was bollocks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Its not novel or original though. As has already been pointed out. It's simply a gate feeder as is already made to keep large birds or squirrels out if feeders. You don't want to understand that though. Same as your other threads when you were confronted by the people you directly were going to market to and they told you your idea was bollocks
    My idea offers following benefits to the birders for the first time in bird feeding history.


    1. Five gate feeders for five weight groups of birds ranging 10 grams to 180 grams.
    2. Seesaw mechanism (lever based) for closing the gates.
    3. Birders satisfaction that every visiting bird is provided exclusive access to its feeder.


    Existing gate feeders cannot provide above facilities as they are not using seesaw mechanism to close the gates. Bird feeding industry will take a leap forward in serving their customers better by using my idea.

    So why do you call it not so novel?

    They told me my idea was bollocks. I searched for the meaning. Bollocks is a highly offensive term indicating strong disbelief or disagreement. It only means they did not agree to my claims and yet could not discredit my idea.

    In due course of time I am going to be awarded a patent for it. Unsold idea is not inventor's fault.

    No one around to read our posts. Let us take a break of few days.
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    The point still remains that companies have been building bird feeders with weight sensitive perches for years. The idea is nothing new. From what I've seen of just a simple google search is that they use a multitude of methods for these weight sensitive perches set to a variety of different weights. The simplest solution to your "problem" of large bird remains a cage feeder though. It will keep large birds and squirrels out while allowing small birds access. You're basically over-complicating an already solved problem simply because you desire the attention and think you're going to get rich.
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