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    There are lots of nifty gadgets, advancements etc. What would you say, however, worked just fine and may have even been better. Are there old technologies you prefer to the lastest?

    I was thinkng about things like a pencil vs the latest handheld notebook. So uncomplicated. No batteries, no programming. No moving parts. Got the job done with no fuss and bother.


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    We and the earth survived a long time without many of the things used today. Take away electricity and see what's left!

    Bicycle would be my favourite example, much better than a 4x4!


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    I have a flashlight that works without a battery, just turn a handle for a minute and you get a couple minutes light. They invented these things during world war 2, but it's still a good product.

    And yea bicycles are great, I wouldn't know what to do without mine :wink: I don't have a car (no licence yet, and no money to buy one), and public transport doesn't get you everywhere. So I do nearly everything by bicycle, if it's not more than 20km away or so.
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    A world without electricity ??

    What a disaster that would be, then id have to say my favourite invention would be, erm....erm.....erm.....erm...............

    My right hand ?
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins

    My right hand ?
    If that's the old technology you prefer over the new....makes me wonder what replaced it. Some sort of "fem-bot"? I'd hate to see a short out....that could be really painful...plus the smell of burnt pubes...ewww!
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    Ever tried attaching a muscle toner machine to your biceps and turning it up full-whack ? - works wonders. LMAO.

    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    We and the earth survived a long time without many of the things used today. Take away electricity and see what's left!

    Bicycle would be my favourite example, much better than a 4x4!
    Hey don't take away electricity. Our forum......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    There's no danger to the forum, it runs on brain power.
    Aren't you witty.

    Anyways, on the subject. New quality products are great. The problem is that, because of the economy, products are intentionally being made not to last. I have been ridding bicycles all my life and if I wasn't a curious little kid who decided to take my old mountain bike apart without knowing how to put it back my old bicycle would probably be in better condition than my knew one. One of my teachers just pointed out the other day how the new white boards go bad really fast. Yet they are newer. :?

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    I tto have a wind-up torch and radio, but i thought they were invented by Trevor Baylis.

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    I was having this discussion with my grandad in Australia a couple of months ago, and he summed it up perfectly.

    "Todays tools are much better then anything we use to have, but if any of these new things break there is no way of fixing it yourself".
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    I still have a complete set of hand tools, they all still work, none have broken - yet today's tools are so cheap, if you know how to use them then usually the money you save on one job is enough to pay for them.

    Tee problem with keeping old technology is simply that they don't update it they replace it - first we all bought records then tapes, then cassettes, then video cassettes then cd's now dvds, sooon HRMD so all the old family memories have to be updated each time...

    HRMD? - That'll be Holographic recording memory device or whatever they decide to call it...

    for about 15 years I serviced my own central heating boiler, eventually the heat exchanger went, re-soldering with high temperature melting point solder failed - I could not get a replacement, when I went to buy a new boiler it was expensive. All the blurb said it MUST be fitted by an approved CORGI registered gas fitter, and wired up by an approved ieee16 qualified electrician - otherwise I could be sued/ my house insurance could be invalidated... Well it's on the wall and t's fitted as well as any qualified person could fit it - All I did wa ask an approved gas fitter to inspect it and write out a certificate (for a fee)....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    first we all bought records then tapes, then cassettes, then video cassettes then cd's now dvds, sooon HRMD so all the old family memories have to be updated each time....
    You might have, but i started with videos :wink:

    for about 15 years I serviced my own central heating boiler, eventually the heat exchanger went, re-soldering with high temperature melting point solder failed - I could not get a replacement, when I went to buy a new boiler it was expensive. All the blurb said it MUST be fitted by an approved CORGI registered gas fitter, and wired up by an approved ieee16 qualified electrician - otherwise I could be sued/ my house insurance could be invalidated... Well it's on the wall and t's fitted as well as any qualified person could fit it - All I did wa ask an approved gas fitter to inspect it and write out a certificate (for a fee)....
    Thats the cheapest way of doing it, just so long as you know what you are doing. If you think thats bad try this. At a job we have been working at for about 2 mouths, a 250 year old 4 story(?) bungaroosh (chalk and flint) building. The foundation's of those walls are about 6 inches. We wanted to put a new floor in the basement, this is what we had to do...

    Dig out the floor down to the bottom of the foundation's, put down 3 inches of hard core, blanch it with sand, put down a membrain (unsplit) over the whole area and 2 inches up the wall, then 2 inches of installation, 3 inches of reinforced concrete, last but not least, vandec's 1 meter up the wall and 1 meter along the floor, THEN we could lay the floor. And in the end the building inspector didn't check one stage of that !!!!! All in all it cost £5,000.
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    I have a sizeable collection of DVD's and no interest in replacing them with HD or Blu-Ray. As for music, I have a record player, and some good Jazz albums - Miles Davis, Louis Armstrong, Billie Holiday, Keith Jarrett - that I play on it.
    I have some of those records on CD too, though, so I can listen to them when driving the car, and I have them on my PC in high quality.

    For me, the different data formats have advantages and disadvantages, and that certainly isn't going to change with the advent of 'better' DVD's. I don't see the advantage of having a huge flatscreen TV on my wall (I don't appreciate such blatant endorsements of consumerism) so my DVD collection is sufficient for playing films on my computer or TV.

    Besides, a lot of films are done with that 'digital' crap, which means that even on my 17 inch computer screen they look shitty - I doubt they'll look better on a bigger screen.

    As for transportation, I love my bicycle, but I love driving a car as well. They are different experiences. Living in the city, a bicycle can often be a problem because of the bad air. Driving a car through the country side listening to Tweeter and the Monkey Man (Don't ask) is great.
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    Anything to take your mind of mile after mile of flat featurless countryside....
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    SUBJECT RELATED TRIVIA.......



    See if you can name some of mankinds oldest inventions that are still being used to this day and yet, for all extensive purposes, have never been technologically upgraded.

    So for example - The Wheel would not be a good choice due to the fact that vast improvements have been made as to the performance of the original design.
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    I disagree with discounting the wheel - why - in many places in the world it is still used in close to it's original form, especially in 3rd world rural areas.

    The knife similarly is still the basic implement it ever was - again it's the materials that have changed.

    Then theres the plough, another example, some are still wooden driven by oxen.

    In scotland there was unearthed a settlment from the bronze age in which each dwelling had a toilet! - but no flush...

    THe wheel has been around a long time, without it we wouldn't have our supplies of electricity - It rates in my opinion as the ultimate discovery of all time - no exceptions!

    Incidentally the only real engineering design improvement ever made to the wheel was the addition of bearings (on some models)!

    I can think of a whole list of others from rope to clothes but I'll give way to others!
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    Incidentally the only real engineering design improvement ever made to the wheel was the addition of bearings (on some models)!
    What about the pneumatic tyre?

    I guess all the books and printed articles strewn about my room and my exercise books full of handwritten notes might be an example of old technology. It must be cheaper and more environmentally friendly to publish to digital formats, and a lot of stuff is, but I still prefer to do my reading and writing with paper and I think a lot of people, even those that embrace most other new technologies, do as well.
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    Those are all good examples but keep in mind that what I am suggesting is not so much the oldest invention or the most important invention. Instead I'm talking about an invention that, since it's birth, has undergone the fewest - if any - upgrades as, not just to the nature of its function, but even the materials from wich it was made.

    The general function of the wheel has remained the same for the most part but the substance materials that is used to make it has come along way since wood and stone.

    Try to think of the oldest product or invention that has remained almost entirely unaltered since it was first created. Like say.....a fork....or something.


    ......I've got a really good one but I want to wait and see some more examples from other people first
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    I bought a torch the other day that doesnt run on batteries. You just turn this handle for a while and it lights up. It only lasts for around 20 minutes though. I bought it for around £20. Personally, I think its a bit of a wind-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
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    The pnumatic tyre? - you have confined your thinking on wheels solely to transport....

    Well you can still buy a jug or some pottery that has pretty much remained unchanged since the dawn of civilisation, another would be a wooden ladder or stairs etc. did I say rope? and million others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolt
    SUBJECT RELATED TRIVIA.......



    See if you can name some of mankinds oldest inventions that are still being used to this day and yet, for all extensive purposes, have never been technologically upgraded.

    So for example - The Wheel would not be a good choice due to the fact that vast improvements have been made as to the performance of the original design.
    I was gonna say a knife but, since that was taken, what about stained glass?

    My own trivia: Red stained glass has gold nanoparticles in it (not red).
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    Bricks or other masonry hasn't changed much.

    Alcoholic beverages are still about the same, along with other natural occurring drugs.

    Neither has man's understanding of the female mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968
    Neither has man's understanding of the female mind.
    and we shall never understand, the 8th wonder of the world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968
    Neither has man's understanding of the female mind.
    and we shall never understand, the 8th wonder of the world...
    So er the other 7 have been around longer eh?
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    i don't understand
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    If anything I think the girls should be the first wonder of the world...
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    ah right, true. I was just applying a saying
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    Ok the oldest invention of man is, without doubt, the use of a stone as a weapon, just pick one up and lob it!
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    But man didn't invent the stone.

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    I was going to say glass or stained glass but DaBOB already called it.

    But beyond that, how about a mirror? Thats a fairly old invention. Its basically just a sheet of reflective metal usually coper silver or tin of some kind. Yet today we graft it over a layer of glass so I guess that counts as an improvement.

    ...mants understanding of the female mind

    What are you talking about? That ones easy! I understand the female mind completely! Here, allow me to explain:

    You see the female mind can be summed up with one very simple mathematical formula. First you begin with a basic 0 - 1 binary... [ATTENTION: THIS INTERNET BLOGGER HAS BEEN TEMPORARILY DECOMMISSIONED BY THE I.F.P.R.C. (INTERNATIONAL -FORUM POST- REGULATION COMMITTEE) IN VIOLATION OF THE 'SECURE DATA TRAFFICING' PROTOCOL.]
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    The English Longbow. High powered at being able to punch through some armours and has an effective range of 400 yards and sometimes greater
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    But man didn't invent the stone.

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    I was just getting used to the wierd bouncing red guy.
    No, I said "The use of" when referring to a stone, - as to the weird bouncing red guy, as a result of several PM's and some public posts he has been terminated. - the current (temp) avatar is a pic of part of my PC taken with this camera gadget thingy..
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    to get rid of modern technology from man would be like cutting of a limb. Its inhumane
    not even criminals deserve such cruel and unusual punishment

    also new is allways better once the bugs are gone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolt
    You see the female mind can be summed up with one very simple mathematical formula. First you begin with a basic 0 - 1 binary... [ATTENTION: THIS INTERNET BLOGGER HAS BEEN TEMPORARILY DECOMMISSIONED BY THE I.F.P.R.C. (INTERNATIONAL -FORUM POST- REGULATION COMMITTEE) IN VIOLATION OF THE 'SECURE DATA TRAFFICING' PROTOCOL.]
    That's good.
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