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  1. #1 Throught the Wormhole antienvironmental and evil antivegan ideas 
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    After watching all seasons of "Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman" I found it to be not so boring for science oriented show but I found things I didn‘t like about show. Scientific innacuracies are understandable since show was designed to be entertaining and interesting to the masses of different intelligence, culture and religious beliefs. What I found to be most disturbing and disgusting is that there a lots of scenes promoting meat consumption and ideas portraying humans as predators residing at the top of a food chain upon which no other creatures prey, as if being carnivore is greatest evolutionary achievement.Meat is often used demontrated as food human but also even wasted for game and for demonstrations.
    In one sense Western culture has great achievements in science and technology but there also toxic side of our culture such destructive consumerism, indifference to environment, parasitism, violent competition and speciecism. Animal farming is most evil thing on planet as millions of sentient animals are being tortured since birth and it was proven to play big role in environmental damage as well public health problems. Animal raising is not efficient and costly way to produce food - lot of plant food, land and fresh water is wasted to raise animals. It takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of edible animal flesh. Amazonian forests are cut out to to grow food for farm animals. So why to waste plant food and natural resources for meat production when could feed poor people who dying of hunger and help save planet?

    I think the most moral and environmental way to live would be to grow own food or buy from small community permacultural gardens. It‘s inevitable that animal abuse will be banned in future like was human slavery, abuse and discrimination. Countries like Germany, Denmark and Sweden already holding discussions about implementing meat tax, China plans to cut meat consumption by 50%. The American Medical Association's House of Delegates has called for hospitals to provide plant-based meals and eliminate processed meats from their menus
    There is popularised belief that human brains got bigger because of hunting and high meat diet. Although there are alternative and more plausible explanations for human brain expansion such as social interaction and high starch diet. Brain needs a lot of glucose to function so it makes sense to crave high starch and sweet foods. Predators whose diet consist entirelly of meat are quite dumb animals, actually herbivorous farm animals such as cows, pigs are smarter than dogs, they do also have consciousness, emotions and can make friends, only they don‘t speak english.
    In mass media when people are talking about nutrition quality there is a lot emphasis getting a lot protein which comes from animals forgetting other important nutrients. And if you need more protein is there is complete protein in nuts, beans, pumpkin and sunflower seeds.
    B12 vitamin deficiency is detected not only in vegans but as well in meat eaters because B12 is produced by bacteria and NOT animals. Farm animals do get B12 injections too. Our ancestors didn‘t had this vitamin deficiency because they would drink water and eat plants which were not sterilized, as well they practised fermentation of food which would enrich food with vitamins B12 and K.
    Plants are better sources of Omega 3, in fact adequate animal sources of this fatty acid are only some types of fish which also contain heavy metals. Linseeds on other hand contain even 6 times more Omega 3, it takes only teaspoon per day of grinded seeds for an adult to meet daily norm. Although if you do not want to give up meat I would encourage at least consume animals with primitive nervous system such as bugs or shell food.

    Too much of protein can be also harmful. Meat comsumption is also not healthy, especially red meat and farm animal meat which is riddled with toxins, harmful saturated fats and cholesterol. Even in this show in Season 5 episode 2 it is claimed that eating bacon increases 20% chance of death. High meat diet was proven to cause many diseases such as heart and vessel problems, cancer diabetes, atherosclerosis, obesity, nonalcoholic fatty liver and early mortality. The WHO findings put processed meats in the same category of cancer risk as cigarettes and asbestos. Of all meat pork is worst, pig is dirty animal which is prohibited not only in islam but also in Bible not without reason, swine eats even own feces, urine, decaying food, pork contains parasitic worms, eggs and cysts.
    That‘s why doctors and dieticians encourage to eat as much as possible vegetables and fruits. Of course there are doctors who support high meat diet but there also doctors who like to smoke and drink a lot, there might be even meat industry lobbying since it‘s so profitable.
    There is also popularised deception that human ancestors were badass hunters but in reality their diet was more vegetarian. Hunting is very dangerous activity especially on big animals such as mammoths, you have to agree that picking fruits is much simpler way to survive.
    There is a lot of BS in "Through the Wormhole“ season 4 and episode 4 people are picturing plants as having intelligence and mind as animals. In later episode it is claimed that even ocean might have consciousness. For even simple mind you need to have lots of neurons, but plants do not have brains.
    So people real environmentalism and changes for better world start in your plates. There so much things to write but not to make this post bigger please just watch movie called „Earthlings“ and do some research.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon View Post
    After watching all seasons of "Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman" I found it to be not so boring for science oriented show but I found things I didn‘t like about show.
    I find many shows boring, like Forks over Knives. Personally, I prefer Cosmos and Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking.

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    That‘s why doctors and dieticians encourage to as much as possible vegetables and fruits. Of course there are doctors who support high meat diet but there also doctors who like to smoke and drink a lot, there might be even meat industry lobbying since it‘s so profitable.
    That's a faulty comparison, since that yes their are undoubtedly doctors who personally like to smoke and drink a lot, however no licensed doctor would ever advocate smoking and drinking as a healthy activity for their patients. And oh yes the meat illuminati are buying off doctors.

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    There is also popularised deception that human ancestors were badass hunters but in reality their diet was more vegetarian. Hunting is very dangerous activity especially on big animals such as mammoths, you have to agree that picking fruits is much simpler way to survive.
    Picking fruits is simpler and safer, but the mammoth presents a bigger immediate payoff. Also I'm sure the hunt provided many good stories for around the fire back in those days. No one wants to hear about your day picking berries.

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    There is a lot of BS in "Through the Wormhole“ season 4 and episode 4 people are picturing plants as having intelligence and mind as animals. In later episode it is claimed that even ocean might have consciousness. For even simple mind you need to have lots of neurons, but plants do not have brains.
    There's a lot of BS in most shows. And while plants do not have a brain, they can feel themselves being eaten while alive.

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    So people real environmentalism and changes for better world start in your plates. There so much things to write but not to make this post bigger please just watch movie called „Earthlings“ and do some research.
    While I do agree that we need to focus less on meat, at least in the United States, veganism is not the answer. In fact veganism may be more damaging to the environment than initially thought: Going Vegan Isn't the Most Sustainable Option for Humanity ? NOVA Next | PBS and more recently Is a vegetarian diet really better for the environment? - CNN


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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
    That's a faulty comparison, since that yes their are undoubtedly doctors who personally like to smoke and drink a lot, however no licensed doctor would ever advocate smoking and drinking as a healthy activity for their patients. And oh yes the meat illuminati are buying off doctors. [IMG]file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
    Even licensed doctor might have bias and opinion, he might write peer revieved papers one thing and say other in interview or show. There are doctors who actually say that alcohol or foods prooven to be unhealthy aren‘t so bad. Lobying and using authorities for profit does happen. For example there were in America ads with doctor promoting smoking tobacco as healthy thing.
    But I‘m happy to see more more people are realising benefits of choosing more plant based diet. Even consuming low amount of animal products is great achievement.

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    Picking fruits is simpler and safer, but the mammoth presents a bigger immediate payoff. Also I'm sure the hunt provided many good stories for around the fire back in those days. No one wants to hear about your day picking berries.
    Simple and safe ways to gather food is better than getting risk of being killed. Good stories of killing animals? Maybe you can also justify manhunt, crimes and bloody wars as good stories. It‘s barbaric, wise civilisations enjoy arts, mythology, sciences and philosophy while primitives have bloodthirst, violence and slavery.

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    There's a lot of BS in most shows. And while plants do not have a brain, they
    There are mechanisms in plants for selfdefence but they do not feel like higher mammals can, they do not feel conscious pain, fear and so on.


    While I do agree that we need to focus less on meat, at least in the United States, veganism is not the answer. In fact veganism may be more damaging to the environment than initially thought [/QUOTE]
    Well I have to agree that there problems with agriculture also such as land degradation, cutting down of forests. Monoculture is not as hood permaculture. But still animal farming makes things much worse because it‘s so much resource consuming. Methane produced by livestock does have strong effect on global warming, beef alone has more effect than cars.

    Rapid human overpopulation and industrialisation just magnifies problems because Earth does have limits it can support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon View Post
    Even licensed doctor might have bias and opinion, he might write peer revieved papers one thing and say other in interview or show. There are doctors who actually say that alcohol or foods prooven to be unhealthy aren‘t so bad. Lobying and using authorities for profit does happen. For example there were in America ads with doctor promoting smoking tobacco as healthy thing.
    But I‘m happy to see more more people are realising benefits of choosing more plant based diet. Even consuming low amount of animal products is great achievement.
    Maybe back in the 1950s did doctors promoted smoking, but not within the last thirty years. They'd lose their medical license in a heartbeat for that now. As for alcohol there have been studies that show certain types in moderation are beneficial. But that's different than saying getting sloppy drunk is healthy. Anything will harm or kill you at certain levels, even water.


    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon View Post
    Simple and safe ways to gather food is better than getting risk of being killed. Good stories of killing animals? Maybe you can also justify manhunt, crimes and bloody wars as good stories. It‘s barbaric, wise civilisations enjoy arts, mythology, sciences and philosophy while primitives have bloodthirst, violence and slavery.
    I was being snarky. Paleolithic people that hunted mammoths and other megafauna were barbaric, and were not organized into what we would call a civilization. The birth of civilization wasn't until later (think Mesopotamia). Also I would argue that an appreciation for arts, mythology, sciences, and philosophy do not necessitate a dislike for violence/slavery/etc. Look at the many of the "enlightened" civilizations that have existed, the Romans for instance had high appreciation for cultured things like art, but at the same time enjoyed watching people die in arenas. Anyways, that's off topic, Paleolithic people hunted animals for more than just food. They used the animals they killed for clothing, heating (burning fats), tools, weapons, and even shelters. They truly used every part of the animal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon View Post
    Well I have to agree that there problems with agriculture also such as land degradation, cutting down of forests. Monoculture is not as hood permaculture. But still animal farming makes things much worse because it‘s so much resource consuming. Methane produced by livestock does have strong effect on global warming, beef alone has more effect than cars.

    Rapid human overpopulation and industrialisation just magnifies problems because Earth does have limits it can support.
    You seem to be forgetting that there are areas of land that are not suitable for agriculture, but are sufficient to raise animals for meat on. So to make the most out of land resources eating both meat and plants makes the most sense.

    Look, all in all I totally agree that the US at the very least is way too focused on eating meat. Animal farming does use a lot of resources, and create a lot of waste product. Overall with meals, Americans view the meat part of the meal as the focus, with the other components being secondary. The idea seems that meat should be 3/4 of the meal with the rest basically being sides. Compare that to most classic Asian meals where vegetables are 3:1 to meat. They also use rice or noodles to make the meal more filling. This to me seems to be more of an ideal.
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