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    Hello all,
    I think its time another Renaissance should come. The world is thinking less and less as focus shifts towards ones personal future, and not the benefit of mankind as a whole. It's time for change, to support thought over the arts and sciences rather than the future. I implore you all to support this, spread it, force people to question and get motivated to be great in your lifetime. A mans lifetime should improve society, not just the self.
    Please spread it. The Next Renaissance needs to come.


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    out of curiosity, how exactly do you feel the world is thinking less and less?

    Why do you feel that though should NOT be towards science? or towards art?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    out of curiosity, how exactly do you feel the world is thinking less and less?

    Why do you feel that though should NOT be towards science? or towards art?
    I think you misunderstood, I want people to think about science and art, but from what I've seen, most people are worried about how much money they have, planning for retirement, or kids. High school matters for college. College matters for a job. A job matters for retirement. There is, from my experience, little investment in thinking about how to improve the world NOW
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    Can you give examples where,in your view resources are being invested in the present rather the future? (if I have correctly paraphrased your post)
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    And what other the personal opinion support the suggestion that science and art are not being invested in?
    If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -Thorin Oakenshield

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    Resources at a country level for instance, the U.S. invests many times more in military than scientific research. Investments in art are often done as a hobby more than an actual career, and the sciences only occur when money is given to people. Einstein was pretty poor when he published his papers, but people act as if you need large scale projects to be a theoretical genius. From personal experience I see my school invested wholly in grades, and not the idea of learning something so as to make a contribution to the world
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    That is the prevailing view;projects need to justify themselves by attracting monetary investment and that their intrinsic worth counts for little.
    There is the saying "the customer is always right" whether or not the "customer" is of good character or bad character.

    Sometimes ,when there is class prejudice an establishment can be tempted to refuse entry to a potential customer if he (normally a "he" I would guess ) is considered somehow dubious. Eventually money will find a way in.
    Trump might be an example of someone whose money has not bought him acceptance into society and we are all paying for his stunted ambition now as he casts a round for anyone who will love him.

    "Capitalism" is the most successful ideology we have had and it will take some kind of a disaster for it to go into the dustbin of history. All is very much uncertain now of course and great changes are ahead of us which we can only hope will be for the good.

    Don't forget ,great art is often said to come out from great misfortune rather than the mundane happiness of well ordered lives.

    We should hope to live in uninteresting times but no longer have that option ,by the looks of things.

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    All I ask is dont focus on what's ahead of you, do what you can do for humanity. Even in a capitalistic society.
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    Thing is Everyone has a different view of what is best and what route things should go. so where is it any different from now?
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    A most confusing OP. I don't happen to think persuing science and art are best for long tern society, because lets face it most folks aren't very capable of it.

    The renaissance I'd like to see is a truly ecologically concerned generation--one of actions and follow through. And I don't mean the ecological friendliness of the past, which was mostly due to poverty, or the mostly symbolic one of today complaining about plastic grocery bags while rushing out to buy the newest model gadget. And yes such a generation would actually vote, rather than just bitch about things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frumpydolphin View Post
    All I ask is dont focus on what's ahead of you, do what you can do for humanity. Even in a capitalistic society.
    Even? Capitalist societies seem to have been more successful than others at improving the lot of humanity.

    But I agree that thanks to the modern media and the internet, we seem to live now in The Stupid Society. What we need is to rediscover the values of articulate debate, informed criticism and respect for facts. How this will be brought about I confess I am not sure. I hope it does not take a war, to make us all grow up once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    A most confusing OP. I don't happen to think persuing science and art are best for long tern society, because lets face it most folks aren't very capable of it.

    The renaissance I'd like to see is a truly ecologically concerned generation
    --one of actions and follow through. And I don't mean the ecological friendliness of the past, which was mostly due to poverty, or the mostly symbolic one of today complaining about plastic grocery bags while rushing out to buy the newest model gadget. And yes such a generation would actually vote, rather than just bitch about things.
    Yes,it is the issue if our time (and beyond probably).And ,to address the OP it seems to encompass the Now and the future.

    Sadly this is minority view.

    Hopefully this may not matter and ,as LBJ had it ,when you have them by the balls the hearts and mind will follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frumpydolphin View Post
    All I ask is dont focus on what's ahead of you, do what you can do for humanity.
    and you've said similar in other posts. How are planning for the future, and acting for humanity, incompatible?
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