Notices
Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Off topic discussion from method of measuring religion

  1. #1 Off topic discussion from method of measuring religion 
    Forum Professor astromark's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    1,014
    Argumentative post deleted by moderator. Get back to discussing the subject.


    Last edited by Harold14370; September 10th, 2014 at 02:07 AM. Reason: Argumentative, off topic.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2.  
     

  3. #2  
    Forum Professor astromark's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    1,014
    Oh dear me.. so I try again,. So to the subject at hand.. Methods of measuring religion, or was that better understood as,
    ~ 'How can we gauge the public opinion of religions'. Can we try and be scientific when we revue what is belief and faith based..
    I think we can. I do not much like for the apparent single minded blind faith.. but there is a lot of it about.. Not here thankfully.
    Can we or I, apply a scientific questioning of religious belief.. The why do they. The why is science the enemy ?
    As a society we are heading for trouble when we turn away from the doctrines of scientific revue. Can I find agreement ?
    From this scientific revue process can we find the strength to really question what our future might be..
    I am talking of education again as I see it as being undermined and weakened by religious zealots..
    I make a demand that is hollow and has no agenda other than to inform.
    The atheist within me screams at the religious fundamentalists to back away from our children.. Let them be informed to make the descisions of religious belief only when they are well equipped to do so.
    Information, education, and science. If a belief can not stand aside a scientific revue then it does not get air.. fair ?


    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #3  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Posts
    8,822
    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    Can we or I, apply a scientific questioning of religious belief..
    This is NOT the topic under discussion. You have a one track mind.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #4  
    Forum Professor astromark's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    1,014
    Do you measure the strengths of religions buy capturing the number of attendances at churches ?

    ~ And I find it offencive to be called as a one track mind.. When the truth is my mind is rushing off in several directions most of the time.. and that it will take greater minds than his to stop or even control that.. Pfft Lol I would wager many of us have this affliction...
    Last edited by astromark; September 11th, 2014 at 01:52 AM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #5  
    Forum Masters Degree pavlos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    liverpool
    Posts
    715
    Quote Originally Posted by ReligionOfTheSemites View Post
    What are some methods in which religion can be measured from a scientific point of view? Psychological methods like freelisting and questionnaires seem to be a good way but I'd like to know what you all think.
    How do you measure religion. You don't!

    You may be able to measure Religious commitment, but even then the only person who can measure it is the adherent himself. Religious commitment wouldn't be quantifiable.

    There was a study were they compared religion to health, but they hadn't got an adequate measure of religiousness and spirituality. But carried out the study anyway.
    There is a word doc here in the form of a questionnaire, by I doubt that would help you in your quest.
    You may be able to measure religious indenties, But it is not an adequate test of measurement.

    You will be hard pushed to find a way of measuring religion, but you still may be able postulate a hypothesis.

    Using cognitive science of religion is only going take you back to religious commitment.
    Using psychology of religion can only teach you about the mental framework in regard to the tradition of religiousness, it cannot be an adequate measure.
    And using the anthropology of religion helps you study religious institutions. but is not a measure of religion. just it's institutions. But if that is what you want for your hypothesis, then all power to your elbow.
    You can quantify methods of measure, in there millions. but unfortunately you will never obtain an accurate measure. But isn't that just like everything else?
    Last edited by pavlos; September 11th, 2014 at 03:47 AM. Reason: missing "be"
    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #6  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    4,138
    As Christians maybe we could test our ability to walk on water? Or feed a crowd on very little? We could test the atheists in the deep end of the pool!
    [This thread is getting far too serious.]
    You could test out whether there was any effect from an a healing prayer. [Now that is something I'd like to know.]
    Would the result be proportional to some aspect of religiousness? [I think that should have a major bearing on the result, if what we are told is right.]
    Last edited by Robittybob1; September 11th, 2014 at 03:00 AM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #7  
    ox
    ox is offline
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    876
    One question that concerns me about atheism. How do we atheists prepare for the promised hellfire?
    But I guess this could be more of a way of measuring atheism rather than religion. I am told that if I am not a muslim then I am certain of the fire and even my muslim girlfriend is worried for me. At present I am not worried, but when death approaches then I could be. Then the way of measuring religion could lie in the fear factor. I had a relative who had no interest in religion suddenly wake up to this prospect when he fell terminally ill.
    Now is this superstition or does it have a reality? I am going to be cremated for sure. I don't understand why anyone would not want to be. The worms get us all whether we are buried or cremated, and either way we will not know anything about it.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #8  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    89
    Quote Originally Posted by pavlos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ReligionOfTheSemites View Post
    What are some methods in which religion can be measured from a scientific point of view? Psychological methods like freelisting and questionnaires seem to be a good way but I'd like to know what you all think.
    How do you measure religion. You don't!

    You may be able to measure Religious commitment, but even then the only person who can measure it is the adherent himself. Religious commitment wouldn't be quantifiable.

    There was a study were they compared religion to health, but they hadn't got an adequate measure of religiousness and spirituality. But carried out the study anyway.
    There is a word doc here in the form of a questionnaire, by I doubt that would help you in your quest.
    You may be able to measure religious indenties, But it is not an adequate test of measurement.

    You will be hard pushed to find a way of measuring religion, but you still may be able postulate a hypothesis.

    Using cognitive science of religion is only going take you back to religious commitment.
    Using psychology of religion can only teach you about the mental framework in regard to the tradition of religiousness, it cannot be an adequate measure.
    And using the anthropology of religion helps you study religious institutions. but is not a measure of religion. just it's institutions. But if that is what you want for your hypothesis, then all power to your elbow.
    You can quantify methods of measure, in there millions. but unfortunately you will never obtain an accurate measure. But isn't that just like everything else?
    Do you know anything about anthropology? Psychology? Cognitive science? It sounds, to me, like someone who clearly has no idea what he's talking about here. As the moderator stated before, if you are just going to sit here and gabble on about how science cannot measure religion in the "Scientific Study of Religion" section of this website, then you don't have to reply. Why are you even responding if you clearly have no idea how anthropology, psychology and cognitive science works? Pretending to understand things that you don't is a dangerous way of thinking. There are literally hundreds of scientists with PhD's who all spend their entire lives studying religion from a scientific point of view and if you took your head out of the sand, you could actually learn about it. You talking about "quantify(ing) methods of measure" shows just how little you understand about any type of research methods used by scientists. So, do yourself a favor, save the embarrassment and just stop responding on this topic.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #9  
    ox
    ox is offline
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    876
    Judging by previous posts from pavlos I think (s)he knows a great deal about religion.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #10  
    Forum Masters Degree pavlos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    liverpool
    Posts
    715
    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Judging by previous posts from pavlos I think (s)he knows a great deal about religion.
    Thank you, however we should let the child have his rant.
    And i am a he by the way. I actually love it when people who know absolute nothing about you. Try to shout you down. It says more about them, doesn't it, I am guilty of a little sarcasm from time to time. mainly due to the jaw dropping, flabbergasting statements some people make. However in this case we are dealing with the cocksure nature of the adolescent.

    The trouble is I took what he had said in the OP and applied it to the three main things he is using, and even supplied links. And instead of a possible sensible rebuttal I got a rant. Kind of says it all.
    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #11  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    89
    Quote Originally Posted by pavlos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Judging by previous posts from pavlos I think (s)he knows a great deal about religion.
    Thank you, however we should let the child have his rant.
    And i am a he by the way. I actually love it when people who know absolute nothing about you. Try to shout you down. It says more about them, doesn't it, I am guilty of a little sarcasm from time to time. mainly due to the jaw dropping, flabbergasting statements some people make. However in this case we are dealing with the cocksure nature of the adolescent.

    The trouble is I took what he had said in the OP and applied it to the three main things he is using, and even supplied links. And instead of a possible sensible rebuttal I got a rant. Kind of says it all.
    Isn't it funny how this works? The one mindlessly spouting nonsense is the same one who pretends to be the more logical one. You're right, I don't know anything about you except for the fact you aren't trained in science...are you going to pretend you are?

    Nobody is on your side here and your ignorance of this subject is very clear. It's great that you linked a few random things off of the top of the Google search and then didn't even read more than a few sentences of but I was hoping to get advise from people who actually understand what they are talking about instead of mindlessly linking random things that I could have found myself. I have probably around 1000 peer reviewed papers on my computer.

    The original post was asking from similarly minded people, different ways of measuring religion but instead has been dwindled down to a debate of ignorance. So pretty please with a cherry on top...stop posting. Nobody agrees with you or cares about what you post. You're just being a condescending troll.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #12  
    ▼▼ dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ ▼▼ RedPanda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    2,737
    Quote Originally Posted by ReligionOfTheSemites View Post
    Nobody is on your side here...

    Nobody agrees with you or cares about what you post.
    Judging from ox's post, that is clearly not true.
    And even without ox's post, you still couldn't know if that was true or not.

    Perhaps you should stop trolling.
    SayBigWords.com/say/3FC

    "And, behold, I come quickly;" Revelation 22:12

    "Religions are like sausages. When you know how they are made, you no longer want them."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #13  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Posts
    8,822
    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    Do you measure the strengths of religions buy capturing the number of attendances at churches ?

    ~ And I find it offencive to be called as a one track mind.....
    Too bad. There are other ways to discuss religion other than to shout from the rooftops that you are an atheist. You can't seem to find any.
    Quote Originally Posted by "pavlos"
    How do you measure religion. You don't!
    Then stop posting in the Scientific Study of Religion forum. How many times do you need to be told?
    Quote Originally Posted by ox
    One question that concerns me about atheism. How do we atheists prepare for the promised hellfire?
    That's a theological question. Keep this type of discussion out of the Scientific Study of Religion forum.
    Thank you, however we should let the child have his rant.
    How many times do I have to ask you to stop trolling?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #14  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    89
    Thanks Mod!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #15  
    Forum Professor astromark's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    1,014
    ~ Unfair..~
    Reply With Quote  
     

Similar Threads

  1. Methods of measuring religion?
    By ReligionOfTheSemites in forum Scientific Study of Religion
    Replies: 101
    Last Post: September 16th, 2014, 07:22 AM
  2. Off topic discussion from biology
    By Zwolver in forum Philosophy
    Replies: 47
    Last Post: May 22nd, 2012, 03:07 AM
  3. A new topic on the General Discussion forum
    By kowalskil in forum Politics
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: September 11th, 2010, 10:17 PM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: September 7th, 2010, 06:16 PM
  5. Off topic on religion
    By Ezra in forum Scientific Study of Religion
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: January 16th, 2007, 01:14 PM
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •