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    he St. Louis Archbishop embroiled in a sexual abuse scandal testified last month that he didnt know in the 1980s whether it was illegal for priests to have sex with children, according to a court deposition released Monday.

    Archbishop Robert Carlson, who was chancellor of the Archdiocese of Minneapolis and St. Paul at the time, was deposed as part of a lawsuit against the Twin Cities archdiocese and the Diocese of Winona, Minnesota.

    In a video released by the St. Paul law firm Jeff Anderson & Associates, the Catholic archbishop is asked whether he had known it was a crime for an adult to engage in sex with a child.

    Im not sure whether I knew it was a crime or not, Carlson responded. I understand today its a crime.

    When asked when he first realized it was a crime for an adult including priests to have sex with a child, Carlson, 69, shook his head.

    I dont remember, he testified.


    I do not understand why anyone would support a church that does nothing to its priests that molest children. It seems every month theres another child molester that comes from the Catholic church and this should not be tolerated but it seems the church membership doesn't care what happens to their children and continue to support their church.


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    The Roman Catholic Church has become a cabal of pedophiles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    “I’m not sure whether I knew it was a crime or not,” Carlson responded. “I understand today it’s a crime.”
    What's the context here? Is he talking about a 17 year old having sex with an 18 year old, or a 50 year old priest having sex with a 10 year old?
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    ~ A frightening indictment upon the church. Yet still some protection of known criminal intent is witnessed.. and I would not single out any one church. It would seem that the celibate rule of the faiths has damaged the sick minds of many men.. The fall of credibility falls on those who protect the weak sick minds is a no win road for the instertutions of these churches.. I spiral of self destruction is to ensue surely. That the morality of the community will expose as fraudulent, those doctrines I trust, and hope. Another nail in the coffin of religion.
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    “I’m not sure whether I knew it was a crime or not,” Carlson responded. “I understand today it’s a crime.”
    What's the context here? Is he talking about a 17 year old having sex with an 18 year old, or a 50 year old priest having sex with a 10 year old?
    A 40 year old priest having sex with 10 year old boys.
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    Astro, you and I think alike on this one.<br><br>The Catholic Church has been doing it for years.<br><br>They should never stopped letting priests marry.<br><br>
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    It's still legal to lynch paedophiles, right? After all, I've not heard that it isn't...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    It's still legal to lynch paedophiles, right? After all, I've not heard that it isn't...
    Not in the USA. The UK...I don't know........but they should....it's hell of a lot cheaper than the needle
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    This thread needs lightening up, of course kids should be protected but the hysterical media scaremongering in recent times (at least in the UK) is a bloody joke. This show was the response of Chris Morris to the paedophile witch hunts and press hysteria in the UK, he got into a lot of trouble but honestly if you'd seen some of the headlines at the time they were bloody ridiculous and he rightly poked fun at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    This thread needs lightening up, of course kids should be protected but the hysterical media scaremongering in recent times (at least in the UK) is a bloody joke. This show was the response of Chris Morris to the paedophile witch hunts and press hysteria in the UK, he got into a lot of trouble but honestly if you'd seen some of the headlines at the time they were bloody ridiculous and he rightly poked fun at it.

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    This is the only thread containing factual information about what is happening to children. There isn't another thread that has been posted in over 2 months about this problem. Now you want to "lighten up" the facts about what is happening to children around the world, why is that, does it hit a nerve with you?
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    I'm all for protecting kids and punishing the guilty but this knee jerk "the church is full of paedophiles" bullshit winds me up. Kids are abused by scout leaders, teachers, parents, family friends etc. not just priests but bashing the church is an easy bandwagon to jump on isn't it?

    It hits a nerve because I have seen it from the other side. A very good friend of mine (who happened to be a priest) was accused. If you'd knew the man (I knew him very well) you would see how unlilkely the allegation was. The alleged abuse happened in the '70s but the victim waited 30 years until the guy had some prominence in the church before making his accusation. Any trial would be based on the accusers word against his, there was no other evidence. Innocent until proven guilty went right out of the window, he knew his life as he knew it was over, even if he was cleared shit sticks. He ended up killing himself over it in despair. The church lost a good priest and I lost a good friend, I tried to lighten it up because if you can't laugh what can you do?

    This is the nerve it hit, if you don't like it tough. I think I'd better bow out of this thread before I say something that gets me banned.
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    The Catholic church today helps their priests by moving them to a new church and not telling the congregation about their pedophila. The church also pays off parents to avoid any criminal charges to be pursued against priests which is interesting for all other pedophiles are put in jail. While you are absolutely correct that many other organizations have pedophiles within them it is the Catholic church that protects them no matter what the expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I'm all for protecting kids and punishing the guilty but this knee jerk "the church is full of paedophiles" bullshit winds me up. Kids are abused by scout leaders, teachers, parents, family friends etc. not just priests but bashing the church is an easy bandwagon to jump on isn't it?

    It hits a nerve because I have seen it from the other side. A very good friend of mine (who happened to be a priest) was accused. If you'd knew the man (I knew him very well) you would see how unlilkely the allegation was. The alleged abuse happened in the '70s but the victim waited 30 years until the guy had some prominence in the church before making his accusation. Any trial would be based on the accusers word against his, there was no other evidence. Innocent until proven guilty went right out of the window, he knew his life as he knew it was over, even if he was cleared shit sticks. He ended up killing himself over it in despair. The church lost a good priest and I lost a good friend, I tried to lighten it up because if you can't laugh what can you do?

    This is the nerve it hit, if you don't like it tough. I think I'd better bow out of this thread before I say something that gets me banned.
    I am sorry for the loss of your friend. There are thousands of cases across the global of the Catholic Church cover-ups. When the leadership of an organization, this includes the past pope, knowing moves these child predators from location to location it is systemic issue of the entire enterprise. Cardinal Law of Boston was flown out of country to avoid prosecution from the State of Massachusetts.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Im not sure whether I knew [whether an adult engaging in sex with a child] was a crime or not, [Archbishop Robert] Carlson responded.
    First of all, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    Second, depending on the laws in his state at that time, clergy may have fallen under the category of a "reporter" that is, someone obliged by law to report any known or suspected child abuse to the appropriate authorities. "Reporters" typically include people in education (teachers, teacher's aides, principals, school counselors, security guards, etc), people in religion (ministers, priests, nuns, pastors, etc), people in healthcare (doctors, nurses, counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists, medical staff, etc), people in justice system (police, prosecutors, attorneys, guardians ad litems, foster parents, judges, court officials, etc), etc.

    Third, this is such common knowledge that it begs the question: What color is the sky in his world?

    What the archbishop seems to want to squirm his way out of is the legal responsibility of respondeat superior.
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    Sir Demon, I am sorry for your loss.

    I think the reason, IMHO, that priests are more in the news, is because they are part of a church and that the church hid it.

    It happens in all walks of life, as you pointed out.

    I am VERY sorry for your loss of your friend. BIG HUGS!
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    Instead of working with the police to put these pedophiles into prison the church turns a blind eye to the problem or hides it away somewhere. Again I do not understand why any religion would want to help pedophiles unless the church is run by pedophiles or people who enjoy seeing children molested. Something is very very wrong with the church and why the congregation just lets it go on seems to be very confusing to me for a good religious person wouldn't want children molested at all and would do something to stop it from going on. There's no outcry from the church's congregation to get rid of these pedophiles but instead give them new homes to molest other children.
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    I think it's the same psychology that thought Doctors never needed to wash their hands because "A gentleman's hands are never dirty". Priests are servants of their Gods and so the thought that they can be anything less than "pure" is ignored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I do not understand why any religion would want to help pedophiles unless the church is run by pedophiles
    Yes, and the Vatican refuses to claim any responsibility. Yet if every McDonald's franchise added a particular adulterant to their foods, it would be pretty hard to believe they all did so independently of one another and that corporate McDonald's had no part in such widespread practices.

    Besides, Massachusetts wants Bernard Law back for some serious questioning, but the Pope transferred him to Rome, where he has been ever since. It's convenient for the Vatican to claim a "hands off" policy when accused of responsibility, but it's also convenient for the Vatican to be able to reach down and make things happen to avoid the exposure of responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
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    I do not understand why any religion would want to help pedophiles unless the church is run by pedophiles
    Yes, and the Vatican refuses to claim any responsibility. Yet if every McDonald's franchise added a particular adulterant to their foods, it would be pretty hard to believe they all did so independently of one another and that corporate McDonald's had no part in such widespread practices.

    Besides, Massachusetts wants Bernard Law back for some serious questioning, but the Pope transferred him to Rome, where he has been ever since. It's convenient for the Vatican to claim a "hands off" policy when accused of responsibility, but it's also convenient for the Vatican to be able to reach down and make things happen to avoid the exposure of responsibility.
    The problem is that the Vatican does hear about everything that goes on and gives money to those parents who were affected. Owners of fast food places don't have to report anything to the higher ups if they run into problems at their establishments. So the Vatican moves the pedophile priests around never telling anyone where they are and pay off parents that were affected by those pedophile priests. Many times the police are called but the Vatican just pays them off too, a nice way to keep everyone happy and the priests that were caught get to do it over again in their new church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    It's still legal to lynch paedophiles, right? After all, I've not heard that it isn't...
    Everything is legal these days, the homosexuals says they are legal, the pedophiles are in denial, the priests don't know what is legal from illegal, it looks like a strait road to hell. Where is god to straiten things out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
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    I do not understand why any religion would want to help pedophiles unless the church is run by pedophiles
    Yes, and the Vatican refuses to claim any responsibility. Yet if every McDonald's franchise added a particular adulterant to their foods, it would be pretty hard to believe they all did so independently of one another and that corporate McDonald's had no part in such widespread practices.

    Besides, Massachusetts wants Bernard Law back for some serious questioning, but the Pope transferred him to Rome, where he has been ever since. It's convenient for the Vatican to claim a "hands off" policy when accused of responsibility, but it's also convenient for the Vatican to be able to reach down and make things happen to avoid the exposure of responsibility.
    The problem is that the Vatican does hear about everything that goes on and gives money to those parents who were affected. Owners of fast food places don't have to report anything to the higher ups if they run into problems at their establishments. So the Vatican moves the pedophile priests around never telling anyone where they are and pay off parents that were affected by those pedophile priests. Many times the police are called but the Vatican just pays them off too, a nice way to keep everyone happy and the priests that were caught get to do it over again in their new church.
    Homosexuals say they are born that way, what about the pedophiles? are they also born that way? Are the priest sexing their own children? Where do we stop this?
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    Did... did you just equate homosexuality wih paedophilia?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    It's still legal to lynch paedophiles, right? After all, I've not heard that it isn't...
    Everything is legal these days, the homosexuals says they are legal, the pedophiles are in denial, the priests don't know what is legal from illegal, it looks like a strait road to hell. Where is god to straiten things out?
    Pedophiles usually go after younger children where homosexuals go after boys there own age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Did... did you just equate homosexuality wih paedophilia?!

    I think member Stargate wants to know whether or not pedophilia is, as in the case with homosexuality, caused by a combination of biological and environmental factors and whether or not pedophiles tend to abuse children of the same gender.

    The answer on both questions is 'no'. Pedophilia is classified as a sexual disorder (according to the MeSH) and it has been correlated to some neurological parameters (e.g. IQ). There is no evidence (as far as I could find after skimming Wikipedia) that male pedophiles tend to abuse boys, nor that homosexuals are more inclined to become pedophiles, nor that homosexuality has the same causes as pedophilia (as homosexuality is classified as 'sexual behavior').
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    First of all, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    If that were true then "Miranda" wouldn't need to be read.
    Sorry, not our fault you didn't know you had the right to remain silent...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Instead of working with the police to put these pedophiles into prison the church turns a blind eye to the problem or hides it away somewhere. Again I do not understand why any religion would want to help pedophiles unless the church is run by pedophiles or people who enjoy seeing children molested.
    Oh, come on! You know they hide it because they are trying to keep this air of perfection and like most morons, they think if they put their head in the sand and pretend not to see it the it didn't happen. They think that a few bad priests is a reflection on all of them, which is stupid. Although, I would say the rulers at the top doing nothing about a few bad priests is certainly a reflection on them.
    Also, There is no outcry from the new congregation because they don't know this new priest and the old congregation has no idea where the offending priest went... I suppose a web site could be set up "This religious figure head diddles children be on the look out for him" kinda like a Megan's Law type thing, ran by the flock... but I assume that would bring about a whole host of legal problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
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    I do not understand why any religion would want to help pedophiles unless the church is run by pedophiles
    Yes, and the Vatican refuses to claim any responsibility. Yet if every McDonald's franchise added a particular adulterant to their foods, it would be pretty hard to believe they all did so independently of one another and that corporate McDonald's had no part in such widespread practices.

    Besides, Massachusetts wants Bernard Law back for some serious questioning, but the Pope transferred him to Rome, where he has been ever since. It's convenient for the Vatican to claim a "hands off" policy when accused of responsibility, but it's also convenient for the Vatican to be able to reach down and make things happen to avoid the exposure of responsibility.
    The problem is that the Vatican does hear about everything that goes on and gives money to those parents who were affected.
    Damn, talk about adding insult to injury. "How much are your child's services worth?" <thumbs a wad of bills> What does that now make your child? Goodbye dignity, hello dead presidents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate
    Homosexuals say they are born that way, what about the pedophiles? are they also born that way? Are the priest sexing their own children? Where do we stop this?
    People should've just magically appeared wherever it is that you typed this asinine comment and just beat all the stupid out of you before you could ever post something as stupid again.

    Homosexuals=/=pedophiles.

    Moron!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
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    Homosexuals say they are born that way, what about the pedophiles? are they also born that way? Are the priest sexing their own children? Where do we stop this?
    People should've just magically appeared wherever it is that you typed this asinine comment and just beat all the stupid out of you before you could ever post something as stupid again.

    Homosexuals=/=pedophiles.

    Moron!!!!!
    yea, every day a new claim, tomorrow the priest will declare they are protected under some bogus law. who the !!!!!!!! protect the children. I do not think I am a moron, but you have your head in the sand. Tomorrow someone will claim they have a right to bestiality. is there someone to tell us what is normal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    First of all, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    Ignorance of the law is not a recognized defense. If a person is accused of having sex with a child, ignorance of the existence of the law prohibiting sex with children is not a defense. The defense will not prevail by claiming ignorance of the law. Otherwise, everyone would claim ignorance of the law, and most or all of them would be found not guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
    I suppose a web site could be set up "This religious figure head diddles children be on the look out for him" kinda like a Megan's Law type thing, ran by the flock... but I assume that would bring about a whole host of legal problems
    You mean something like the Database of Priests Accused of Sexual Abuse?
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    I do not understand why any religion would want to help pedophiles unless the church is run by pedophiles
    Yes, and the Vatican refuses to claim any responsibility. Yet if every McDonald's franchise added a particular adulterant to their foods, it would be pretty hard to believe they all did so independently of one another and that corporate McDonald's had no part in such widespread practices.

    Besides, Massachusetts wants Bernard Law back for some serious questioning, but the Pope transferred him to Rome, where he has been ever since. It's convenient for the Vatican to claim a "hands off" policy when accused of responsibility, but it's also convenient for the Vatican to be able to reach down and make things happen to avoid the exposure of responsibility.
    The problem is that the Vatican does hear about everything that goes on and gives money to those parents who were affected. Owners of fast food places don't have to report anything to the higher ups if they run into problems at their establishments. So the Vatican moves the pedophile priests around never telling anyone where they are and pay off parents that were affected by those pedophile priests. Many times the police are called but the Vatican just pays them off too, a nice way to keep everyone happy and the priests that were caught get to do it over again in their new church.
    Homosexuals say they are born that way, what about the pedophiles? are they also born that way? Are the priest sexing their own children? Where do we stop this?
    Did you compare homosexuality with pedophiles?

    You HAVE To be joking.

    They aren't remotely related.

    That is sick.
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    First of all, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    Ignorance of the law is not a recognized defense. If a person is accused of having sex with a child, ignorance of the existence of the law prohibiting sex with children is not a defense. The defense will not prevail by claiming ignorance of the law. Otherwise, everyone would claim ignorance of the law, and most or all of them would be found not guilty.
    Well said, and Daecon we are on the same page.
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    Stargate, homosexuality is normal. Hetersexuality is normal. Bi--sexuality is normal.

    Pedophilia is not normal.
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    I have just been reading of this case and have the want to strangle that idiot... but I will let the law deal with him..
    The anger I feel for Pedophilia is off scale.. It angers me to see that some group homosexuality traits as deviant.. NO.. being different is not wrong. Imposing your will on a youth or child is.. ' That this case is about a man who used as a claim of " I did not know ... " Is what is wrong with nut bar crazy religious zealots.. DO you need to be told that it is wrong.. are you completely insane, or just mad ?
    What a weak kneed pathetic excuse of a man..
    As a defense he fails, he fails to meet the standard required.. Remove this man from society.. now.
    I am confident justice will be done..
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    Homosexuals say they are born that way, what about the pedophiles? are they also born that way? Are the priest sexing their own children? Where do we stop this?
    People should've just magically appeared wherever it is that you typed this asinine comment and just beat all the stupid out of you before you could ever post something as stupid again. Homosexuals=/=pedophiles. Moron!!!!!
    yea, every day a new claim, tomorrow the priest will declare they are protected under some bogus law. who the !!!!!!!! protect the children. I do not think I am a moron, but you have your head in the sand. Tomorrow someone will claim they have a right to bestiality. is there someone to tell us what is normal?
    I find your existence offensive.
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    I have just been reading of this case and have the want to strangle that idiot... but I will let the law deal with him..
    The anger I feel for Pedophilia is off scale.. It angers me to see that some group homosexuality traits as deviant.. NO.. being different is not wrong. Imposing your will on a youth or child is.. ' That this case is about a man who used as a claim of " I did not know ... " Is what is wrong with nut bar crazy religious zealots.. DO you need to be told that it is wrong.. are you completely insane, or just mad ?
    What a weak kneed pathetic excuse of a man..
    As a defense he fails, he fails to meet the standard required.. Remove this man from society.. now.
    I am confident justice will be done..
    I feel the same thing about pedophilia!!!
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    First of all, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    Ignorance of the law is not a recognized defense. If a person is accused of having sex with a child, ignorance of the existence of the law prohibiting sex with children is not a defense. The defense will not prevail by claiming ignorance of the law. Otherwise, everyone would claim ignorance of the law, and most or all of them would be found not guilty.

    Would that excuse be valid if it turned out that the person has a below-average intelligence (e.g. IQ < 70) and does not comprehend his/her wrongdoing?
    Last edited by Cogito Ergo Sum; June 14th, 2014 at 09:14 AM. Reason: 70, not 75.
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    First of all, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    Ignorance of the law is not a recognized defense. If a person is accused of having sex with a child, ignorance of the existence of the law prohibiting sex with children is not a defense. The defense will not prevail by claiming ignorance of the law. Otherwise, everyone would claim ignorance of the law, and most or all of them would be found not guilty.

    Would that excuse be valid if it turned out that the person has a below-average intelligence (e.g. IQ < 75) and does not comprehend his/her wrongdoing?
    In my opinion?

    There are few that would not know that was wrong, in their mind. Simple people do know the difference.
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    I do not understand why any religion would want to help pedophiles unless the church is run by pedophiles
    Yes, and the Vatican refuses to claim any responsibility. Yet if every McDonald's franchise added a particular adulterant to their foods, it would be pretty hard to believe they all did so independently of one another and that corporate McDonald's had no part in such widespread practices.


    Besides, Massachusetts wants Bernard Law back for some serious questioning, but the Pope transferred him to Rome, where he has been ever since. It's convenient for the Vatican to claim a "hands off" policy when accused of responsibility, but it's also convenient for the Vatican to be able to reach down and make things happen to avoid the exposure of responsibility.
    The problem is that the Vatican does hear about everything that goes on and gives money to those parents who were affected. Owners of fast food places don't have to report anything to the higher ups if they run into problems at their establishments. So the Vatican moves the pedophile priests around never telling anyone where they are and pay off parents that were affected by those pedophile priests. Many times the police are called but the Vatican just pays them off too, a nice way to keep everyone happy and the priests that were caught get to do it over again in their new church.
    Homosexuals say they are born that way, what about the pedophiles? are they also born that way? Are the priest sexing their own children? Where do we stop this?
    Did you compare homosexuality with pedophiles?

    You HAVE To be joking.

    They aren't remotely related.

    That is sick.
    Sorry Babe, what do you expect me to say? I see what is happening to the children and this is done by grown people who are supposed to take care of our children. I am given all kind of excuses who is born with what and who is not responsible and all the other excuses, and you say I am sick? I need to question your motive.
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    If you can train a dog to know the difference between right and wrong, then a human has no excuse.
    Sorry Daecon, I think that is bull?
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    Homosexuals say they are born that way, what about the pedophiles? are they also born that way? Are the priest sexing their own children? Where do we stop this?
    People should've just magically appeared wherever it is that you typed this asinine comment and just beat all the stupid out of you before you could ever post something as stupid again. Homosexuals=/=pedophiles. Moron!!!!!
    yea, every day a new claim, tomorrow the priest will declare they are protected under some bogus law. who the !!!!!!!! protect the children. I do not think I am a moron, but you have your head in the sand. Tomorrow someone will claim they have a right to bestiality. is there someone to tell us what is normal?
    I find your existence offensive.
    I do not care what you find, I think this whole sick thinking is out of control. You find my existence offensive? what about the stupid priest? I think your mind is out of control to tell me this.
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    This has nothing to do with the priest, it has everything to do with you being a homophobic bigot. You think paedophilia is the same as homosexuality? How dare you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    If you can train a dog to know the difference between right and wrong, then a human has no excuse.

    That is not exactly what I meant.
    Suppose you have a person who has done sexual acts with children. As it is punishable by law, the person in question should be imprisoned.
    However, what if the individual has an IQ<70, could a lawyer argue for an insanity defense (as pedophilia is a sexual disorder)?
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    This has nothing to do with the priest, it has everything to do with you being a homophobic bigot. You think paedophilia is the same as homosexuality? How dare you!
    How dare you? I did not say it is the same I said it is sick thinking, everyone claiming something different and none of it is in the interest of our children. I am so fed up with the excuses and the torture to people. Why don't you go into a church and tell the powers that be that they are hurting our children instead of trying to cover it up by calling me names.

    If anyone is a bigot it is you. if you are a devoted homosexual express you indignation of a grown priest who is telling the rest of the world he did not know it was crime to abuse children. I think he should be set as an example to the critical thinking going on the Vatican. Sorry I am really so angry at the moment it is not conducive to sensible discussion.

    What you also need to understand unless you are a homosexual it has nothing to do with you but about the children we are supposed to protect, so wake up Daecon, I am not really angry at you, but on the stance you take.
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
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    If you can train a dog to know the difference between right and wrong, then a human has no excuse.

    That is not exactly what I meant.
    Suppose you have a person who has done sexual acts with children. As it is punishable by law, the person in question should be imprisoned.
    However, what if the individual has an IQ<70, could a lawyer argue for an insanity defense (as pedophilia is a sexual disorder)?
    If an hurricane passes your area, it does not care if you have one child or one million, it is going to blow everything away if you did not prepare. If you did not know that poison Ivy can kill you and you take it for what ever reason it will not spare you because you did not know? Gogito, we have to stop kicking the can down the road and take responsibility for our actions. This priest should be hung up as an example, but it seems he and the rest of the gang are getting tremendous support. The homosexuals are getting a bad rap not because of me, but because some people think it is linked although it might not be. Somethings are perceived to be, you have to know they are judged that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    If an hurricane passes your area, it does not care if you have one child or one million, it is going to blow everything away if you did not prepare. If you did not know that poison Ivy can kill you and you take it for what ever reason it will not spare you because you did not know? Gogito, we have to stop kicking the can down the road and take responsibility for our actions. This priest should be hung up as an example, but it seems he and the rest of the gang are getting tremendous support.

    I was not talking about the priest mentioned in the O.P., as it is clear that he has no below-average intelligence.

    Second, I am talking about those who do not have the intellectual capacity to understand that pedophilia is wrong.
    When someone is accused of, say, murder, the defense can argue for "not guilty by reason of insanity", if the defendant has a serious mental illness/disorder and if the perpetrator was unable to determine right from wrong, or that what he or she was doing was wrong.
    Intellectual disability can be a reason for pleading such a thing (cf. Science in court: Smart enough to die? : Nature News & Comment).

    As such, my question is, can this same 'not guilty by reason of insanity' also be applied to pedophilia, as it is recognized as an illness and can intellectual disability be used as a determining factor to gauge whether or not a pedophile should face imprisonment or admission into a psychiatric institution?

    The homosexuals are getting a bad rap not because of me, but because some people think it is linked although it might not be. Somethings are perceived to be, you have to know they are judged that way.

    You were to first to mention them in post #22. You have no one to blame but yourself to blame for receiving emotional responses.
    And I stated in post #28 clearly that "[t]here is no evidence (...) that male pedophiles tend to abuse boys, nor that homosexuals are more inclined to become pedophiles (...)".
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children, grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent. I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
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    If an hurricane passes your area, it does not care if you have one child or one million, it is going to blow everything away if you did not prepare. If you did not know that poison Ivy can kill you and you take it for what ever reason it will not spare you because you did not know? Gogito, we have to stop kicking the can down the road and take responsibility for our actions. This priest should be hung up as an example, but it seems he and the rest of the gang are getting tremendous support.


    I was not talking about the priest mentioned in the O.P., as it is clear that he has no below-average intelligence.

    Second, I am talking about those who do not have the intellectual capacity to understand that pedophilia is wrong.
    When someone is accused of, say, murder, the defense can argue for "not guilty by reason of insanity", if the defendant has a serious mental illness/disorder and if the perpetrator was unable to determine right from wrong, or that what he or she was doing was wrong.
    Intellectual disability can be a reason for pleading such a thing (cf. Science in court: Smart enough to die? : Nature News & Comment).

    As such, my question is, can this same 'not guilty by reason of insanity' also be applied to pedophilia, as it is recognized as an illness and can intellectual disability be used as a determining factor to gauge whether or not a pedophile should face imprisonment or admission into a psychiatric institution?

    The homosexuals are getting a bad rap not because of me, but because some people think it is linked although it might not be. Somethings are perceived to be, you have to know they are judged that way.

    You were to first to mention them in post #23. You have no one to blame but yourself to blame for receiving emotional responses.
    And I stated in post #28 clearly that "[t]here is no evidence (...) that male pedophiles tend to abuse boys, nor that homosexuals are more inclined to become pedophiles (...)".
    As you know most things that the media do not want people to know are wrapped in special words to divert attention away from the truth. If someone is killed and the person who has done the killing is not well, I feel sympathy and all the emotions that goes with the illness, however, I cannot excuse that the life of someone was snuffed out by this person. nature makes no such distinctions, it does not owe and it does not borrow. Life promises you nothing because there is nothing to promise. Sometimes we argue because we think we are educated, but education can also be an obstacle, it depends on what type of education one receives.
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children, grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent. I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.
    That still doesn't explain what homosexuality has to do with children. All you're doing is saying random crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children, grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent. I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.
    That still doesn't explain what homosexuality has to do with children. All you're doing is saying random crap.
    Daecon, IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU, try and understand that. I am not debating your stance to homosexuality. I take it you are a grown up man but you don't seem to represent our children in its totality. I do not know if you are a homosexual or not, it does not make a difference, but I would, maybe a bit stupid of me, however expect it of you to at least take notice of what is happening to our next generation of children.
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    I'm not talking about children. I'm not talking about paedophiles. I'm talking about YOU saying homosexuality is like paedophilia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
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    Did... did you just equate homosexuality wih paedophilia?!

    I think member Stargate wants to know whether or not pedophilia is, as in the case with homosexuality, caused by a combination of biological and environmental factors and whether or not pedophiles tend to abuse children of the same gender.

    The answer on both questions is 'no'. Pedophilia is classified as a sexual disorder (according to the MeSH) and it has been correlated to some neurological parameters (e.g. IQ). There is no evidence (as far as I could find after skimming Wikipedia) that male pedophiles tend to abuse boys, nor that homosexuals are more inclined to become pedophiles, nor that homosexuality has the same causes as pedophilia (as homosexuality is classified as 'sexual behavior').
    Sometimes I wonder if the people that are abusing themselves will ever understand what is happening. The society can be told tomorrow that a gene is responsible for the behavior of pedophiles. We grab that, we might be told the next day that another gene was found and that's why we fire guns. What is normal at this point?
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    Sorry Babe, what do you expect me to say? I see what is happening to the children and this is done by grown people who are supposed to take care of our children. I am given all kind of excuses who is born with what and who is not responsible and all the other excuses, and you say I am sick? I need to question your motive.
    you may as well have picked canadians or jews or hetorosexuals. Why do you equate homosexuality with f*cking kids? What makes you think that is the same? what about the 40 year old male coach that f*cks the 8 year old girl? is he a homosexual too?
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    There's a difference between pedophilla and homosexuality in MOST cases but there have been SOME homosexuals who have been with children but to say they all should be pointed out as pedophoiles isn't right. I'd just want to put any pedophile in jail for a very long time and not see them moved around in the church to let them do the same thing again somewhere else.
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    First you tell Babe
    I am given all kind of excuses who is born with what and who is not responsible and all the other excuses, and you say I am sick?
    But then your very next post you go on to reply to deacon this way...


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    If you can train a dog to know the difference between right and wrong, then a human has no excuse.
    Sorry Daecon, I think that is bull?
    Which one is it? people can't help themselves or they can?
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    Sorry Babe, what do you expect me to say? I see what is happening to the children and this is done by grown people who are supposed to take care of our children. I am given all kind of excuses who is born with what and who is not responsible and all the other excuses, and you say I am sick? I need to question your motive.
    you may as well have picked canadians or jews or hetorosexuals. Why do you equate homosexuality with f*cking kids? What makes you think that is the same? what about the 40 year old male coach that f*cks the 8 year old girl? is he a homosexual too?
    You are not on the same page, you are somewhere out there with homosexuals, I am talking about the excuses we are given for the demolition of the worlds children. They are our problem I don't care what they want to call themselves, they are violating the children all of them, now its young and old violating. I did not say homosexuality was about sexing kids, you are too defensive.
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    There's a difference between pedophilla and homosexuality in MOST cases but there have been SOME homosexuals who have been with children but to say they all should be pointed out as pedophoiles isn't right. I'd just want to put any pedophile in jail for a very long time and not see them moved around in the church to let them do the same thing again somewhere else.
    There have also been some heterosexuals that have "been" with children, so you can't really generalise in that way. Just like there are both homosexual and heterosexual rapists, abuse has nothing to do with orientation.
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    I think your mind is out of control to tell me this.
    says the guy that thinks two unrelated things are the same thing.
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    Sorry Babe, what do you expect me to say? I see what is happening to the children and this is done by grown people who are supposed to take care of our children. I am given all kind of excuses who is born with what and who is not responsible and all the other excuses, and you say I am sick? I need to question your motive.
    you may as well have picked canadians or jews or hetorosexuals. Why do you equate homosexuality with f*cking kids? What makes you think that is the same? what about the 40 year old male coach that f*cks the 8 year old girl? is he a homosexual too?
    You are not on the same page, you are somewhere out there with homosexuals, I am talking about the excuses we are given for the demolition of the worlds children. They are our problem I don't care what they want to call themselves, they are violating the children all of them, now its young and old violating. I did not say homosexuality was about sexing kids, you are too defensive.
    And yet YOU'RE the one claiming that homosexuality is somehow related to "the demolition of the worlds children".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    This has nothing to do with the priest, it has everything to do with you being a homophobic bigot. You think paedophilia is the same as homosexuality? How dare you!
    How dare you? I did not say it is the same I said it is sick thinking,
    you equated them as the same...
    Homosexuals say they are born that way, what about the pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    I am so fed up with the excuses and the torture to people. Why don't you go into a church and tell the powers that be that they are hurting our children
    because not every member of the clergy is a pedophile

    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    instead of trying to cover it up by calling me names.
    nobody is covering up anything by calling you names. We all already know pedophilia is wrong. It's a given. What else needs to be said?. You are being called names for equating two groups of people for being the same. In effect demonizing homosexuals as child f*ckers when they are not the same. Moron!

    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    If anyone is a bigot it is you.
    oh pray-tell, why?


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    if you are a devoted homosexual express you indignation of a grown priest who is telling the rest of the world he did not know it was crime to abuse children.
    why do any of us need to do this? It's common f*cking sense. You think silence equals agreement? you're a bigger fool than I thought. Maybe he didn't feel like chiming in on a given.

    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    I think he should be set as an example to the critical thinking going on the Vatican. Sorry I am really so angry at the moment it is not conducive to sensible discussion.
    So is that your excuse? you get really angry and target a group at random? I don't think you should be allowed children. no telling if you'd get really angry and hit one of them based on your anger.

    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    What you also need to understand unless you are a homosexual it has nothing to do with you but about the children we are supposed to protect, so wake up Daecon, I am not really angry at you, but on the stance you take.
    What??? he's anti child f*ckers too. What the hell is wrong with you??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    This priest should be hung up as an example, but it seems he and the rest of the gang are getting tremendous support.
    Nobody is supporting this priest. You made that up!!!!!
    your strawman can't even stand on a windless day.


    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    The homosexuals are getting a bad rap not because of me, but because some people think it is linked although it might not be.
    Some people like you?


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    Somethings are perceived to be, you have to know they are judged that way.
    No they don't. Which is why you are being "called names."
    Moron!
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    There's a difference between pedophilla and homosexuality in MOST cases but there have been SOME homosexuals who have been with children but to say they all should be pointed out as pedophoiles isn't right. I'd just want to put any pedophile in jail for a very long time and not see them moved around in the church to let them do the same thing again somewhere else.
    There have also been some heterosexuals that have "been" with children, so you can't really generalise in that way. Just like there are both homosexual and heterosexual rapists, abuse has nothing to do with orientation.
    Daecon you are a grown up, take responsibility for your own actions. If you know the difference between abuse and use, then there is no need to talk about the abuser, it really means everyone, the ones who are doing it, and the ones who are allowing it.
    We are responsible for the children of the world, you don't have to have first grade to know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post

    I was not talking about the priest mentioned in the O.P., as it is clear that he has no below-average intelligence.
    That's debatable since he chose "priest" as his profession.
    *Ba dum ching*
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    This priest should be hung up as an example, but it seems he and the rest of the gang are getting tremendous support.
    Nobody is supporting this priest. You made that up!!!!!
    your strawman can't even stand on a windless day.


    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    The homosexuals are getting a bad rap not because of me, but because some people think it is linked although it might not be.
    Some people like you?


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    Somethings are perceived to be, you have to know they are judged that way.
    No they don't. Which is why you are being "called names."
    Moron!
    Tooooo late?????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children, grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent. I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.
    And only homosexuals do this to children? You are a f*cking nut job!
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    As you know most things that the media do not want people to know are wrapped in special words to divert attention away from the truth. If someone is killed and the person who has done the killing is not well, I feel sympathy and all the emotions that goes with the illness, however, I cannot excuse that the life of someone was snuffed out by this person. nature makes no such distinctions, it does not owe and it does not borrow. Life promises you nothing because there is nothing to promise. Sometimes we argue because we think we are educated, but education can also be an obstacle, it depends on what type of education one receives.
    Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?
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    but I would, maybe a bit stupid of me, however expect it of you to at least take notice of what is happening to our next generation of children.
    Who said he didn't? other than you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    Did... did you just equate homosexuality wih paedophilia?!

    I think member Stargate wants to know whether or not pedophilia is, as in the case with homosexuality, caused by a combination of biological and environmental factors and whether or not pedophiles tend to abuse children of the same gender.

    The answer on both questions is 'no'. Pedophilia is classified as a sexual disorder (according to the MeSH) and it has been correlated to some neurological parameters (e.g. IQ). There is no evidence (as far as I could find after skimming Wikipedia) that male pedophiles tend to abuse boys, nor that homosexuals are more inclined to become pedophiles, nor that homosexuality has the same causes as pedophilia (as homosexuality is classified as 'sexual behavior').
    Sometimes I wonder if the people that are abusing themselves will ever understand what is happening. The society can be told tomorrow that a gene is responsible for the behavior of pedophiles. We grab that, we might be told the next day that another gene was found and that's why we fire guns. What is normal at this point?
    You are continuing in the vein of dumb I see. So what if a "gene" is found? that doesn't mean they are equal. imposing your will and wants on a child or depriving someone of their life is not the same as TWO CONSENTING ADULTS. Moron!
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children, grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent. I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.
    And only homosexuals do this to children? You are a f*cking nut job!
    Slow down and read what is said. If you read very carefully you will noticed I said, "homosexuals, lesbians, everyone".
    Here is what I just cannot understand with some of you; as soon as you run out of a proper response, you turn to profanity, really, it shows the level of communication skill you have reached. You might have a lot of words, but you lack mediocrity in communication skills, that is saying you are just elementary. I do not have to pay that part of you attention since you have proven to me that you are incapable of the task.
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    Sorry Babe, what do you expect me to say? I see what is happening to the children and this is done by grown people who are supposed to take care of our children. I am given all kind of excuses who is born with what and who is not responsible and all the other excuses, and you say I am sick? I need to question your motive.
    you may as well have picked canadians or jews or hetorosexuals. Why do you equate homosexuality with f*cking kids? What makes you think that is the same? what about the 40 year old male coach that f*cks the 8 year old girl? is he a homosexual too?
    You are not on the same page, you are somewhere out there with homosexuals,
    boy you can't help but keep digging yourself deeper and deeper can you? I'm out there with the homosexuals am I? I'm out here on the side of what is right and just, dumbass. and you are no where near this side.


    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    I am talking about the excuses we are given for the demolition of the worlds children.
    Of which "teh gays" have no interest in. gay people, when it comes to sex, are only interested in other gay people, moron! Not children.


    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    They are our problem I don't care what they want to call themselves, they are violating the children all of them, now its young and old violating.
    how so? Homosexuals aren't interested in children. They are only interested in other gay people, moron!


    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    I did not say homosexuality was about sexing kids, you are too defensive.
    Yes you did! and there is no such thing as "too defensive" when you're wrongly demonizing a group of people. Moron!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    There's a difference between pedophilla and homosexuality in MOST cases but there have been SOME homosexuals who have been with children but to say they all should be pointed out as pedophoiles isn't right. I'd just want to put any pedophile in jail for a very long time and not see them moved around in the church to let them do the same thing again somewhere else.
    There have also been some heterosexuals that have "been" with children, so you can't really generalise in that way. Just like there are both homosexual and heterosexual rapists, abuse has nothing to do with orientation.
    Daecon you are a grown up, take responsibility for your own actions.
    What the hell does this mean? you think he's not taking responsibility for his own actions? Says who? The only one not taking responsibility is you.

    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    If you know the difference between abuse and use, then there is no need to talk about the abuser, it really means everyone, the ones who are doing it, and the ones who are allowing it.
    If it "really means everyone" why do you keep specifically bringing up Homosexuals? MORON!



    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    We are responsible for the children of the world, you don't have to have first grade to know that.
    and apparently first grade is where you stopped because you obviously need to be over first grade to know that HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT PEDOPHILES
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
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    There's a difference between pedophilla and homosexuality in MOST cases but there have been SOME homosexuals who have been with children but to say they all should be pointed out as pedophoiles isn't right. I'd just want to put any pedophile in jail for a very long time and not see them moved around in the church to let them do the same thing again somewhere else.
    There have also been some heterosexuals that have "been" with children, so you can't really generalise in that way. Just like there are both homosexual and heterosexual rapists, abuse has nothing to do with orientation.
    Daecon you are a grown up, take responsibility for your own actions.
    What the hell does this mean? you think he's not taking responsibility for his own actions? Says who? The only one not taking responsibility is you.

    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    If you know the difference between abuse and use, then there is no need to talk about the abuser, it really means everyone, the ones who are doing it, and the ones who are allowing it.
    If it "really means everyone" why do you keep specifically bringing up Homosexuals? MORON!



    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    We are responsible for the children of the world, you don't have to have first grade to know that.
    and apparently first grade is where you stopped because you obviously need to be over first grade to know that HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT PEDOPHILES
    At the moment you seem to need protection your self, from the state of your mind.

    Enough for to day, take care.
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children, grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent. I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.
    And only homosexuals do this to children? You are a f*cking nut job!
    Slow down and read what is said. If you read very carefully you will noticed I said, "homosexuals, lesbians, everyone".
    But homosexuals and lesbians lead the pack of "everyone" do they? Why not write "Heterosexuals and Blacks?" and it doesn't matter that you wrote "everyone" because not everyone diddles kids! Moron!
    Believe me I'm slow when I read the crap you post. For one, your grammar is horrendous. (I don't mean the occasional syntax mess up. I mean full on thought derailments) So I'm having to decipher it and then rereading it to make sure you have actually posted something as stupid as you have. so it gets read multiple times before I respond.



    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    Here is what I just cannot understand with some of you; as soon as you run out of a proper response, you turn to profanity, really, it shows the level of communication skill you have reached.
    Something else you don't understand is that with the level of discourse you are attempting, the only proper response is profanity. Another thing you don't seem to understand is that HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT PEDOPHILES, Moron!


    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    You might have a lot of words, but you lack mediocrity in communication skills,
    The first correct thing you have said. Yes, we all lack "Mediocrity." We are thoughtful and profound where as you are mediocre. perhaps that's why profanity on our part is the only proper response to your postings. That's the only way we know how to get someone as mediocre as yourself to understand us.



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    that is saying you are just elementary.
    No it's not, oh wanna-be sage.


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    I do not have to pay that part of you attention since you have proven to me that you are incapable of the task.
    Apparently there are a lot of things you felt you didn't need to pay attention to. Which explains why you really are as moronic as you appear to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post

    At the moment you seem to need protection your self, from the state of your mind.
    There is nothing wrong with my state of mind. It's people like you that the world needs protection from, people like you and pedophiles, you know, everyone!

    Quote Originally Posted by stargate
    Enough for to day, take care.
    Go learn something in your time by yourself.
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    I'm gay. I love beefy, hairy men. I don't even notice guys who look like they're under 30 years old. What the hell does me liking fully-grown adult men have to do with children? Do you think heterosexual women who go for beefy hairy men are also sexually interested in children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    I'm gay. I love beefy, hairy men. I don't even notice guys who look like they're under 30 years old. What the hell does me liking fully-grown adult men have to do with children? Do you think heterosexual women who go for beefy hairy men are also sexually interested in children?
    Beefy, hairy men look like gorillas! Jesus the homosexual population is into bestiality as well as children, who knew? You're an Abomination, Daecon!!! [/sarcasm]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children
    No it doesn't. Homosexuality is attraction to someone of the same sex; pedophilia is attraction to children. They are different things.
    grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent.
    Agreed.
    I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.
    Yes, everyone should be - and from what I can see, homosexuals and lesbians ARE out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. Here is the list of gay support groups for children (and parents of children) in just one state:
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    • Tim Dyar-Place: Family Pride Coalition of the Pomona Valley, email: dyar-place@earthlink.net

    • Gay Fathers of Sacramento, 916-484-5636

    • Baby Buds, support group for Asian Pacific Islander queer women and transgender people who want to be parents. babybuds-owner@yahoogroups.com

    • Our Family Coalition, The Bay Area Gay & Lesbian Family Group, 415-981-1960, PO Box 13505, Berkeley, CA 94712-4505,
    www.ourfamily.org

    • Gay and Lesbian Parents of Los Angeles, (213) 654-0307


    • Lesbian Mothers & Our Children 213-993-7608

    • Gamofites, gay Mormon fathers, (949) 661-6433, www.gamofites.org

    • The Pop Luck Club,
    www.popluckclub.org

    • Family Matters, 1010 University Ave, PMB #802, San Diego, CA 92103, 619-298-KID1 (5431),
    www.sdfamilymatters.org

    • Billy DeFrank LGBT Community Center of Santa Clara County's support/social group for Mothers and Fathers with younger children. Also, join their informal email list
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DeFrank_Family/

    • Our Family Coalition
    Phone: (415) 981-1960

    • Family Matters,
    San Diego LGBT Community Center, 3909 Centre Street, San Diego, CA 92103

    • Pacific Center for Human Growth http://www.pacificcenter.org/

    • Lighthouse Community Center http://www.lgbtlighthouse.com/ (510) 881-8167

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    How a homosexual perpetrator impacts the perception of pedophilia

    Modern societies base the offensiveness of crimes more from the perspective of victims than from a standard as in the past. For example, courts now allow victims and families to influence sentencing by providing the court with their victim impact statements (and without having to swear to tell the truth, which also allows them to embellish).

    So, for example, with victim impact affecting the perceived offensiveness of sexual crimes, generally speaking, a lesbian woman if raped by a man is more offended than if raped by a woman. Same thing with a straight man as the victim more offended if raped by a man than a woman.

    The same holds true with pedophilia. For simplicity sake, let's use 10% as the homosexual proportion in an otherwise heterosexual society. If a homosexual commits pedophilia, a 90% chance exists that the victim deems it more offensive due to the 90% chance that the victim is straight. If a heterosexual commits pedophilia, a 10% chance exists that the victim deems it more offensive due to the 10% chance that the victim is homosexual. Thus, generally speaking, homosexual pedophilia would be perceived as more offensive than heterosexual pedophilia.

    Only if the proportion of homosexuals in society is about 50% would the offensiveness of pedophilia be perceived as the same between homosexual and heterosexual perpetrators. If the homosexual proportion of society is greater than 50%, then heterosexual pedophilia would be perceived as more offensive that homosexual pedophilia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children, grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent. I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.

    Nothing.

    My kids spent a lot of time around homosexuals growing up. Didn't hurt them a bit. THen again, their sexuality wasn't an issue. They knew they were gay. Big deal.

    They are normal human beings with a different sexual preference.

    They don't prey on children.

    Pedophiles do.
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    I wonder when the pedophiles are going to make it a law that pedophilla isn't illegal any longer? With many states that voted against gay marriages being overturned it won't be long before pedophiles will get the OK to do what they want as well. They will just put it ob a ballot and whatever happens they will appeal it which will give them what they want.

    Should let the congregation decide what to do with the priest that commits the crime what should be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I wonder when the pedophiles are going to make it a law that pedophilla isn't illegal any longer? With many states that voted against gay marriages being overturned it won't be long before pedophiles will get the OK to do what they want as well. They will just put it ob a ballot and whatever happens they will appeal it which will give them what they want.
    Trying to equate homosexuality with pedophilia again? You may have noticed it's not working.
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    Should let the courts decide. That's why we have them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I wonder when the pedophiles are going to make it a law that pedophilla isn't illegal any longer? With many states that voted against gay marriages being overturned it won't be long before pedophiles will get the OK to do what they want as well. They will just put it ob a ballot and whatever happens they will appeal it which will give them what they want. Should let the congregation decide what to do with the priest that commits the crime what should be done.
    Which part of "age of consent" are you not clear on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    What the hell does homosexuality have to do with children?
    It has everything to do with children, grownups are capable of looking after themselves, or at least they should be, we have to protect the future for generations to came. maybe you do not see it that way but everyone supports their own indulgent. I think homosexuals, lesbians, everyone should be out of the starting blocks when it comes to our children. We bomb them, we starve them, we sex them when they are too young, whet the hell, they don't seem to have a safe heaven on the planet.

    Nothing.

    My kids spent a lot of time around homosexuals growing up. Didn't hurt them a bit. THen again, their sexuality wasn't an issue. They knew they were gay. Big deal.

    They are normal human beings with a different sexual preference.

    They don't prey on children.

    Pedophiles do.
    You are also caught up in a frenzy about homosexuals, its not about homosexuals, its about what is happening to the children, who, or whom I don't care, it is grown people that are doing it to them. Why don't you get it? I said it before the next thing you know they have found a gene for the behavior of pedophiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I wonder when the pedophiles are going to make it a law that pedophilla isn't illegal any longer? With many states that voted against gay marriages being overturned it won't be long before pedophiles will get the OK to do what they want as well. They will just put it ob a ballot and whatever happens they will appeal it which will give them what they want.

    Should let the congregation decide what to do with the priest that commits the crime what should be done.
    Thank you Cosmictraveler, it does not matter how tollerant one would like to be, there is a point where someone must address this problem. I think although this might cost me, the catholic church and their policies should be scrutinized in terms of the abuse coming in from victims of rape and child abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    You are also caught up in a frenzy about homosexuals, its not about homosexuals, its about what is happening to the children, who, or whom I don't care, it is grown people that are doing it to them. Why don't you get it? I said it before the next thing you know they have found a gene for the behavior of pedophiles.

    Yet, they have not found one up to now. The suggestion that pedophilia is a sexual disorder caused by the presence of a single gene, is absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
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    You are also caught up in a frenzy about homosexuals, its not about homosexuals, its about what is happening to the children, who, or whom I don't care, it is grown people that are doing it to them. Why don't you get it? I said it before the next thing you know they have found a gene for the behavior of pedophiles.

    Yet, they have not found one up to now. The suggestion that pedophilia is a sexual disorder caused by the presence of a single gene, is absurd.
    Tomorrow is another day, unfortunately something causes us to do what we do, be it a gene or a crazy mind. As it seems one cannot mention the word homosexual without the whole discussion hijacked.

    The fact that a priest can come out and say such incredible things and the world does not question what the hell is going on, is completely mind boggling to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    You are also caught up in a frenzy about homosexuals, its not about homosexuals, its about what is happening to the children, who, or whom I don't care, it is grown people that are doing it to them. Why don't you get it? I said it before the next thing you know they have found a gene for the behavior of pedophiles.

    Yet, they have not found one up to now. The suggestion that pedophilia is a sexual disorder caused by the presence of a single gene, is absurd.
    Masturbation is the result of a (single) gene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I wonder when the pedophiles are going to make it a law that pedophilla isn't illegal any longer?
    Sex is a contract. Children are not allowed to enter into contracts. It won't be put on the ballot. It will not get voted on. This is not a slipper slope with regards to Homosexuality. Pedophilia and Homosexuality are not the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    You are also caught up in a frenzy about homosexuals, its not about homosexuals...
    Because YOU specifically brought up Homosexuals in response to pedophilia. You didn't bring up Mexicans or Canadians, YOU named Homosexuals as the problem with Pedophilia.

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    Why don't you get it?
    You are the one that does not get it. You don't get to single out a group and then write "I meant everyone" and then continue to single out that group.

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    I said it before the next thing you know they have found a gene for the behavior of pedophiles.
    Thus AGAIN equating homosexuals to pedophilia. How come you can't understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    I wonder when the pedophiles are going to make it a law that pedophilla isn't illegal any longer? With many states that voted against gay marriages being overturned it won't be long before pedophiles will get the OK to do what they want as well. They will just put it ob a ballot and whatever happens they will appeal it which will give them what they want.

    Should let the congregation decide what to do with the priest that commits the crime what should be done.
    Thank you Cosmictraveler, it does not matter how tollerant one would like to be, there is a point where someone must address this problem.
    Pedophilia has always been addressed as a problem. What exactly are you talking about?


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    I think although this might cost me, the catholic church and their policies should be scrutinized in terms of the abuse coming in from victims of rape and child abuse.
    Well, no shit? what a profound revelation! what about any other organizations that have an image of diddling kids? You think we should go after them too? Or just the Catholic church?
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