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    As an ihhabitant of Belarus i'm interested in its future. Have you heard about the last quarels about the oil and gas prices? I know that almost the whole Europe depends on them. Are the countries of West Europe ready for cooperating witrh Belarus?


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    Could you give a few more details on the character of these quarrels. What is the nature of the dispute? My vague rcollection of the situation is
    1) Russia's oil and gas exports to the West pass through Belarus.
    2) Russia also provides Belarus with subsidised oil and gas.
    3) Russia intends to remove this subsid, which will cause economic hardship for Belarus.
    4) The Belarus authorities are threatening to shut down the pipelines if the subsidy is withdrawn.

    Is that it? What cooperation do you want from the west? Other points?

    [Sometimes when someone asks for cooperation it is cooperation on their terms. That can sound very much like blackmail. Just a passing thought.]


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    First of all cooperation - developing and integrating our economics together (west europe contries will perhaps replace russia and will become the main partner of belarus)

    Then i've heard about in the news about possibility of stoping the oil and gas deliveries. So our country is extencivly seaching for new partners (Iran, Uzbekistan) in this sphere. As you know Belarus almost hasn't got any local fuels (expect of unperspective peat) and this problem i suppose will touch everybody.
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    I guess it depends on the economy of Belarus, what kind of products does the country produce? If there are possibilities for trade than they certainly wont be ignored (unless there are problems with tariff barriers). The EU sometimes grants a country favoured access to it's internal market (extra low tariffs), but in the case of Belarus this probably doesn't happen because the EU doesn't have good relations with the government of Lukashenko.

    By the way, what is your opinion on the outcome of the energy conflict with Russia? Has Gazprom become very powerful in Belarus now? (I heard they gained shares in the Belarussian oil industry as part of the deal)
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    Belarus is famous for its potash fertilizers and solt all over the world - it is probably the only sphere wher we are on the top.
    Then belarusian tractors and huge lorries are widely spread not only over the territory of the former USSR.
    But I suppose this products won't interest EU greatly and after a possible crisis Belarus with return on traditional fuel: fire wood, peat that we've got in great amounts, unfavourable brown coal and combustinble slates.
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    Europe i fear is too worried of upsetting Russia to confront them over their blackmailing of former soviet states, but if your country and our own country's can find alternative supplies of fuel then Russia can't bully anyone anymore, and i think this is what most European country's want as Russia is obviously an unreliable source of fuel.

    Do you think your country will be interested in joining the EU in the future ?
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    I presume its fantastic, but our goverment treat it as a future perspective.
    Have you ever benn to Belarus, the Ukraine or Russia then you guess our social and economic level is not enough to join EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatskiJ
    Belarus is famous for its potash fertilizers and solt all over the world - it is probably the only sphere wher we are on the top.
    Then belarusian tractors and huge lorries are widely spread not only over the territory of the former USSR.
    But I suppose this products won't interest EU greatly and after a possible crisis Belarus with return on traditional fuel: fire wood, peat that we've got in great amounts, unfavourable brown coal and combustinble slates.
    It's a difficult situation.. We wish the best for Belarus, but as long as the government doesn't respect human rights there's not much the EU can do. Several countries in Eastern Europe which have economic problems recieve assistance from the EU (partly to prepare them for membership, but also partly as aid to have stability in Eastern Europe), but EU rules only permit this for fully democratic countries. But this choice is to the people of Belarus.

    About energy, wouldn't nuclear power be a good alternative for Belarus? It may be a bit expensive in the beginning, but it could be a durable solution to the dependence on Russian oil and gas.
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    The Chernobyl disaster was one of the greatest in the world.
    Nearly 20% of Belarussian territory was affected with radiation. Somewho diedor was suffering from wounds.
    The majority of belarussian population was connected with with the strike.
    So belarussians separated into 2 groups: those who are fo and against erecting of nuclear power station.
    I've heard aboput planning of building it in the Mogilev region. But before starting a referendum should be held.
    Moreover the problem of nuclear wastes excite minds of authorites in many countries as well as its buying.
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    Ai, yea Chernobyl was very close to Belarus.. But I think modern nuclear power stations, if properly managed, are very safe. Just a few kilometers from my house there's a nuclear station as well, but I don't worry about it. Even if several things go wrong at the same time it will just switch off and prevent a meltdown. So I hope Belarus will use nuclear power to become less dependent to Russia.

    And it would be great if relations between Belarus and the EU would improve.
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    From my point of view modern nuclear power stations supply sfe conditions for nearby dwellers. But some other respondents suppose it dangerous and against station establishing.
    French and japanese builder have great experience of it and whether they'll create a station we should be safe. But money...
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    This should interest you ChatskiJ.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2006191.stm

    ----edit----

    02/04/07

    Interesting article in the paper today about Belarus.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle1599615.ece
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