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    Hello, right I just wanted to say out there in the observable universe are 100 000 000 galaxies out there and there are 100 million stars for every galaxy, within the ibservable universe there apears to be a tiny space in which looks empty and is about the size of a penny from 30 foot away, altough upon looking through the hubble telescope it appears that there are many more million galaxies, so therefore I think that proves the theory of never ending space.


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    That's an incomprehensibly simplified way of proving an infinite universe. You might want to put a few more minutes worth of thought into this before you make a conclusion.


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    Is this not a suitable conclusion?
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    The universe has become increasingly less wonderful since the curtains first opened for the one act play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronthegreat View Post
    there apears to be a tiny space in which looks empty and is about the size of a penny from 30 foot away, altough upon looking through the hubble telescope it appears that there are many more million galaxies, so therefore I think that proves the theory of never ending space.
    If you took that image from Hubble (the one with million more galaxies in it) and zoomed in on an area the size of a penny from 30 feet away, would you get a new image with million more galaxies in it?

    If you did, how deep would it go?

    Mandelbrot fractal deep zoom - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronthegreat View Post
    Is this not a suitable conclusion?
    Not really, because you have no way of distinguishing "infinite" (never ending) from "really, really, really big" (and they are totally different concepts).
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    There is no evidence that we have come to the edge of the universe, the more we investigate deeper the more galaxies, stars and dark matter we discover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronthegreat View Post
    There is no evidence that we have come to the edge of the universe
    No one said we had.

    the more we investigate deeper the more galaxies, stars and dark matter we discover.
    Read Strange's post again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronthegreat View Post
    There is no evidence that we have come to the edge of the universe, the more we investigate deeper the more galaxies, stars and dark matter we discover.
    Firstly, we know there is a limit to how much of the universe we can see directly (the observable universe). It is almost certain that the whole universe is bigger than this.

    But just because there is more to see, doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. It just means it is bigger.
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    I think the reality of this is somewhat there but an infinite universe could be possible, right now as you so rightly said we can see no further then the observable universe,but I think that way way out there,it must endI
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronthegreat View Post
    I think the reality of this is somewhat there but an infinite universe could be possible, right now as you so rightly said we can see no further then the observable universe,but I think that way way out there,it must endI
    Uh, whut?
    If it's infinte then, by definition, it doesn't "end".
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    Sorry I ment couldnt!!
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    Is it possible that some finite concept / thing / place etc.. can contain / encompass/ border an infinite concept / thing/ place etc.. ?

    If you ask me this question I will say . No way. It is not possible.
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    I believe not but who am I to predict, science is forever evolving and new discoveries are made everyday? I know this isnt related but do you believe there is life forms out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious siraj View Post
    strange. is it possible that some finite concept / thing / place etc can contain / encompass/ border an infinite concept / thing/ place?
    If you ask me this question I will say . No way. It is not possible. But i want you opinion on this.
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    Among others: both finite concepts (in that we can handle them without problems), both transcendental - never-ending - numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronthegreat View Post
    do you believe there is life forms out there.
    scientists are still searching for ET life on other possibly habitable planets in our galaxy and other galaxies
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    Iv heard that on saturns moon (titan) the surface is the temperature of liquid nitrogen, but beneath this are lakes and its believed it has more water then all the oceans on earth, and if this is true then I believe there must be some kind of microbe oor life form out there on titan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    strange. is it possible that some finite concept / thing / place etc can contain / encompass/ border an infinite concept / thing/ place?
    If you ask me this question I will say . No way. It is not possible. But i want you opinion on this.
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    Among others: both finite concepts (in that we can handle them without problems), both transcendental - never-ending - numbers.
    thank you Mr D.
    I have used these both numbers myself with some accuracy during my study time.
    this was about concept.
    can we find an infinite place / thing inside a finite place / thing?
    (Answer will be that, anything inside finite place will automatically be finite.) what do you say
    (Sir i am not insisting on my this position)
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    Thanks for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious siraj View Post
    can we find an infinite place / thing inside a finite place / thing?
    Sierpinksi triangle:


    Bounded by a finite border (the outside of the triangle) and contains an infinitely long "perimeter".

    Likewise the Menger Sponge: infinite surface area and encloses zero volume, while bounded by the size of the original cube.
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    Wow
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    Do you know dr brian cox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious siraj View Post
    can we find an infinite place / thing inside a finite place / thing?
    Gabriel's Horn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Gabriel's Horn (also called Torricelli's trumpet) is a geometric figure which has infinite surface area but finite volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronthegreat View Post
    I think the reality of this is somewhat there but an infinite universe could be possible
    It could be. Or maybe not.

    Some days I favour infinite because it makes more sense; other days finite seems more logical.
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    Its an everchanging world!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    can we find an infinite place / thing inside a finite place / thing?
    Gabriel's Horn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Gabriel's Horn (also called Torricelli's trumpet) is a geometric figure which has infinite surface area but finite volume.
    amazing information for me. But beyond my understanding capacity. i confess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious siraj View Post
    amazing information for me. But beyond my understanding capacity. i confess.
    It may look complicated but if you were to work through an introductory calculus course, it would be quite straightforward!

    For example: http://www.coursera.org/course/calc1
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    Just love science
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