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    I have gone vegetarian but I haven't made the leap to vegan yet.

    Have you gone veggy or vegan and what was your reasonings and have you benefited health wise?

    If so, what benefits have you found.


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    I would like to go vegetarian, but I like steak too much. I've seen firsthand some of the hog conditions here in Indy and they're appalling. I know there are places which are the same for all livestock so I can appreciate why people wouldn't want to support that industry.


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    I am philosophically a vegetarian, but I like Flick I am too attracted to the taste of meat to forego it.
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    I actually tried it for a year and found that I did not lose weight, which was what I wanted, and I could have easily continued but did not. I had not bad reaction nor got sick during that time.
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    I like vegetarians. They taste good

    I would like to gradually switch from a omnivorous nutrition to a pseudo-vegetarian one for at least a good part of the week on a regular basis. Once this is done and becomes habitual, with the various recipes etc, it will then be easier to choose.
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    I eat vegetables and I eat things that eat vegetables but I don't eat things that eat things that eat vegetables.
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    I was a big steak guy before, but when I saw how the commercial farms treat the animals I just became very disgusted with the whole industry. After going vegetarian I droped some weight and feel much better and I notice
    that my sinuses are much more open. I feel I am in much better health now! So give it a shot.
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    Apparently it's more ethically reasonable to eat meat without dairy products than vice versa so I'm very confused about what to do with my diet at the moment.
    As for vegetarianism and veganism in general, I'm not optimistic about the current efforts directed at converting people to it through arguments about morality - mass adoption of ethics tends to follow economic and technological changes rather than the other way around. Once growing steak in a vat becomes possible and attains at least some of its economic potential, factory farming should be totally outperformed. Under those circumstances, is it such a stretch to imagine that future generations might find themselves wondering how people today could produce food in such an immoral way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut_Sundae View Post
    Under those circumstances, is it such a stretch to imagine that future generations might find themselves wondering how people today could produce food in such an immoral way?
    They will be horrified and view us as moral degenerates focused on self gratification and with no sense of unity with the cosmos. The more tolerant among them will make a series of excuses for our behaviour that they will not really believe. (One in thirty will think "I wonder if the real stuff tastes better", then blush with embarrassment at their fall from grace.)
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    Is there really such a thing as a true vegan? Would all 100% genuine vegans be willing to die in extreme circumstances when there are no plants to kill and consume? Unless all vegans want to commit suicide by way of starvation, they will always have to keep their desire for meat in reserve.
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    This is one of my favorite topics because...

    ....plants eat meat!

    The soil reclaims the flesh and bones of all living things and plants get their nutrients from the soil. We add fishmeal, bonemeal, bloodmeal and calcium to soil and call it organic gardening. Organic Soil Amendments and Organic Fertilizers for Organic Vegetable Growing - West Coast Seeds
    If I should eat a steak or pork tenderloin along the way, I merely speed up the process. Eventually I too will be pushing up daisies whether I am buried or cremated first. The outcome is the same.

    The true moral indignity is the manner in which animals are disrespected in factory farming. That is what needs to be changed, IMO.

    I am an omnivore and I enjoy most meats and veggies. Several of my friends are quite close to being vegetarians. Apparently bacon is one meat that many of them say is the hardest to forsake.
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    I would like to gradually switch from a omnivorous nutrition to a pseudo-vegetarian one for at least a good part of the week on a regular basis. Once this is done and becomes habitual, with the various recipes etc, it will then be easier to choose.
    We don't think about it much, but it suddenly occurs to us that we haven't eaten meat for several days in succession. (Though that may not mean we've been entirely vegetarian. We might have used meat-based stock for a risotto or a soup.)

    This is one of my favorite topics because...

    ....plants eat meat!
    I really love the idea that the great forests of Alaska and the NW Pacific regions are a product of nutrients in the Pacific Ocean. Courtesy of the bodies of salmon. Salmon run - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    I just went vegan about 9 months ago after I found out what they do to animals in factory farms.

    Since I went vegan, I have lost 36 pounds, ditched all the sinus meds I was on bc I no longer need them, I can think so much clearer and get less tired / fatigued and I stopped getting sick (I didn't get sick this last winter for the first time in 6 years)

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    I am a vegetarian, and have been for over 30 years. I became a vegetarian because I didn't like the idea of eating animals, and it is now relatively easy to live without eating animals. I never preach vegetarianism or brow beat anyone about it - it is a personal choice.

    I once met a level 10 vegan. He didn't eat anything that casts a shadow.
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    One side-effect of becomming vegetarian/vegan is a pshychological affliction called Vegetitis.

    It includes telling everyone and their mother that you are a vegetarian, in an arrogant smug matter. Serious progression of this illness when it comes to sympthoms; includes daily facebook pictures or blogs showing of pictures of the vegetarian food you make. The usual point of no return when you get this affliction, is when you start attending PETA seminars and start to accept their brainwashing. They will tell you (scientifically proved wrong) that eating meat is not natural (We ARE omnivores). And you will start to believe it.

    Friends and co-workers should consider an intervention when you visit a friend's house as he throws a BBQ party, and you throw a dead bloodied animal on the table, on the grill or in the face of the host (In some cases, your friend's cat).

    An intervention usually includes handcuffs and veal meat (In some cases, seal) and a fork. (In extreme cases, wrapped in bacon).
    When you finally taste meat again, logical reasoning and common sense should return and the madness will seize.
    If the afflicted pukes out the meat and starts screaming "animal murderers!" - a bullet to brain would be a mercy as your "friend" is now completely gone.

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    This was meant as a joke for those that may have thought I was serious
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    This was meant as a joke
    You didn't take that username from a certain fantastic video game did you?
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    While I completely respect the right of others to choose what they dine on, I just have to comment that they know who to call when their child is at home alone and a bear is seen walking through their yard.

    Child calls parent at work, parent calls neighbor who just happens to be licensed to carry firearms and is a meat-eater. The neighbor and partner go to the site with bear spray and armaments.

    No bears were harmed in the process.

    I really enjoy my vegetables as well as the culinary art of slipping more veggies into hubby's diet without offending him. Living in a cold climate, I certainly crave a piece of red meat at least a few times a week. During the summer, I can easily get by on less. As an adaptable species, I'm sure if meat becomes scarce or prohibitive in price, that I would be capable of changing my diet or raising my own meat, which I have done in the past.
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    If we were never introduced to eating meat, would we crave it? I think if you can get by or live a healthy lifestyle without eating it then it is a good way.
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    Vegetarian here and have been since 1991

    If I was living on my own with no kids I would most likely be taking steps towards veganism.

    At first it was because primarily down to the ethics of eating meat - it still is (along with reasons such as the environmental expense of farming meat) but after 23 years I don't *need* a reason to be vegetarian, I just *am*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Is there really such a thing as a true vegan? Would all 100% genuine vegans be willing to die in extreme circumstances when there are no plants to kill and consume? Unless all vegans want to commit suicide by way of starvation, they will always have to keep their desire for meat in reserve.
    How is that valid? I'm vegetarian but I have the luxury of a wide selection of food available to me. I don't eat Sanitarium foods on principle but if it were a case of eat Sanitarium foods or die that doesn't negate my current stance on not eating Sanitarium foods on principle.

    (Sanitarium is a maker of breakfast cereals and a lot of vegetarian food but is owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church.)
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    I'm proud that I can eat anything digestible, and prefer my fish and invertebrates live. That's monstrous isn't it?

    On the other hand I have an unsubstantiated fear of accumulating low-level prion disease, so products like batched hamburger are avoided. And though I feel sympathy for the suffering animals I feed off, I don't let sentiment dictate morals in that department. It's just that most meat is of poor quality, like, would I eat an apple that is bland, soft, and loaded with pesticides?

    I find that diet restrictions increase the chance of experiencing foods by themselves. This enables one to get a sense of what that particular food does nutritionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    and prefer my fish and invertebrates live.
    You eat live fish?
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    The phrase "mechanically recovered meat" should be enough to put anyone off eating hamburgers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    The phrase "mechanically recovered meat" should be enough to put anyone off eating hamburgers...
    If "pink slime" doesn't do it, what will?

    Honestly, the best investment you can make if you like burgers is a meat grinder.
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    We have a local butcher shop that offers both beef and bison that is sourced from an individual animal and is ground the same day that it is offered for sale. The corporate stores are processing burger in volume which combines meat from several animals and the packaged ground beef is already three days from grinding when it hits our shelves. No thank you. We used to grind locally at the corporate stores but this is now another way that they can mechanize and reduce staffing costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    You eat live fish?
    Little fishies you chew, so they're dead before you swallow them. And a chunk of sashimi, ideally fresh, will be recoiling and warping as you put it in your mouth. This is monstrous, but for some reason I feel zero sympathy for fish.
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    A salesman is lost in a rural area and stops at a farm to get directions. As he is talking to the farmer he notices a pig with a wooden leg.

    "How did the pig get a wooden leg?", he asks the farmer.
    "Well", says the farmer, "that is a very special pig. One night not too long ago we had a fire start in the barn.
    "Well, sir, that pig set up a great squealing that woke everyone, and by the time we got there he had herded all the other animals out of the barn and saved everyone of them."

    "And that was when he hurt his leg?" asked the salesman.
    "Oh no" says the farmer. "He was fine after that. Though a while later I was in the woods out back and a bear attacked me. Well, sir, that pig was near by and he came running and set on that bear and chased him off. Saved me for sure."

    "So the bear injured his leg then," says the salesman.
    "Oh no. He came away without a scratch from that. Though a few days later my tractor turned over in a ditch and I was knocked unconscious. Well, that pig dove into the ditch and pulled me out before I drowned."

    "So he hurt his leg then?" asks the salesman.
    "Oh no," says the farmer.

    "So how did he get the wooden leg?" the salesman asks.
    "Well", the farmer tells him, "When you have a pig like that, you don't want to eat him all at once."

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    We have a local butcher shop that offers both beef and bison that is sourced from an individual animal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    You eat live fish?
    Little fishies you chew, so they're dead before you swallow them. And a chunk of sashimi, ideally fresh, will be recoiling and warping as you put it in your mouth. This is monstrous, but for some reason I feel zero sympathy for fish.
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    Yes, I find that quite appalling.
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    I'm like a lot of us here. I wish I could become vegetarian, but I am already so much of a picky eater, it's not a good idea to limit my food options even more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    LOL! I avoided the biology forum while eating because I managed to watch something quiet gross there once. So now I scroll through the general forum while eating dinner after workout (Fried chicken with boiled rice and vegetables drowned in bernaise sauce) and I watch this.

    I can conclude that the science forum is not a good place to hang while eating dinner at your computer. That or Im a wimp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
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    You eat live fish?
    Little fishies you chew, so they're dead before you swallow them. And a chunk of sashimi, ideally fresh, will be recoiling and warping as you put it in your mouth. This is monstrous, but for some reason I feel zero sympathy for fish.
    The only people I've heard of eating live fish are drunk guys on a dare while smelt fishing at 1 am. And they usually regret it. Supposedly, a live fishy in ones stomach is a sensation you never forget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anticorncob28 View Post
    I'm like a lot of us here. I wish I could become vegetarian, but I am already so much of a picky eater, it's not a good idea to limit my food options even more!
    That's the thing. It's probably not hard to be a vegetarian, especially all by yourself, but add that to everyone's other preferences - no onions, cucumbers, or green peppers for one family member, and no mushrooms, tomatoes, or squash for someone else, and if you are the cook, you will go insane. There are nights I just want to give up, serve every one a bowl of fruit loops and be done with it.
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    Good meals needn't be concoctions. So keep it simple, cook and serve each ingredient separately. A perfectly microwaved vegetable doesn't need help to be... perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    A perfectly microwaved vegetable
    That's an oxymoron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    This is one of my favorite topics because...

    ....plants eat meat!

    The soil reclaims the flesh and bones of all living things and plants get their nutrients from the soil. We add fishmeal, bonemeal, bloodmeal and calcium to soil and call it organic gardening. Organic Soil Amendments and Organic Fertilizers for Organic Vegetable Growing - West Coast Seeds
    If I should eat a steak or pork tenderloin along the way, I merely speed up the process. Eventually I too will be pushing up daisies whether I am buried or cremated first. The outcome is the same.

    The true moral indignity is the manner in which animals are disrespected in factory farming. That is what needs to be changed, IMO.

    I am an omnivore and I enjoy most meats and veggies. Several of my friends are quite close to being vegetarians. Apparently bacon is one meat that many of them say is the hardest to forsake.
    Scher, you are speaking my language, I will eat anything at the right time. I am energy and so is everything else. If I allow myself to over, or under do anything to my body, I will become ill. I must however say that I know for myself that it is always better to eat your environment because its alive, and better still, eat the environment you were made in. What I mean is, the cells are made up of the environment in which you were conceived . If you look at life from the perspective of physical health, you are better protected by the environment that made you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    What I mean is, the cells are made up of the environment in which you were conceived . If you look at life from the perspective of physical health, you are better protected by the environment that made you.
    If you were conceived in the back of a Bedford van, what should you be eating?
    If you were conceived in 15 Acacia Avenue, would it be bad for your health to move next door to number 17?
    If you were conceived in a plane, would you be able to live on simply air and small bags of peanuts?
    If you weren't conceived in a supermarket, what part of "the environment" should you eat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    eat the environment you were made in.
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    I think Stargate means that we have to eat our own mothers.
    I am not sure if he means figuratively or not - but judging by the effect it has had on him, I suggest that we don't follow his advice.
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    You eat live fish?
    Little fishies you chew, so they're dead before you swallow them. And a chunk of sashimi, ideally fresh, will be recoiling and warping as you put it in your mouth. This is monstrous, but for some reason I feel zero sympathy for fish.
    What has sympathy has to do with eating food?
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    You eat live fish?
    Little fishies you chew, so they're dead before you swallow them. And a chunk of sashimi, ideally fresh, will be recoiling and warping as you put it in your mouth. This is monstrous, but for some reason I feel zero sympathy for fish.
    What has sympathy has to do with eating food?
    It's a human condition wherein we feel ethical issues when it comes to killing another creature. Not everyone feels it. Psychopaths, for instance...
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    If I were to ground up human remains and mix it in with livestock fodder would the beasts (our food) eat it? I'm thinking they would. I may be wrong but I do recall reading that cattle (it might be pigs) are fed some sort of similar product that uses ground up meat as part of the daily regimen.
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    We used to grind up dead livestock and feed it to living livestock until things like bovine spongiform encephalopathy were discovered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    We used to grind up dead livestock and feed it to living livestock until things like bovine spongiform encephalopathy were discovered.
    Then livestock would eat human remains. Every time an animal chows down there's a risk of catching or developing something non-beneficial, including for us.

    Let's say animals become totally dependent on plants. Through millions of years of evolution would not most plants develop a less than palatable taste or even become poisonous? Of course plants could also take advantage of animals eating them and animals could evolve to continue eating them.
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    Let's say animals become totally dependent on plants. Through millions of years of evolution would not most plants develop a less than palatable taste or even become poisonous? Of course plants could also take advantage of animals eating them and animals could evolve to continue eating them.
    Yes - evolution is not one-sided.

    Plants have evolved being unpleasant tasting and/or poisonous.
    But animals have evolved immunity to the toxins.
    For example - birds cannot feel the heat in chillies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Let's say animals become totally dependent on plants. Through millions of years of evolution would not most plants develop a less than palatable taste or even become poisonous? Of course plants could also take advantage of animals eating them and animals could evolve to continue eating them.
    Or the opposite route and become better tasting, with seeds more resistant to the digestive process as an effective means to spread and increase the plant's reproductive success.

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    As for the thread, my wife have reduced our meat consumption over the years...and shifted from mostly beef to mostly poultry; because it's healthier and we both recognize how unsustainable the beef is to American diets. Shellfish or fish is a once a week thing.
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    What I mean is, the cells are made up of the environment in which you were conceived . If you look at life from the perspective of physical health, you are better protected by the environment that made you.
    If you were conceived in the back of a Bedford van, what should you be eating?
    If you were conceived in 15 Acacia Avenue, would it be bad for your health to move next door to number 17?
    If you were conceived in a plane, would you be able to live on simply air and small bags of peanuts?
    If you weren't conceived in a supermarket, what part of "the environment" should you eat?
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    Oh ye with little brain matter, pity has no virtue. Fools rush in where wise men would not enter.
    Don't worry.
    I knew there was no chance of you providing anything close to a rational reply.
    Have you ever thought of seeking help for your condition?
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    We used to grind up dead livestock and feed it to living livestock until things like bovine spongiform encephalopathy were discovered.
    We only stopped recycling proteins through the same species, though. I.e. chicken feathers are mostly valuable protein, they go to cattle feed; then beef bones etc. go to chicken feed. Paradoxically the practice allows us to slaughter cattle at an amazing 12-18 months old, before BSE degeneration grows noticeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    What has sympathy has to do with eating food?
    Unless you are an alien then you, like me, are related to the fish (and vegetables) you eat. I like my relatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
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    Let's say animals become totally dependent on plants. Through millions of years of evolution would not most plants develop a less than palatable taste or even become poisonous? Of course plants could also take advantage of animals eating them and animals could evolve to continue eating them.
    Or the opposite route and become better tasting, with seeds more resistant to the digestive process as an effective means to spread and increase the plant's reproductive success.

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    As for the thread, my wife have reduced our meat consumption over the years...and shifted from mostly beef to mostly poultry; because it's healthier and we both recognize how unsustainable the beef is to American diets. Shellfish or fish is a once a week thing.
    That's what I did Fox. I cut out red meat and sausages and burgers (I never really ate much beef, especially after the BSE scare in the UK back in the 90's).

    I mainly ate chicken and fish. If I look at, or smell a sausage now, it makes me feel sick.
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    For me, the first issue to deal with is not whether people eat meat, it's how much meat people eat in a single meal.

    I'm often horrified when I look through recipes and see how much is expected for each serving. Even when it comes to poultry which most people see as less damaging than red meat, you often see recipes allocating a whole chicken breast per person. I see no good reason why anyone apart from shearers or other people doing really demanding physical work should need so much meat protein in one meal. When we carve up a roasted whole chicken or turkey, we normally only take two or three slices from the breast along with the mountain of roasted vegetables that go with such a meal. A whole breast is just too much.

    And the same thing goes for things like stir-fries and pasta sauces. It seems really extravagant (wasteful, greedy, take your pick) to put so much meat into so many dishes.

    Given the way some people now cook, I reckon that a lot of them could eat meat every day but reduce the total amount of meat by half and still get an entirely adequate supply of protein and a variety of nutrients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    For me, the first issue to deal with is not whether people eat meat, it's how much meat people eat in a single meal.

    I'm often horrified when I look through recipes and see how much is expected for each serving. Even when it comes to poultry which most people see as less damaging than red meat, you often see recipes allocating a whole chicken breast per person. I see no good reason why anyone apart from shearers or other people doing really demanding physical work should need so much meat protein in one meal. When we carve up a roasted whole chicken or turkey, we normally only take two or three slices from the breast along with the mountain of roasted vegetables that go with such a meal. A whole breast is just too much.

    And the same thing goes for things like stir-fries and pasta sauces. It seems really extravagant (wasteful, greedy, take your pick) to put so much meat into so many dishes.

    Given the way some people now cook, I reckon that a lot of them could eat meat every day but reduce the total amount of meat by half and still get an entirely adequate supply of protein and a variety of nutrients.
    I thoroughly agree with you on this Adelady. Most times the problem we have with food is quantity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    What has sympathy has to do with eating food?
    Unless you are an alien then you, like me, are related to the fish (and vegetables) you eat. I like my relatives.
    I am sorry John, I love all the animals and everything else, I would do anything to keep them alive, however when it comes to food, I free myself of sympathy, I do not think I could eat if I felt sorry for a cucumber. I use my mind to change food into energy.
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