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Thread: Aliens instead of Gods, No Heaven or Hell, Facts over Fiction

  1. #1 Aliens instead of Gods, No Heaven or Hell, Facts over Fiction 
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    We are moving to the age of enlightenment when we noticed that so many abstract beliefs we were brought up with have never been confirmed, and seem not to exist.. i am not a rebel or non-comformist, i just happen to be someone who has seen men rise to the age of gods, and seen that we can do anything, it just takes time, i have some beliefs about evolution, life after death and the likes but they are not abstract, they are based on whats real and whats not, is there anyone who thinks this way.. like there is no best religion, there is nothing like judgement by any gods after death... that they are other beings existing in other realms...


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    hey sorry i forgot to add, i am new here.. happy new year to everyone


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    This is the part of Ancient Aliens that I like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    i just happen to be someone who has seen men rise to the age of gods, and seen that we can do anything, it just takes time
    Yeah?
    Can we cure cancer?
    Can set up a viable community on another planet?
    Can we end famine?

    i have some beliefs about evolution, life after death and the likes but they are not abstract, they are based on whats real and whats not
    Please, tell us what's "real" about life after death.

    there is nothing like judgement by any gods after death... that they are other beings existing in other realms...
    I do hope you mean that "beings that exist in other realms" also fall under the heading of "there is nothing like...". But I get the impression you don't mean that.
    In which case tell us what's "real" about those too, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    i just happen to be someone who has seen men rise to the age of gods, and seen that we can do anything, it just takes time
    Yeah?
    Can we cure cancer?
    Can set up a viable community on another planet?
    Can we end famine?.
    We're not there yet but we can turn on our TEEVEE without having to walk over to it... we have TEEVEE
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
    we have TEEVEE
    I don't.
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    Me neither...
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    Firstly, Dywyddyr I'm back, secondly let's hear your ideas now and we can dispute them later.. So what are these ideas on evolution
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    i just happen to be someone who has seen men rise to the age of gods, and seen that we can do anything, it just takes time
    Yeah?Can we cure cancer?Can set up a viable community on another planet?Can we end famine?
    i have some beliefs about evolution, life after death and the likes but they are not abstract, they are based on whats real and whats not
    Please, tell us what's "real" about life after death.
    there is nothing like judgement by any gods after death... that they are other beings existing in other realms...
    I do hope you mean that "beings that exist in other realms" also fall under the heading of "there is nothing like...". But I get the impression you don't mean that.In which case tell us what's "real" about those too, please.
    "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error; but who does strive to do deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakesyl View Post
    Firstly, Dywyddyr I'm back


    secondly let's hear your ideas now and we can dispute them later.. So what are these ideas on evolution
    You appear to have missed the slight fact that my post consisted largely of questions/ requests for elucidation on someone else's claims.
    Therefore I have no idea why you're asking for my "ideas".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    i just happen to be someone who has seen men rise to the age of gods, and seen that we can do anything
    Maybe Greek gods, insofar as we cannot get along, murder over petty squabbles, and screw everything that moves.

    Methinks some humans are overestimating humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    We are moving to the age of enlightenment when we noticed that so many abstract beliefs we were brought up with have never been confirmed, and seem not to exist..
    Age of enlightenment?
    Roman Catholics increase by a third in Africa and Asia.
    Around one half of Americans believe God was involved in some way in the creation or evolution of man.
    25% of the UK believes in astrology.
    Et cetera.

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    i am not a rebel or non-comformist,
    You sound as if you think that is a good thing. Do you?


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    i just happen to be someone who has seen men rise to the age of gods, and seen that we can do anything, it just takes time,
    Anything? Really? How do you account for the diversity of armed conflict; how long does it take to eradicate slavery; why do thousands of children die uneccessarily ever day; why is terrorism rampant; just how long are our god like powers going to take to sort this out?

    i have some beliefs about evolution, life after death and the likes but they are not abstract,
    Excellent. Please provide us with concrete details of these concrete beliefs.

    they are based on whats real and whats not, is there anyone who thinks this way.
    Yes, most of the regular members of this forum. Would you explain how your belief in life after death, which you imply is positive, is based on what is real.

    like there is no best religion, there is nothing like judgement by any gods after death
    I am confused. These are commonplace views, yet you present them as if they were groundbreaking. Is it, perhaps, the case that you have been raised in a community composed largely of devout believers in one of the major religions?
    that they are other beings existing in other realms...
    What do you mean by other realms? Other planets, other dimensions, other universes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    We are moving to the age of enlightenment ...
    You are about 350 years to late.
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    i will not give an answer in years about when cancer will be cured and those other questions not cos i dont want to but cos the best answer is that man will get there.. when you follow the story of man through archaeology and research, you will admire these beings called man who rose from being one of the weakest animals on this planet to being the most dominant.. a couple of millions of years ago, who knew about planes, telephone, internet and i know in another couple of million years, man will keep evolving.. someone asked me will man fly, i said watch in a million years, we likely will.. what differentiates men from beasts in beasts cope with where they exist, man dreams the unthinkable and makes it feasible.. thats what gods do... i will add a quote from wiki answers to answer the question about whether aliens exist.. prehistoric men documented visits out of space, they called them gods, they are the closest reality to what is termed "gods" as different cultures and civilizations recorded these visits with similar documentation.. considering the number of galaxies, its easier to deduce scientifically there are aliens rather than believing in abstract gods..

    Wikianswers;
    There is an astronomical number of planets in the universe. We are only now beginning to be able to "see" planets around other stars because of the vast distances that exist between us and them. How many there actually are is anyone's guess.


    What we know about galaxies is that the ones we observe contain 200-400 billion stars each. Our solar system contains 8 planets. If we assume each star has 1 planet, and not more, and we average a galaxy to 300 billion stars we can deduce:


    The Hubble Deep Field image contains 10,000 galaxies. At 2.5 arcminutes, that's roughly 1/2,000,000 of the visible universe in any direction. So if we multiply 3,000,000,000 x 10,000 x 2,000,000 we get 6 sextillion or 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the visible universe. It is likely much more than that.
    Billions certainly, probably billions OF billions. In the last two years since the launch of the Kepler Space Telescope, our "known planet count" has gone from eight to "thousands", and more are discovered every month. It begins to appear that planets are as common as, well, "dirt".
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    I can never write about any life after death and if you care to know my belief, its that there is no life after death, simple and straight.
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    So, essentially, you're not going to answer ANY of the points raised but, instead, make further unsupported guesses and resort to woo claims.
    So much for "science" and "not fiction".
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    science doesnt believe in life after death, science is documented, i only work with documented facts and not emotions.. and please do not be so judgmental and aggressive, you do not know it all as i dont, every human is free to think anyway he or she wants because its in us to use our brain how we like, share ideas and stop playing interrogator.. we all want to learn new things not have someone just shooting our thoughts down, thats what brought me here.. support my claims or show me where i got it wrong and stop asking lame questions..thanks.. nice to meet you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    science doesnt believe in life after death, science is documented
    Whut?

    i only work with documented facts
    Belied by your previous post. AND the OP.

    you do not know it all
    You hope.

    as i dont
    That's obvious.

    every human is free to think anyway he or she wants because its in us to use our brain how we like
    But you're not entitled to your own "facts".

    stop playing interrogator.. support my claims or show me where i got it wrong and stop asking lame questions..thanks.. nice to meet you
    It's up to YOU to support YOUR claims: something you have signally failed to do.
    As for "showing you where you got it wrong" how about all the questions that have been asked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    science doesnt believe in life after death
    Why are you personifying science? Science doesn't believe anything. It's just the best process we have for evaluating our universe.

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    science is documented, i only work with documented facts and not emotions..
    I know this is a common fallback for creationists, but the reality is that it is fine to practice science and still have emotions. Not all of us have elected to have that part of our brain removed....yet.

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    every human is free to think anyway he or she wants because its in us to use our brain how we like
    That's not very scientific. You're absolutely free to think what you like, so long as you don't mind being wrong.

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    share ideas and stop playing interrogator.. we all want to learn new things not have someone just shooting our thoughts down, thats what brought me here.. support my claims or show me where i got it wrong and stop asking lame questions
    Unfortunately, when we point out the errors in your logic, you seem to get upset. I think what brought you here was a desire to revel in religion-hating with other like-minded individuals. We're not all so petty, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    .. we all want to learn new things not have someone just shooting our thoughts down, thats what brought me here.. support my claims or show me where i got it wrong and stop asking lame questions..
    Moderator Advice: this is a discussion forum. When you make an assertion you are expected to support it and to respond to any reasonable questions or points raised. Please do so. Members are not only free to 'interrogate', but when unusual claims are made they are encouraged to do so.
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    I didn't know one could make less sense than claiming deities made the universe.
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    I am happy I got the attention of the "elite" members on this forum lol, means i am striking some chords, i am doing something right i guess.. you will have to do more to stop me from expanding my thought process.. its nice reading your posts though, i learn from it, even though not everyone says the most intelligent things, i am still happy with the snippets of wisdom i get from your posts lol i came here to know more, talk for yourself, lemme talk for myself barrister
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    means i am striking some chords
    None we haven't essentially seen before.

    i am doing something right i guess.
    Not from where I'm sitting.

    you will have to do more to stop me from expanding my thought process.
    Don't. Pretty please.

    its nice reading your posts though, i learn from it
    You haven't learned to post support for your claims nor answer questions, apparently.

    even though not everyone says the most intelligent things
    Yup. The OP (and all your other posts) being a prime example of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    We are moving to the age of enlightenment ...
    You are about 350 years to late.
    This is interesting, I hope I am understanding you correctly. Are saying 350 years ago we were not enlightened? How do you classify enlightenment?
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    The Age of Enlightenment is a specific period in western history that saw an explosion of technology, science, industrial innovation, etc. Google is your friend.
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    ~ Welcome to a newbie.. Your idea that aliens were the Gods.. Is what strikes a chord ( nerve ). It's a daft idea that has been put away long ago. Do not let the thought police stop you from asking, Just be careful with how you say it. Most of the contributors here would demand more than ' I think '.. They and I would want testable science. ( Like you would.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    lemme talk for myself barrister
    A barrister who defends himself has a fool for a client.
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