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    Hello to everyone, especially you environmentalists or people who care about where our planet is headed. Some months ago I got together with some friends and we formed this organization called... Smart People. Our basic goal is to get everyone thinking about where and what our planet is headed to, to get politicans either to understand or to kick them out of their spots, and to spread the hydrogen word. Currently we are working on a tricky city councillor here in Toronto who is totally against bike lanes and is fighting to get some lanes removed from a main street. Anyways, to find out more you can visit my website at www.lafamillemasse.com/pierre/smart_people.htm - Enjoy!


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    i am not sure where you stand, but will guess you approve of bike routes and feel the planet has 10 years to go, if we don't reform.

    on the bike routes; many cities in the US have very complicated and costly routes. the original idea was to get them off the sidewalks, but turned to a panic by environmentalist. we now have thousands of miles if not hundreds of thousand of unused roadway, where cars are in traffic jams equal to the lost roadway. they (the activist) were finally stopped when they went after the interstates. in the meantime no one uses the bike routes. when i say no one, that means zero usage.

    i have no idea what your thinking on "where we are heading", but i will suggest, where ever we are heading is not where Al Gore, thinks it going...


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    i know you mean well, but i know a lot of smart people, and i consider myself smart (not to be cocky), but you dont have to think about where the planet is headed and all that liberal mumbo jumbo to be smart.


    i know a lot of people who have the additude, screw it, i wont be alive for much too longer.
    i ripped this off of someone else's signature, but i felt that it equally applied to me.
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    Smart? Only recently I was to a conference organised by an environmentalist organisation that accepted "An Inconvenient Truth" as a new bible.
    Indeed, environmentalism can be best seen as a new form of eschatology, not as anything remotely smart. Indeed, 'scientific consensus' is meaningless - published articles in peer-reviewed journals are meaningful, and the sad state of affairs is that we know way too little about the environment and how it behaves.
    'Yes', environmentalists say, 'we can predict the weather in 10 years, but not in 10 days'.

    Suddenly we are to assume that a subtle increase in temperature will cause a cataclysmic increase in temperature via water vapour, rather than automatically finding balance (which is more likely, seeing as temperature and such follows a up/down trend).

    As for hydrogen - that doesn't make much difference if the source of the energy is still coal or oil. Is Nuclear Power Smart?

    Finally, your bike lanes. I don't know Toronto - I have never visited the New World, let alone have any knowledge of the biking behaviour of Toronto's citizens. If there is actual economic loss due to too few people using them, I can understand his position and I doubt you can convince him.
    My advice is to get together with other groups and motivate Toronto to use a bike, if only to gain more leverage against such councillors.

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    The down-side of using a bike is that you might live long enough to be drowned by the rising waters rather than suffer a heart attack through obesity...
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    Well if all you people come up with is critisism then I guess I might as well give up the idea of getting some of you on our side.

    If you visited my website you may have seen that my notion of "smart" is not knowing 10 000 formulas off by heart and understanding quantum physics. Although that is smart too, it is just a different type of smart.

    Toronto's bike lanes are a huge problem. Maybe I should havbe explained this first. There are so many bikers in Toronto yet there are not enough bike lanes for them. What happens is that the bikers have to bike on the road, unprotected from the cars. The car drivers are often hostile and they end up getting mad at the bikers because they think the bikers take up too much space. As if cars own the road.

    Finally, hydrogen. Yes, it is true there are many obstacles in the way. Including, I see, many peoples' opinions. We believe that we can use nuclear energy to make cheap and reliable hydrogen while R&D goes on in the fields of solar, wind, and geothermal energy. When we have these technologies to such a point where they are as efficient and reliable as nuclear then we will be able to slowly phase out nuclear energy. However, nuclear fusion still holds a huge promise. The first nuclear fusion reactor is going up in the south of France and I can't wait to see the results. If that technology goes through then we will have a clean, cheap, and reliable source of energy that will go on to take over oil's role (with hydrogen as its side-kick).

    Truly I believe there is a way out of this. However, we need public opinion, and lots of help for this "revolution" to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The P-manator
    Well if all you people come up with is critisism then I guess I might as well give up the idea of getting some of you on our side.
    It's strange that you automatically assume critisism to be a bad thing. Like someone slashing your tires, dumping garbage on your lawn or accusing you of witchcraft. No. Critisism is not a bad thing, it is a constructive thing. Perhaps you should listen.

    And yes - consensual science is all but retarded. If youre only trying to help better our methods of energy consumption and waste disposal, then great! No really....I mean that. I wish you the best. But trying to convince the rest of us "Non Smart People" that mankind alone is causing the worlds environment to go to s**t simply because "...a whole buncha' scientist said so.." Well, I know I won't be interested.
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    p-man; why is it your motorist are upset with the bikers? are they the motorist the minority, trying to control the majority the bikers? why then if Canada uses these lanes, do they not in the US? a way out of what? finally just what is it your revolting against?

    if its global warming, you should really be enjoying this cycle in nature.
    check you climate stats from the 50's to the 70's. do you really want your countrymen to live in sub-zero temperatures four or five months on end year after year or dig out of record snowfalls day after day in the spring or fall. these things were and these things will again be. the cycle will end and your counterparts will need to switch back to global cooling, for a cause, as it once was.

    is there something keeping you from producing solar power or wind power for your use or even a group getting together and creating a community to conform to what you feel is correct? do you really think getting a few like minded together in support of an issue will accomplish things you could easily do for your self? or is it you want others to pay for a world you feel is the correct world should be?

    we all want clean water and breath refreshing air, trash off the street and all the things many do daily for our benefit. we appreciate constructive conversations with some logic and understanding of the planets real behavior. nature is what it is and will not respond to your group or the desires of any or all humans. there are some real problems facing mankind that your time and efforts could address...
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    Well if all you people come up with is critisism then I guess I might as well give up the idea of getting some of you on our side.

    If you visited my website you may have seen that my notion of "smart" is not knowing 10 000 formulas off by heart and understanding quantum physics. Although that is smart too, it is just a different type of smart.

    Toronto's bike lanes are a huge problem. Maybe I should havbe explained this first. There are so many bikers in Toronto yet there are not enough bike lanes for them. What happens is that the bikers have to bike on the road, unprotected from the cars. The car drivers are often hostile and they end up getting mad at the bikers because they think the bikers take up too much space. As if cars own the road.

    Finally, hydrogen. Yes, it is true there are many obstacles in the way. Including, I see, many peoples' opinions. We believe that we can use nuclear energy to make cheap and reliable hydrogen while R&D goes on in the fields of solar, wind, and geothermal energy. When we have these technologies to such a point where they are as efficient and reliable as nuclear then we will be able to slowly phase out nuclear energy. However, nuclear fusion still holds a huge promise. The first nuclear fusion reactor is going up in the south of France and I can't wait to see the results. If that technology goes through then we will have a clean, cheap, and reliable source of energy that will go on to take over oil's role (with hydrogen as its side-kick).

    Truly I believe there is a way out of this. However, we need public opinion, and lots of help for this "revolution" to work.

    Perhaps if all the bikers got back in their cars, traffic would come to a standstill - grid lock and the 4x4 monkeys would then realise that bikers aren't such a bad thing after all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    The down-side of using a bike is that you might live long enough to be drowned by the rising waters rather than suffer a heart attack through obesity...
    And to compensate, I smoke cigars

    It's strange that you automatically assume critisism to be a bad thing. Like someone slashing your tires, dumping garbage on your lawn or accusing you of witchcraft. No. Critisism is not a bad thing, it is a constructive thing. Perhaps you should listen.

    And yes - consensual science is all but retarded. If youre only trying to help better our methods of energy consumption and waste disposal, then great! No really....I mean that. I wish you the best. But trying to convince the rest of us "Non Smart People" that mankind alone is causing the worlds environment to go to s**t simply because "...a whole buncha' scientist said so.." Well, I know I won't be interested.
    Indeed. In fact, as it was defined on the website, smart people comes across as quite belligerent to one's opponents I would think.

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    Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like that. I enjoy constructive critisism. I am revolting against politicians and leaders and public opinion to change them and replace them with "green" leaders and public opinion.
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