Notices
Results 1 to 30 of 30
Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By Strange

Thread: String theory idea and nothingness is impossible ??

  1. #1 String theory idea and nothingness is impossible ?? 
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    Hi I was thinking about string theory in a lecture I was taking, the class I was sitting was describing how there is no such thing as nothing, and that there are quarks bursting in an out of existence, making nothingness implausible. Then I remembered that string theory says that we must have 11 dimensions to make it possible, I was thinking that maybe we are just seeing quarks zip from one dimension to another dimension and as they "zip" over from one to another it looks like there bursting in and out of existence, so that when they enter the dimension we can no longer see them but while there zipping across we can measure there energy untill they enter the next dimension there zipping across to, what do you think ?


    Reply With Quote  
     

  2.  
     

  3. #2  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,759
    "Dimension" in physics doesn't mean what it does in science fiction, or even popular understanding: it's not something that is "entered" or "zipped across to".
    Therefore it's unlikely that your idea is correct.


    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #3  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    I am well aware of that. But if a sub atomic particle really could travel into another dimension which there is no fact saying that it cant, then therefore it makes perfect sense that this is what we are measuring/observing as it "passes from one dimension to another "
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #4  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,759
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    I am well aware of that. But if a sub atomic particle really could travel into another dimension which there is no fact saying that it cant, then therefore it makes perfect sense that this is what we are measuring/observing as it "passes from one dimension to another "
    Of course there's "no fact saying that it cant", because it's a meaningless phrase.
    One more time: a dimension is not something you "travel into".
    Nor do things "pass from one to another" dimension.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #5  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    Not true, infact it is theorised that the Gravition does exactly that, which is why a Gravition has not yet been observed, so if anything that add testament to the theory that particals can infact travel through dimensions, also the neutrinos in Italy travel'd " faster than light " OR they left our dimension to re enter it, which does not break a single law of physics and is still well with in general relativity of " nothing travels faster than light "
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #6  
    Moderator Moderator Cogito Ergo Sum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    2,507
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    Not true, infact it is theorised that the Gravition does exactly that, which is why a Gravition has not yet been observed, so if anything that add testament to the theory that particals can infact travel through dimensions, also the neutrinos in Italy travel'd " faster than light " OR they left our dimension to re enter it, which does not break a single law of physics and is still well with in general relativity of " nothing travels faster than light "

    [citation needed]
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

    ~ Arthur Schopenhauer, The Art of Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument (1831), Stratagem XXXVIII.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #7  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,759
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    Not true, infact it is theorised that the Gravition does exactly that
    I assume you mean graviton?
    Citation needed.

    so if anything that add testament to the theory that particals can infact travel through dimensions
    Unsupported bullshit.

    also the neutrinos in Italy travel'd " faster than light "
    And this.

    OR they left our dimension to re enter it
    And this.

    which does not break a single law of physics
    Crap.
    There's nothing in physics about "leaving dimensions".
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #8  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    You need to do your research, you saying that facts are bullshit, If you are really saying that there is nothing is quantum physics about leaving dimensions then I really do suggest that you find something else to study because saying that there is nothing in quantum pyhsics about leaving dimensions is like saying the wheel is not round. so what you are saying is how you put "CRAP"
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #9  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    Also here is a source for you, to prove I am correct and you are not.
    "Gravitons can move between dimensions because like light they are mass-less, but unlike light they move infinitely faster. Just as x-rays travel faster than light in space, as its wavelength is different, so does the graviton because its wavelength is different from that of the photon. This is why the gravitational force points from true to true while light points from retarded to true. The only difference between visible light and x-rays is the vibrational frequency and wavelength. By the same hypothesis, the only difference between a photon and a graviton would be the gravitons vibrational frequency and its wavelength, enabling it to exceed the speed of c just as an x-ray does."


    And here is another source :
    Graviton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #10  
    Bullshit Intolerant PhDemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
    Posts
    4,496
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    saying that there is nothing in quantum pyhsics about leaving dimensions is like saying the wheel is not round. so what you are saying is how you put "CRAP"
    Citation needed.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #11  
    Bullshit Intolerant PhDemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
    Posts
    4,496
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    Also here is a source for you, to prove I am correct and you are not.
    "Gravitons can move between dimensions because like light they are mass-less, but unlike light they move infinitely faster. Just as x-rays travel faster than light in space, as its wavelength is different, so does the graviton because its wavelength is different from that of the photon. This is why the gravitational force points from true to true while light points from retarded to true. The only difference between visible light and x-rays is the vibrational frequency and wavelength. By the same hypothesis, the only difference between a photon and a graviton would be the gravitons vibrational frequency and its wavelength, enabling it to exceed the speed of c just as an x-ray does."


    And here is another source :
    Graviton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Where does the first quote come from because it looks like bullshit to me. (PS when you give a citation a source is nice not an unattributed quote). The wikipedia link contains nothing that supports your claim, try again.

    PPS This sounds a lot like Ninja Pancakes, the level of arrogant cluelessness is similar -- possible sockpuppet hypothesised.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #12  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,759
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    You need to do your research, you saying that facts are bullshit
    Nope, I'm saying your "facts" aren't actually facts.

    If you are really saying that there is nothing is quantum physics about leaving dimensions then I really do suggest that you find something else to study because saying that there is nothing in quantum pyhsics about leaving dimensions is like saying the wheel is not round.
    Bullshit.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    Also here is a source for you, to prove I am correct and you are not.
    "Gravitons can move between dimensions because like light they are mass-less, but unlike light they move infinitely faster. Just as x-rays travel faster than light in space, as its wavelength is different, so does the graviton because its wavelength is different from that of the photon. This is why the gravitational force points from true to true while light points from retarded to true. The only difference between visible light and x-rays is the vibrational frequency and wavelength. By the same hypothesis, the only difference between a photon and a graviton would be the gravitons vibrational frequency and its wavelength, enabling it to exceed the speed of c just as an x-ray does."

    Oh good.
    I'm now thoroughly convinced.
    An unattributed piece of nonsense.

    And here is another source :
    And that says gravitons (or other particles) "move between dimensions" where?
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #13  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    Im new to this forum so I assumed that what it ment.
    Here is my source ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BRhjntvGoE

    s
    kip to 4.25 it explains the gravition as a closed loop that can pass through dimensions.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #14  
    Bullshit Intolerant PhDemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
    Posts
    4,496
    Yootube is not a valid source. any crank can post a youtube video and you appear to have fallen for one of them. Peer-reviewed literature references are preferred.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #15  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,759
    You mean 6:12.
    So you're using a speculative theory to support other speculation.

    Still waiting for a link to the bullshit quote you gave.
    You still haven't posted any facts.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #16  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    the video posting is an actual programme by BBC backed up by CERN, Of corse its a speculative theory, string theory its self is a speculative theory as well as my theory, nothing is concrete, all I am merely stating is that it is speculatively possible. I posted this on two other websites and other people said its a good idea but its impossible to prove unless string theory is proved, which is fair enough. Tomorrow I will gather all the links I can master to prove it.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  18. #17  
    Bullshit Intolerant PhDemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
    Posts
    4,496
    Believe it or not just because it is on the BBC doesn't make it true, they are a media outlet not scientists. Backed up by CERN, well, they may have given some interviews but I'm willing to bet they had no say in what was broadcast, that would be down to a producer/editor at the BBC who probably knows as much physics as my sisters cat (I actually know some TV people who drink in my local pub, they are only interested in ratings, content is often a very secondary concern). What people on other websites think is not really relevant, I mean will you go back to those websites and report that we disagree with you? Thought not. Please don't spam a load of speculative yootube nonsense, if they are papers that contain actual physics fair enough but if not...
    Reply With Quote  
     

  19. #18  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,759
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    Of corse its a speculative theory, string theory its self is a speculative theory as well as my theory, nothing is concrete, all I am merely stating is that it is speculatively possible.
    Hmm:
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience
    You need to do your research, you saying that facts are bullshit
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience
    Also here is a source for you, to prove I am correct and you are not.
    Tomorrow I will gather all the links I can master to prove it.
    You can't prove it because your claims are bullshit.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  20. #19  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    PHdemon you are so stupid its unreal infact both of you are, where in your tiny minds do you not understand the angle of which I am coming from, let me put it in ABC for you because its to difficult for you to grasp, I am saying, if it is possible for a particle to travel to another dimension, ( im not saying that it is possible nor am I saying that it is not ) then my theory could be a reasonable explanation for what it is going on, I'm not spamming I'm brainstorming, please go and learn the difference.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  21. #20  
    Bullshit Intolerant PhDemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
    Posts
    4,496
    Wow, What a compelling argument

    You're talking nonsense (literally), not science, moving between dimensions as you propose makes no sense, please go and learn what a dimension is. What is more stupid, sticking to logic, rationality and reality or making stuff up? (Clue, it's what you do.) You don't have a theory, please go and learn what a scientific theory is, what you have is unsupported bullshit, please go and learn the difference, in fact just please go and stop posting drivel here.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  22. #21  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    Also, though I am sceptical myself but here is a theory where neutrinos "dimension hop"
    Dimension-hop may allow neutrinos to cheat light speed - physics-math - 23 September 2011 - New Scientist
    Reply With Quote  
     

  23. #22  
    Bullshit Intolerant PhDemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
    Posts
    4,496
    You really need to keep up with the literature in science, that was debunked in the same publication a matter of months later:

    Faster-than-light neutrinos dealt another blow - physics-math - 04 January 2012 - New Scientist

    for other sources debunking the claim see here:

    Physics News :: Once Again, Physicists Debunk Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos
    Reply With Quote  
     

  24. #23  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    That's fair enough, as I already said I was sceptical about it do begin with I knew it had something to do with a mechanical fault, but before it was debunked it caused a lot of debate that it might just MIGHT be possible, not impossible, which is my point exactly.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  25. #24  
    Universal Mind John Galt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    14,169
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    PHdemon you are so stupid its unreal infact both of you are, where in your tiny minds do you not understand the angle of which I am coming from,
    Moderator Warning: Cease the personal attacks and focus on the facts.

    Moderator Comment: You may get further along in your discussion if you explain how you can move between dimensions. For example how does a particle move from length to breadth? Or from height to time? Or from dimension 7 to dimension 11? It is the apparent illogic of this claim that others are objecting to. You need either to acknowledge you are mistaken or provide serious evidence in support of the assertion. A BBC documentary (much as I revere the BBC) will not suffice.

    Personal advice. In a brainstorming session make it clear from the outset what you are doing, else you will be misidentified as a crank.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  26. #25  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    Fine, yes I was a little out of line but it irritates me when people can not grasp what it is I am trying to say and calling something that is not bullshit infact bullshit. I am merely brainstorming.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  27. #26  
    Bullshit Intolerant PhDemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
    Posts
    4,496
    I find it irritating when people make unsupported assertions against mainstream science and expect to be taken seriously. :shrug:
    Reply With Quote  
     

  28. #27  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    10,759
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    I am merely brainstorming.
    Then why did you state that you were posting facts?

    Fine, yes I was a little out of line but it irritates me when people can not grasp what it is I am trying to say and calling something that is not bullshit infact bullshit.
    Not in fact bullshit?
    Yet to be shown.
    You haven't supported any of your claims so far.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  29. #28  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    13
    bump
    Reply With Quote  
     

  30. #29  
    Bullshit Intolerant PhDemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
    Posts
    4,496
    Instead of posting "bump" why not try and support your claims?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  31. #30  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    16,585
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanofthescience View Post
    bump
    Ascended likes this.
    Without wishing to overstate my case, everything in the observable universe definitely has its origins in Northamptonshire -- Alan Moore
    Reply With Quote  
     

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 1
    Last Post: July 2nd, 2013, 04:51 PM
  2. Relating Quantum Field Theory with String Theory
    By MaxH in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: June 1st, 2013, 12:01 AM
  3. Replies: 14
    Last Post: November 15th, 2012, 02:07 AM
  4. Really depressing theory, say its impossible so i can sleep.
    By Raziell in forum Astronomy & Cosmology
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: January 9th, 2010, 06:01 AM
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •