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December 7th, 2013, 02:24 PM
I thought this was worth sharing and discussing. Wasn't sure of where to post it, but figured it might fit here. I'm not an atheist, I hold an agnostic view now...but thought this was a pretty cool and insightful read. An Open Letter To Christians: Merry Christmas From An Atheist | Atheist Oasis – A Rational Refuge
Skimmed through the over six thousand words blog entry, and I'm still not sure how that qualifies as insightful. Care to elaborate?Originally Posted by wegs
Insightful perhaps for those who tend to view atheism as an enemy of Christmas, and the holiday season, in general. Many Christians really don't understand atheism, and often misconstrue its meaning. It is lengthy, sorry.Skimmed through the over six thousand words blog entry, and I'm still not sure how that qualifies as insightful. Care to elaborate?
It is an opinionated piece no doubt, but...important to note is that many Christians believe that there is a'war against Christmas' being waged by non-Christians and atheists, and by and large, that is simply not true.
I don't see how this relates to philosophy and I didn't find it insightful.
It seems when you discount someone's beliefs, the believer takes offense to it - hence the perceived War on Christmas by some Christians. I doubt that those those individuals will be moved away from that perception from reading this blog.
Sigh, this is another Only Orange is a Fruit fallacy that I see all too often. Can you name me another non-abrahamic but religious holiday?
Subscribers of the abrahamic religions aren't the only religious people around if you weren't already aware.Many Christians really don't understand atheism, and often misconstrue its meaning. It is lengthy, sorry.
" atheism as an enemy of Christmas, and the holiday season, in general."
I have not read the blog but can tell you I am fully atheist and like Christmas, Im not pagan/witch/whatever and like Halloween. To me its not religious though, the same way I dont think of jesus each time I write the date with a 2013, 2013 year is part of my shared heritage, I dont worship Jupiter nor Mars, yet I dont want these planet names to be changed, they are part of humanities cultural heritage along with the stories of olympian demi-gods etc and the travels of Odysseus. If Christmas brings happiness to my and other kids thats what I judge it by, the parts of culture that make people unhappy or that have no place can be thrown in the garbage can, those that make peope happy and/or dont cause problems Im fine with, planet "Mars" is planet "Mars" no problem for me.
The blog is about Christmas, not another religious holiday. So, not sure of your point, scooby. And...I think I should have placed this in the 'general' section, mr mojo. Yep. I wasn't sure where to put it, really. Mods, please move to 'general'...thanks.
I loathe Christmas and it has nothing to do with religion.
That having been said, I couldn't make it through the entire blog. I can't make it through most blogs, though.
Also, I'm completely with the Pope on this one. I may not be a religious person, but I'd actually like to meet this Pope.
Yes, agree. It's not a religious holiday...it started as a pagan celebration...so, which leads me to wonder why Christians get offended if the attention and focus on Christmas isn't squarely based upon religion. I once followed Christianity, and never felt offended as such. I think the author is merely pointing out his own observations and there are some Ive noticed myself, from both angles...being religious and now, not being religious.
He seems to be very interested in bringing about unity, between non religious and religious types. That should be viewed as a positive thing, I'd think.Oh...why do you loathe Christmas may I ask? I don't care for it, either...mainly because it is commercialized, and accentuates the bad points of capitalism.
** Note: I asked Kalster in a pm to move this thread to the general section....lol My apologies. I'm not a good judge of where threads should be posted, sometimes. :/
The reasons I dislike Christmas are many. I don't like that it is supposed to celebrate togetherness, yet we use it as a talking point for religious conflict. I don't like that we are expected to save money all year and spend it at billion dollar conglomerates as a show of love to our family. I don't like that Christmas is built around lies and historical misinterpretations. I don't like that the insatiable, all-consuming void of Christmas has swallowed up everything meaningful from Thanksgiving to New Year's Eve.
Basically, I don't like much of anything about the holiday. It's nothing but a capitalist wet dream and it always ends with me feeling guilty for receiving a bunch of gifts I know were expensive and which I don't think I earned. It's a meaningless parade of American gluttony and greed and I find it disgusting.
P.S. Bah humbug.
The point was that an atheistic stance is pretty much all encompassing with regards to theistic claims; religious or otherwise. I'd brought up the fallacy to remind readers that the opposite of christians are non-christians; and not atheists. A monotheist holds an atheistic stance (similar to an atheist) with regards to other religious deities too.
The reason I'd asked for another non-abrahamic but theistic holiday was to hint that it is somewhat odd that atheists may wish to target a singular and specific religion above others. If they do in-fact do so, they are victims of the Only Orange is a Fruit fallacy in how they formulate their thoughts on the subject of theism and religions.
lol @ bah humbug Wish I could give you more than ‘one’ like for this comment. I agree with much of what you say here, however, I do hold inside some fond memories of the holiday from my childhood. Growing up with a father who made a ‘big deal’ about it as a kid, it is a time of year that brings forth both warm and yet melancholy feelings. I do agree with what you say here, from a gluttonous aspect. I find it also to be a season that promotes the whole elitist and classist way of thinking that has been all too pervasive in our society. This isn’t to say that people can’t come up with their own traditions surrounding the day that are modest in nature…they certainly can. But, these are my own pet peeves, relating to it. I enjoy the holiday season in some regards, but for those mentioned; it detracts from the potentially good aspects of it, to me.
Personally I'm not religious but that doesn't really have a lot to do with christmas to me. Whether religious or not the same christmas songs are played, thanks for this Slade, Wizard & Mariah, we still have christmas decorations in our towns, cities and homes, we still give and get presents and we also send out cards.
But christmas is about that special magical time of year when it just ok indulge, over eat & drink and be nice to folks. But for me the best part about christmas is watching children opening their presents on christmas morning, don't think much can beat that one
Ah, I see where you are coming from, now. And I agree (and appreciate) you posting the 'reminder'. That is a great point. (I don't know if the author wouldn't agree with you based solely on this blog, but fair enough.)The point was that an atheistic stance is pretty much all encompassing with regards to theistic claims; religious or otherwise. I'd brought up the fallacy to remind readers that the opposite of christians are non-christians; and not atheists. A monotheist holds an atheistic stance (similar to an atheist) with regards to other religious deities too.
The reason I'd asked for another non-abrahamic but theistic holiday was to hint that it is somewhat odd that atheists may wish to target a singular and specific religion above others. If they do in-fact do so, they are victims of the Only Orange is a Fruit fallacy in how they formulate their thoughts on the subject of theism and religions.
To your other point....Because Christmas is so over blown and commercialized in the media, I honestly can’t think of another ‘’religious’’ holiday that has remotely the same social struggle. It still leads me to wonder why Christians feel it is a religious holiday to begin with—I mean I know why the story of the birth of Jesus came about and this time of year chosen…but, it started as a secular celebration. No one should be offended if it doesn’t center on religion.
Aw...that is really sweet.
But christmas is about that special magical time of year when it just ok indulge, over eat & drink and be nice to folks. But for me the best part about christmas is watching children opening their presents on christmas morning, don't think much can beat that one
"The reasons I dislike Christmas are many. "
If the reasons for disliking the holiday are rooted in how the society in which one lives acts, and that other societies do not act as such, does the problem emanate from the society/values/culture or from the holiday(excuse/trigger/catalyst) per say?
(To me the "Black Friday" is a disturbingly strange phenomenon, for people in cultures where there is no black Friday, its, well, special.)
To this point, I find it sad that we wait until a "special" time of year to really show those around us how much we love them. I think we should choose to celebrate our loved ones every day. Granted, there is a certain "magic" to Christmas when you're a kid and I think that sticks with most of us, but as you grow older and wiser, you realize the cost of all that "magic".
I'm not saying there aren't good aspects of Christmas. I'm not saying that many people don't participate in the holiday with love for their family and good will toward their neighbors. I guess I just don't see why we can't do that all the time instead of waiting until the last week of the year.
Couldn’t agree more…and I would say the same holds true for mothers and father’s day, etc…It’s important to show those we love them that we care, before we don’t have the opportunity to tell them. (My dad died when I was a kid, and so I sometimes choose to block out memories of him, as to not be sad…but, during the holidays, it is a time where I feel ‘safe’ to celebrate his memory.)To this point, I find it sad that we wait until a "special" time of year to really show those around us how much we love them. I think we should choose to celebrate our loved ones every day. Granted, there is a certain "magic" to Christmas when you're a kid and I think that sticks with most of us, but as you grow older and wiser, you realize the cost of all that "magic".
I'm not saying there aren't good aspects of Christmas. I'm not saying that many people don't participate in the holiday with love for their family and good will toward their neighbors. I guess I just don't see why we can't do that all the time instead of waiting until the last week of the year.
Don't get me started on Mother's Day and Father's Day and Valentine's Day...
That having been said, it is often through loss that we find the greatest appreciation for what we have. If, in death, your father was able to give you a greater appreciation for the loved ones you still have, well, I'd be a happy papa if I made such a sacrifice. I'd say you're honoring his memory well.
Perhaps from your part of the world and culture, but not mine (unfortunately?).
Just a minor correction.
If one takes away the free advertising for imbuing a theistic concept of their preferred belief into the minds of the general populace, I wouldn't be surprised that there are those who will take offense.
You kidding? They'll take a swing at you if you even say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".
What a wonderful thing to say Flick. I'm smiling now...
Actually "Happy Holidays" is the phrase I'd been using (when appropriate) to greet someone for the past few decades, and I have yet to encounter any frowns. I get the distinct feeling that they appreciate the gesture of well wishing instead of getting all wound up.You kidding? They'll take a swing at you if you even say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".
I love Christmas. The cornier the better.Off to cut a tree tomorrow. My favorite is the Cookies with red and green sprinkles.
Merry Christmas to you too! (from someone who everyone thinks is an atheist)
haha Well, that solves that!Merry Christmas to you too! (from someone who everyone thinks is an atheist)In different discussions I've seen you participate in, you have been labeled as such. May I ask, what are your beliefs?
I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Christmas!!! The smells....and family and the laughter and the food..(even though I am doing all the cooking)......and remembering past Christmas's with those now gone....
SO from my heart to ALL Of you! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Have a wonderful and treasure the day........regardless of your "religious" orientation or "NON" religious......Just enjoy the holiday for what it is! A CELEBRATION with loved ones!
To make a long description short:
I think there is something out there we would consider God; the universe is not just stranger than we imagine; it is stranger than we CAN imagine. I also think that it is very likely that every human religion has gotten it completely wrong. I consider myself Christian and think there's a lot of value in the community that a church forms, whether or not the canon they preach is valid or not. Almost everything of value that someone gets from a church comes from other people in the church and not the church itself.
In terms of the Bible, I think it's the result of an oral tradition that came from a centuries-long game of telephone. I think that there is some stuff that is accurate (general accounts of the life of Christ) some stuff that was probably based on real events but has been hopelessly "re-mixed" until almost no real truth is left (i.e. the Deluge, the Tower of Babel, the birth of Christ) and some stuff that was just plain made up to support a new and struggling religion (like the anti-woman concepts, the trinity, the Pentateuch, the "eternal reward" for the faithful etc.)
Religion is probably the part I hate least about christmas.
Perhaps, it’s a fair assessment to say, that everyone’s opinion of faith is based on a whole host of unique circumstances, and observations … that shouldn’t be judged. Holding an Agnostic view as I have now, leaves me open to the possibilities that may lay in wait…but, also keeps me real and grounded in the fact that should there be nothing more than the ‘’here and now,’’ I’m comfortable with that fact, too. I don’t look at Agnosticism as riding a fence, or being unsure…or not being able to choose. On the contrary, it is a view that allows me to see things as they really are…but, be open to what might be. I’ve always felt that no one knows for certain whether God exists or does not. No one does. Thanks for sharing this, billvon. I admit, I had you pegged not so much as an atheist…but, definitely didn’t see this ‘’confession’’ coming.To make a long description short:
I think there is something out there we would consider God; the universe is not just stranger than we imagine; it is stranger than we CAN imagine. I also think that it is very likely that every human religion has gotten it completely wrong. I consider myself Christian and think there's a lot of value in the community that a church forms, whether or not the canon they preach is valid or not. Almost everything of value that someone gets from a church comes from other people in the church and not the church itself.
In terms of the Bible, I think it's the result of an oral tradition that came from a centuries-long game of telephone. I think that there is some stuff that is accurate (general accounts of the life of Christ) some stuff that was probably based on real events but has been hopelessly "re-mixed" until almost no real truth is left (i.e. the Deluge, the Tower of Babel, the birth of Christ) and some stuff that was just plain made up to support a new and struggling religion (like the anti-woman concepts, the trinity, the Pentateuch, the "eternal reward" for the faithful etc.)
Red Panda....I LOVE CHRISTMAS!! *here's a candy cane*...samooch!! *ducking*
It looks to me as we all have a story to tell.. Of the path that has led you to where you are now. I see a agnostic who despite the claim is hedging his bets. I respect his/ her honesty. I do not have a issue with this. I feel strongly about the rights of people to have there own view. I have personal friends and family with strong religious convictions that I do not share. I do however step back from direct critique of their faith. It's theirs. Some who think they know me do not.
That I reject 100% any religious doctrine and the existence of any personal God. The more I learned as a student the less room in my mind there was for god. I can say I looked at some doctrines closely as a quest for the why of religious belief overwhelmed me. A few months of study and much reading and research led me to a firm and clear view. That at age twelve I had decided there could be no single creator of the universe. No God. That I can say and mean 'Barking madness' is very unkind and yet true. FOR ME.
I am sure of my opinion and am happy to talk of this but will not dare tell what you should think. That's for you.
I do however have a issue with the instruction of religious belief to children. Most of whom can sort this subject out themselves.
It is important that choices remain as that, choices. As with most things of science, education is the answer.. Given enough information and the freedom to review it. All will be well.. Do any of you's share my views ?
and return to add; I wish you a happy Christmas.
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astromark, I see nothing wrong with introducing your children to different faiths and letting them decide what they choose to believe. I did that with mine. They made their choice, but they at least needed something to aid them in making their decision.
I think all people are "spiritual" in their own way, that does not necessarily mean indoctrination to a "religious belief".
I have said it before. I find mother nature quite "spiritual", when I am in the redwoods or at the ocean or seeing a rainbow......
Damn, you went straight for the jugular!
I ****** hate ******* candy canes!!
Ya still *cough* love me? *laughing!!!Damn, you went straight for the jugular!
I ****** hate ******* candy canes!!
As one of the more atheistic members here, I'd just like to say that I don't mind Xmas at all. Besides all the rampant commercialism, violence among shoppers, greedy kids, going into credit card debt , etc , there are some good things going on.
You wouldn't think I'd give a crap about Xmas songs but I like a lot of the music. Some of the best tunes ever written I suppose. I wait eagerly and with bated breath for the one song I love to hear at this time of year....of course millions of you think the same..... is there any doubt that Alvin and the Chipmunks singing Christmas Don't be Late is number one, signifying all that Xmas is about....kids and the fun of being a kid.
I think if more people had that attitude the world would be a slightly better place.
I used to hate it. It was a painful period when I was married. In more ways than one.
However the last couple of years, I have come to love it somewhat. For me it is now about appreciating my loved ones and for trying to make them happy. There is nothing more important to me, nothing beats the pure joy on the faces of my sons when I light up the overly bright christmas tree. Especially for my eldest. He is excited and that makes me happy. My youngest is just hyper about it. But they are happy and just for that alone, it makes me love it. I hate shopping, I hate the crowds, I hate trying to find parking, I hate the capitalist nature of it. But I love the sound of my kids singing Christmas carols while playing, or their excitement and just being happy. Everything that can be bad about it pales in comparison to the happy, slightly manic (okay, youngest is very manic) grin on their faces, while squinting in the onslaught of lights I strung up around the house (I was unable to clamber up trees and stuff this yearSo I made a show of it indoors instead! Aw yeah!
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HERESY!!
Are you coming to hear me sing next Wednesday and Thursday? *chuckle*...mostly I planned it for a sing a long with just two solo's......cause most people can't hit those notes! *L*As one of the more atheistic members here, I'd just like to say that I don't mind Xmas at all. Besides all the rampant commercialism, violence among shoppers, greedy kids, going into credit card debt , etc , there are some good things going on.
You wouldn't think I'd give a crap about Xmas songs but I like a lot of the music. Some of the best tunes ever written I suppose. I wait eagerly and with bated breath for the one song I love to hear at this time of year....of course millions of you think the same..... is there any doubt that Alvin and the Chipmunks singing Christmas Don't be Late is number one, signifying all that Xmas is about
Getting huge CANDY CANES for RED PANDA and putting them all over his house.....
I might have missed this, but I haven't seen it mentioned. The atheist "anthem" to Christmas - though it might sound a bit odd to those who associate Christmas with snow and cold. Tim Minchin's White Wine in the Sun gets the mood just right for me.
White Wine In The Sun by Tim Minchin - YouTube
I love love love singing Christmas carols....
I wouldn't miss it for the world. I'm the guy wearing the blue golf shirt sitting in the third row. Just don't ask me to get up and sing. Not that my voice is bad, I've been told all my life that it is good, but even McCartney goes to Lady Gaga concerts just to watch and listen. Sing with passion, sing with purpose but most of all sing because you enjoy it.
THre is no seating ....I will make sure you get a sing a long book as I am only doing two solo's......I have been singing for my supper all my life *laughing*.....sometimes it was just bread and water!I wouldn't miss it for the world. I'm the guy wearing the blue golf shirt sitting in the third row. Just don't ask me to get up and sing. Not that my voice is bad, I've been told all my life that it is good, but even McCartney goes to Lady Gaga concerts just to watch and listen. Sing with passion, sing with purpose but most of all sing because you enjoy it.
I'm with Flick about hating the GIANT COMMERICIALISM WHORING (echo..echo...echo..) of the holiday....when they replace the "Fa la la la's " in "Deck the Halls" with "Shop shop shop shop...buy, buy, buy." (Swear to god this was in an actual commercial and I nearly threw a brick through my tv)
Money's so tight with us this year, we are giving away tins of homemade cookies as presents. (you KNOW who has two thumbs and likes this idea! This guy!)and Mom is giving the grandkids some of her jewelry. Personally I think they are much better than store bought presents...and will give heritage and real love...not just a gadget that breaks in Feb.
I do LOVE gathering with my family...eating wonderfully, trading stories...that part of Christmas rocks.
and it can't be Christmas without Cheech and Chongs "Santa Claus and his Old Lady"
No seating? Jeezus...is nothing sacred? Somebody sold me a bogus ticket online. Scoundrels...and at Christmas time too. I'll have to cancel my plane ticket and hope somebody there is recording the event. Too bad it turned out this way, I was looking forward to singing along to the Royal Guardsmen's Snoopy's Christmas and the Chipmunks' Christmas don't be Late.THre is no seating ....I will make sure you get a sing a long book as I am only doing two solo's......I have been singing for my supper all my life *laughing*.....sometimes it was just bread and water!I wouldn't miss it for the world. I'm the guy wearing the blue golf shirt sitting in the third row. Just don't ask me to get up and sing. Not that my voice is bad, I've been told all my life that it is good, but even McCartney goes to Lady Gaga concerts just to watch and listen. Sing with passion, sing with purpose but most of all sing because you enjoy it.
One heck of a long blog entry....lol
"I love the decorations, the music, the gift-giving, the mythology — all of it. "
Well that's ok.
Personally I agree about the decorations and gift giving.
I detest the music. I'd be ok with the mythology if so many people didn't actually believe in it. (the Christian backdrop not the Santa and reindeer thing)
It does bother me that adults lie to their children and the cynical side of me understands that one of its purposes was to soften children's acceptance to even crueler punishment than a chuck of coal such as acceptance of hell and internal punishments if they misbehave in life. (something they'll struggle with emotionally if they ever fully embrace reason later)
The higher suicide myth we often hear bothers me simply because it's factually wrong (it's actually near the lowest and peaks late spring) but propagated by the media and put forth to get people to do what they should be doing already--giving more.
I'm ok with religion and spent most of my adult life willing to put my life on the line to defend people's ability to worship how they want--but strongly feel it should be personal and mostly at home...and done in ways that don't hurt people or society as a whole.....
So this atheist has a Christmas tree, one which I set up well before my wife bothered me. I'll get on the piano a few times over the next couple weeks and play a few secular holiday songs. "Chestnut's roasting....etc" I love looking up old friends that perhaps I've not kept as good contact with as I should over the past year. My wife and I will take a couple drives to see all the pretty lights and go to Defiance Zoo where they put up millions. My wife will drive me crazy with obligatory showings of twenty (or however many it is) different versions of the Xmas story (the Henry Fonda one is the only one I kinda like). I also enjoy "its a wonderful life." I'll enjoy the gifts and smiles of delights as friends and family open the ones I careful chose (yes I do that).
Anyhow it's all a mixed bag for me...but also a chance to pause and enjoy a few different things before the depth of winter sets in.
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Batman?
Anyone here ever bake and construct their own ginger bread house? (as opposed to buying one that is already 'baked,' and you need to simply construct it?) There are some neat competitions on the Food Network in this regard, during this time of year.
never seen a ginger bread house
They can be fun to construct...here's the white house gingerbread house (video) for 2013. Pretty elaborate. Watch: Creating the 2013 White House Gingerbread House | The White House
I tried last year. But there were bits nibbled off or "tasted" by children and a particular adult alike that in the end, I gave up and just let them eat it and the trimmings.Anyone here ever bake and construct their own ginger bread house? (as opposed to buying one that is already 'baked,' and you need to simply construct it?) There are some neat competitions on the Food Network in this regard, during this time of year.
Brat and it's open seating.....No seating? Jeezus...is nothing sacred? Somebody sold me a bogus ticket online. Scoundrels...and at Christmas time too. I'll have to cancel my plane ticket and hope somebody there is recording the event. Too bad it turned out this way, I was looking forward to singing along to the Royal Guardsmen's Snoopy's Christmas and the Chipmunks' Christmas don't be Late.THre is no seating ....I will make sure you get a sing a long book as I am only doing two solo's......I have been singing for my supper all my life *laughing*.....sometimes it was just bread and water!I wouldn't miss it for the world. I'm the guy wearing the blue golf shirt sitting in the third row. Just don't ask me to get up and sing. Not that my voice is bad, I've been told all my life that it is good, but even McCartney goes to Lady Gaga concerts just to watch and listen. Sing with passion, sing with purpose but most of all sing because you enjoy it.
One in the lobby made by Chef...I'll take a picture..it smells good too
and I LOVE CHRISTMAS MUSIC!! ALL OF IT!
(pulls out the cookie list and scratches Ducky's name off of it, and adds it to the "coal" list)Batman?
I used to threaten my kids with coal all the time. Then last year my partner put a piece of coal in a big gift box for each of them and we gave it to them first to open. One toppled over backwards laughing hysterically and the eldest looked at us, rolled his eyes and said 'I can't believe you actually went to the effort!'.. So now we threaten them with vegetables instead.
Hello Mr Leek and Mrs Parsnip. I even have the googly eyes to stick on them for their present.
Great story Tranquille!!! *laughing*
Yup!Anyone here ever bake and construct their own ginger bread house? (as opposed to buying one that is already 'baked,' and you need to simply construct it?) There are some neat competitions on the Food Network in this regard, during this time of year.
Only ever did it once. But my sister's kids loved it. It was before we had kids of our own.
(If I wanted to do it again I'd have to find another gingerbread recipe. Kneading that dough by hand was the first time I discovered that my hands were going to cause me problems. They really ached. )
Put me on that list! These are great:
I am now in awe of you...I bake pies..and cheesecakes .....I could never do that! I am humbled.
Even Boney M?
hey if I get a good video of me singing...I'll post it!
You can all plug your ears!
The blog traces the history of the mythical "war on Christmas" to its racist, paranoid roots. It wasn't started by Fox News, but they certainly perfected the beating of the war drums over it.
Couldn't be bothered to read all posts.
Christmas is mostly a pagan celebration disguised with some Christian themes. As an atheist you are allowed to fully celebrate Christmas.
Happy winter solstice to you all!
~ Or summer solstice for some of us...
Indeed.
More information in this video from TTA: To XMAS And Beyond - YouTube
l was just flipping through the channels and by golly, Bill O'Reilly was rambling on about this very topic a moment ago. By the way...I like your username. Perfectly clever!
I love christmas!!!
~ Just a further refinement to 'babe's " I love Christmas ! " as do I enjoy what it has become.
Avoiding the commercial traps of indulgence.. but enjoying the family and quality time of good fun and of friends and fine food..
That IS Christmas.
I won't buy a single Christmas present till after Thanksgiving is done. Then I turn on Christmas music for the month of December and sing it.
♪ ♫ ~ Ho, Ho Ho.. ' Merry Christmas to you and yours..' ♫ ♪ and to you, and you, and you, and you, and you,...
Even the Atheist can have Xmas.. and enjoy it I will and so must we all.
Hey wegs, in was looking through a load of your comments and threads and i think your really cool. i want to pm you but you seem to have turned that off somnehow, dont wory im not some pervert or anything like that attall. im a 26 yr old man, lives in uk, gota lil girl from a previous relationship. email me if you wana chat about anything , science, life, anything like that but on a one 2 one level, my photo is really me!!lol im not a catfish, nor am i trying to portray myself in any other way to impress or disimpress you. i just like the sound of you and wana chat. my email address is graemedon1987@outlook.com. thanks anyway for just reading this if you not interested in having a online one to one chat opn life and how crazily mad it is in such a brilliant perfectly radomly perfect situation then my door is open....G
Aw…You are very kind to say all of this.Hey wegs, in was looking through a load of your comments and threads and i think your really cool. i want to pm you but you seem to have turned that off somnehow, dont wory im not some pervert or anything like that attall. im a 26 yr old man, lives in uk, gota lil girl from a previous relationship. email me if you wana chat about anything , science, life, anything like that but on a one 2 one level, my photo is really me!!lol im not a catfish, nor am i trying to portray myself in any other way to impress or disimpress you. i just like the sound of you and wana chat. my email address is graemedon1987@outlook.com. thanks anyway for just reading this if you not interested in having a online one to one chat opn life and how crazily mad it is in such a brilliant perfectly radomly perfect situation then my door is open....G
I have my pm’s turned off…as nothing good I have found comesfrom leaving them open. But, I’ll drop you an email…sure. I’m dating someone…but,we can certainly be e-friends, if you like.
As an aside, G -- your "approach" is very straight forward, and from a female perspective, that's a good thing. I'm older than you and I can say that your strong, sincere approach should serve you well with the right woman. Many men especially in their 20's...play unnecessary games in order to court a female. I always shake my head when I see that go on. Lol For what it's worth, just thought I'd offer you my observation.
Aw gee...you're not the one wearing the overcoat, offering the sultry glance over her shoulderAs an aside, G -- your "approach" is very straight forward, and from a female perspective, that's a good thing. I'm older than you and I can say that your strong, sincere approach should serve you well with the right woman. Many men especially in their 20's...play unnecessary games in order to court a female. I always shake my head when I see that go on. Lol For what it's worth, just thought I'd offer you my observation.
haha...it's actually a fairy wearing a coat. I like fairies...so...being winter and all...I thought, it was appropriate.Aw gee...you're not the one wearing the overcoat, offering the sultry glance over her shoulderAs an aside, G -- your "approach" is very straight forward, and from a female perspective, that's a good thing. I'm older than you and I can say that your strong, sincere approach should serve you well with the right woman. Many men especially in their 20's...play unnecessary games in order to court a female. I always shake my head when I see that go on. Lol For what it's worth, just thought I'd offer you my observation.
Good to know that fairies are susceptible to weather conditionshaha...it's actually a fairy wearing a coat. I like fairies...so...being winter and all...I thought, it was appropriate.Aw gee...you're not the one wearing the overcoat, offering the sultry glance over her shoulder
Isn't there an issue with the, you know, wings?
(BTW have a great Christmas no matter what coat you end up wearing . . .)
Not only is it a stereotype that all fairies have wings (they don't), but flash photography can kill them. I heard it on YouTube, so it must be true:
Faerie Role Play (Softly Speaking 3D ASMR) [as seen on tosh.o] - YouTube
lolGood to know that fairies are susceptible to weather conditionshaha...it's actually a fairy wearing a coat. I like fairies...so...being winter and all...I thought, it was appropriate.Aw gee...you're not the one wearing the overcoat, offering the sultry glance over her shoulderGood point about the wings. It looks to be a big coat. Lol Have a nice Christmas yourself! ((Hugs))Isn't there an issue with the, you know, wings?(BTW have a great Christmas no matter what coat you end up wearing . . .)
Good to know that fairies are susceptible to weather conditionshaha...it's actually a fairy wearing a coat. I like fairies...so...being winter and all...I thought, it was appropriate.Aw gee...you're not the one wearing the overcoat, offering the sultry glance over her shoulderOh! They must have wings!
yeh thanks, lol, im dating someone aswell(well having unmarital sexual intercourse on a tri-weekly(does that mean 3 times a week?)basis is the saying it should be because she never wants dinner, cinema or anything like that, she aint even wanting to go camping all i can get her to do is go horse riding, wich is lovely for her thighs(lol) but she is a prim and proper brought up girl so she would be happy witha wad of money and a shopping street, o and a horse, oh and me for when she come back and wants dinner and un marit....) so its all good, you know when you just get that feeling online that someone is very cool and you would be able to sit and chat for ghhours and hours about stuff, thats how you can spot a faker or bullshiner. by the way they chat , people who normally are dead accurate with there phrases and wirte like they are copying a book word for word, are usually weirdos or just so i dont get a torrent of abuse, extremely clever individuals and i mean extrememly clever , people who never make spelling mistakes, people who dont need a dictionary or a thesaurus. But back to the point people who are genuine normally write like they are chatting to you face to face,and like speeking we do make mistakes in our speech because we are always rushing nowadays, thats why if you were brought up in a paid for school, taught latin, etc etc, then you are going to speek slow proper and correctly but if you are thrown into a neighbours bashed up old ford and told that you are loved by ya MAM and "c ya later hun , dont cause truble for the teacher" what trouble would i cause for the teachers at the age of 7, i suppose i could steal some vallium off my uncle and cush them up and put them in mrs smiths tea, "is that trouble MAMMY"? lol,
anyway yeah email me, coz it be nice to chat to you, one 2one, you can see what i look like ona pic on my profile and my facebook account. i have never chatted to a fairy before but its scool, do you grant wishes??? if so goody, and i have to say you are one hot fairy, skip toanother subject for a minit, have you noticed that all fairies and pixies are pretty?? in every film book story, the fairies and pixies are pretty. why aint there a pixie called Raggady who dresses like she steals cafes table cloths and sews them together to make a skirt and uses pillow cases as a bra?? why? why dosent this happen??? i would still gladly ask her for a wish!!!! infact i would even give her one of my wishes. i wish for you to have a new set of cloths, to brush your teeth more often and deafanatly have something to eat that isnt corn flakes(coz this faiy lives on cornflakes).
Then my next wish would be to meet the woman of my dreams and start out slow then eventually build up to the best relationship ever and live happily ever after...
lol yeh so if you wana email me then i will be delighted i can see why some people would just take the piss with PM's " wana have some fun" " what u wearing" " a./s/l im looking for love and your in the picture" etc etc you know what i mean, what the fuck is that about!!!! fair enough if angelina jolie PM me and said ASL i'd say 26/YES PLEASE/ my room(my bed has broke so we guna have to sleep on the floor).... lol, o yeh i am a ameteur comdian so sometimes when im chatting or threading or posting i start waffling on about some balderdash that really isnt got anything to do with the subject and is very funny, and my last mrs left me coz she woudlnt laugh at my jokes i had designed around her. well she was froma irish family so it wasent hard...lol im adopted but ive met my real mum, not my dad yet, but yeh they all irish imigrants, i have guiness running through my veins. wich is so embarrassing when your giving blood, they think WTF!!!! anyway yeh email me, take care and thanks for the advice, i cant remember now what it was ... oh yeh, well i do ,do well with the ladies, most of my mates say to me "how the fk are you with her" but its a lil bit of everything. you dont have to look like brad pitt to get a ladies attention. you jsut have to have a 16 inch ....JOKE jeeze that would be too long woudnt it. im not gay but im guna go think about that for a while. infact im guna fone my "mrs" up. science experiment coming on here i think........(*cringe*)
I agree, it’s nice to be able to ‘connect’ online, and chatwith people about subjects that you have in common…and the internet makes it such that people living on opposite ends of the earth can do just that.
You sound like you have a ‘friend w/benefits.’ There’s nothing wrong with such an arrangement, so long as both parties are in agreement. Many times…one or the other party…’wants a bit more.’ But, good if you can make such a thing work, until you are ready for a more serious relationship.
Anywho…I’ll drop you an email, soon to say hello. I appreciate your…um…candor? Lol
graemedon strongly recommend you use conventional text/sentence features and break up your post into paragraphs or bullets so they are readable. Most people aren't' going to take the time to read a word wall.
I agree, it’s nice to be able to ‘connect’ online, and chatwith people about subjects that you have in common…and the internet makes it such that people living on opposite ends of the earth can do just that.
You sound like you have a ‘friend w/benefits.’ There’s nothing wrong with such an arrangement, so long as both parties are in agreement. Many times…one or the other party…’wants a bit more.’ But, good if you can make such a thing work, until you are ready for a more serious relationship.
Anywho…I’ll drop you an email, soon to say hello. I appreciate your…um…candor? Lol
My lack of inhibition in life !!!lol i'll take that as a compliment. my daughter hasent got much hope then....lol only messin with ya..
Anyway yeah the topic, save the Personals for the personals.
I beleive in nothing, i believe that knowone can know if there is a god for several reasons one of wich being how young the human conscience is. Also how Big The universe is. God may be on the back of a scooter with a really cool camper van strapped on,sweeping the universe, plotting up somewhere and gets his potions bag out and plays the game of life,literally, changing things a lil bit diferent each time!!! Yes i am putting it out there that "god" is a Gypsy/Traveller Wizard. seriously thoa i think people would call it agnostic.
Lol @ God is a traveling Wizard ... Could be. I hold an Agnostic view. I think that no one knows ... with certainty if God exists or not. No one. I don't need to figure it out frankly; I'm actually quite satisfied with the mystery of it all.
*dusting and fluffing my angel wings*......damn Sir Dicky keep trying to make them molt.....the brat!
Wegs...can I borrow your fairy ones?
I am a Christian who doesn't celebrate Christmas, but I go along with it for the sake of my kids and the grand kids even though they are mostly atheist in their views.
So i struggle to say "Merry Christmas" but I do want to thank everyone here on Science Forums for providing me a place to have a say.
"Merry Christmas" - wegs - you deserve a medal (Hugs).
"Merry Christmas" - babe for getting me well again and making me laugh so many times.
"Merry Christmas" - Tranquille, Beer w/Straw and Paleiochneum for debating on the Virus thread.
"Merry Christmas" - Zinjanthropus for being fun and honest.
"Merry Christmas" - to the moderators especially John and kalster
"Merry Christmas" - astromark for supporting me at the worst of times.
"Merry Christmas" to all the rest too numerous to name.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU!
I have the tree up...will take a picture and the whole house decorated...and I'm EXCITED...to see family and friends......to me Christmas is a celebration of the PEOPLE in our lives and day to show each and every one of them how much we love and treasure them!
I wish you and yours a VERY Merry Christmas Robbitybob..
I futher extend that "MERRY CHRISTMAS" to all of the members of the Forum.
My thanks for being so kind to a theatre whore who really doesn't expound a lot on Science, sometimes asks dumb questions, and has been met generally with much patience and very 3rd grade explanations! *chuckle*.....I do appreciate your patience!
I am not a scientist, but I HAVE gained insight and a little knowledge of a world very different than mine!
I hope, also that you have gained a little knowledge of mine!
Mahalo nui loa.....
Merry Christmas to one and all! And a happy new year!
Christmas has never felt like we were supposed to celebrate Jesus' birthday. It has always just felt like something to look forward to, something that rounds off the year and a time for friends and family. In the Southern Hemisphere that means long days in the pool, with barbecues, presents and Christmas food. Can't wait for my parents to arrive. Not doing the Christmas tree thing any more, but will definitely start it again if I ever start a family.
Enjoy!
ooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh my tree at night with no lights on in the house!!!
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