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    What is the scientific cause of crop circles. If they are all hoaxes,what evedence, in support,can be presented.Could they be exterrestrial,and is there any evedence in ET's favor?


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    This is a legit site...check it out. I've been intrigued, or oddly curious, as to crop circles, as well. http://www.howstuffworks.com/science...rop-circle.htm


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    I would say the scientific cause of crop circles is that people go out and make them.
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    These things seem to have been made famous through Home - Coast to Coast AM .So of course the big fanfare over them, this makes us curious.
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    Wonder if there is a chance the cause of them might be controled fusion. Since fusion can't be contained easily, could someone have made a device for directing it from a distance ,like from orbit. The effects producing crop circles, when studied scientificlly,has been seen to be a heating from the inside of the plants. Fusion has this effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    Wonder if there is a chance the cause of them might be controled fusion.
    Why not? Or unicorns? Or maybe Orcs?

    Crop circles demystified: how the patterns are created - Telegraph
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    Wonder if there is a chance the cause of them might be controled fusion. Since fusion can't be contained easily, could someone have made a device for directing it from a distance ,like from orbit. The effects producing crop circles, when studied scientificlly,has been seen to be a heating from the inside of the plants. Fusion has this effect.
    No, it's just people going out to make them...nothing mysterious here. It's much like graffiti, just using a different medium. I actually know someone in real life who used to be into making crop circles - he stopped a few years back though, after almost having gotten himself arrested one night. In any case, there is nothing paranormal going on, despite what some people would make you believe.
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    Even when the people who make them have explained how they do it on various websites, TV documentaries, books, magazines and YouTube videos (*) some people still prefer to think it is fairies. I have no idea why.

    (*) Isn't that supposed to be the definitive source of information for crank theories? Apparently not if it disagrees with your preconceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    Wonder if there is a chance the cause of them might be controled fusion. Since fusion can't be contained easily, could someone have made a device for directing it from a distance ,like from orbit. The effects producing crop circles, when studied scientificlly,has been seen to be a heating from the inside of the plants. Fusion has this effect.
    It's aliens, coming for your wheat.
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    controled fusion.

    ... It's aliens, coming for your wheat.
    Pre-cooked wheat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
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    Wonder if there is a chance the cause of them might be controled fusion. Since fusion can't be contained easily, could someone have made a device for directing it from a distance ,like from orbit. The effects producing crop circles, when studied scientificlly,has been seen to be a heating from the inside of the plants. Fusion has this effect.
    No, it's just people going out to make them...nothing mysterious here. It's much like graffiti, just using a different medium. I actually know someone in real life who used to be into making crop circles - he stopped a few years back though, after almost having gotten himself arrested one night. In any case, there is nothing paranormal going on, despite what some people would make you believe.
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    Crop circles are created by aliens!

    Aliens that like watching QI !!


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    Crop circles are created by aliens!

    Aliens that like watching QI !!
    Therefore I am an alien. QED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    What is the scientific cause of crop circles. If they are all hoaxes,what evedence, in support,can be presented.Could they be exterrestrial,and is there any evedence in ET's favor?
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    Wonder if there is a chance the cause of them might be controled fusion.
    Why not? Or unicorns? Or maybe Orcs?

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    Crop circles have only two causes.
    One. They are as a result of atmospheric disturbances in the wheat, such as a small whirlwind, a phenomenon which has been photographed.
    Two. They are man-made by teams of hoaxers. We know this for certain.
    People who study them call themselves cerealogists. Oh dear.
    I visited one once at one of the most celebrated spots (among cerealogists), at Alton Barnes on the Marlborough Downs in Wiltshire England. This was not intentional I hope you understand, but I was out walking and on the far hill I witnessed some activity. I was charged to enter the field by a couple of young women who informed me there were lights in the sky the previous night, implying extraterrestrial activity. 'They are trying to tell us something', mumbled one of the women. The formation of overlapping concentric circles was quite convincing, but I saw it as a fake. And yes, I was conned because the lights were undoubtedly from the hoaxers.
    There is lady called Lucy Pringle who flies up in a helicopter every July and adds to this forgery.

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    Alton Barnes on the Marlborough Downs in Wiltshire England.
    I know the region, it's not far from Stonehenge, and hence a favourite place of congregation for pretty much every New Age nutcase around England ( and the wider Europe ). I am not surprised there are many crop circles there...it falls on fertile ground there, so to speak
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    In addition I've stood on the top of Barbury Hill to the south of Swindon and witnessed a botched job of a crop circle. Funny, but a bit sad too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
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    Crop circles are created by aliens!

    Aliens that like watching QI !!
    Therefore I am an alien. QED.
    And therefore you made the crop circles!

    Mystery solved!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
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    Crop circles are created by aliens!

    Aliens that like watching QI !!
    Therefore I am an alien. QED.
    And therefore you made the crop circles!

    Mystery solved!!
    With some obscure fusion device apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
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    Crop circles are created by aliens!

    Aliens that like watching QI !!
    Therefore I am an alien. QED.
    And therefore you made the crop circles!

    Mystery solved!!
    hahaha that made me lol irl
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    This is a legit site...check it out. I've been intrigued, or oddly curious, as to crop circles, as well. http://www.howstuffworks.com/science...rop-circle.htm
    and John Deer green as well. :-)

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    I saw a video on youtube where a pilot flying over one said the one he was looking at occured in less than twenty miniutes. He went past it a first time and it wasn't there. Then he refueled his plane and flew over again and there it was. Another video shows balls of light hovering over as the crop circle was taking form. Another shows military helecopters checking out new formed crop circles fight after the balls of light disappeared. All of that supposed evedence points to something other that complete hoax. Also scientific study of the crops in a lab couldent explain any natural condition that the bends in the crops could have been made. All aside though, you're right just a hoax.
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    In fairness it does seem pretty conclusive that crop circles are man made and arn't anything to do with extra terrestrial activity, especially when it's been on the tv with farmers actually creating them on camera. This being said I think there is a whole other story to crop circles, firstly of the artistry in how they are made, surely this involves a fair amount of skill here, but really in how long they were able to get away with it. They've managed to turn basically a little bit of farming 'fun' for want of a better word into this big global mystery that had to be unmasked, pretty amazing really.
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    The thing that annoys me most about this extra terrestrial nonsense is that it completely obliterates the imagination, the creativity and the skills of people. They might be applying those skills in silly or weird or wonderful ways, but they are human attributes and qualities.

    People do things that are amazing all the time. Sometimes we call it magic, sometimes we call it magical. But it's all down to people. We don't need anyone or anything else to do these things for us or to explain them away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    The thing that annoys me most about this extra terrestrial nonsense is that it completely obliterates the imagination, the creativity and the skills of people. They might be applying those skills in silly or weird or wonderful ways, but they are human attributes and qualities.

    People do things that are amazing all the time. Sometimes we call it magic, sometimes we call it magical. But it's all down to people. We don't need anyone or anything else to do these things for us or to explain them away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    I saw a video on youtube
    And there's exactly your problem. YouTube is not a source of reliable scientific data.

    surely this involves a fair amount of skill
    Not so much skill as careful planning. The friend I mentioned before said him and his mates sometimes spent weeks planning out a circle ( they used CAD software ), in minute geometric detail, to the point of them just having to perform a series of written-out steps on the night with the aid of compass, GPS and commercial equipment to measure angles and length ( the kind you find on any building site ). Tedious, but ultimately straightforward. The biggest problem was apparently the lack of light, as you can't use torchlights for fear of being spotted.
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    The source on the youtube video was a regestered pilot and it occured in 20 min during daylight. Fast work huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    The source on the youtube video was a regestered pilot and it occured in 20 min during daylight. Fast work huh?
    Either that or he's lying.

    What do you think is more likely: a pilot lying or aliens making shapes in corn fields?
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    One is probable the other is impossible. So he is probably lying, or mistaken. So if you have a farm field, and it won't happen, and it can't happen' it's totally impossible. What is your next move if you are standing face to face with ET and his gigantic saucer.
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    WTF are you on about? You are rapidly moving from daft and clueless to stupid crank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    One is probable the other is impossible. So he is probably lying, or mistaken.
    Correct.

    What is your next move if you are standing face to face with ET and his gigantic saucer.
    I'll introduce him to my unicorn.

    Note: your original question was about the "scientific cause"; which implies you are interested in the causes that have evidence (people and weather). If, in fact, you are interested in fantasy causes, then a science forum may not be the best place to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    One is probable the other is impossible. So he is probably lying, or mistaken. So if you have a farm field, and it won't happen, and it can't happen' it's totally impossible. What is your next move if you are standing face to face with ET and his gigantic saucer.
    I would both crap myself and feel absolutely elated. Too bad there isn't any good reason to think that could happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    What is your next move if you are standing face to face with ET and his gigantic saucer.
    I'd be gobsmacked.
    Everyone knows ETs don't use saucers.
    They're so passé.
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    What is your next move if you are standing face to face with ET and his gigantic saucer.
    Attempt to communicate - which, I suspect, would be very very difficult.
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    False Hypothesis; That wild unseen Unicorns run in circles from marauding Tigers results in strange trampling patterns in fields..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    One is probable the other is impossible. So he is probably lying, or mistaken. So if you have a farm field, and it won't happen, and it can't happen' it's totally impossible.
    I wouldn't say it was impossible - but, considering that we can watch humans make crop circles, to add imaginary aliens would be down-right ridiculous.

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    What is your next move if you are standing face to face with ET and his gigantic saucer.
    I am perfectly happy saying that the pilot either lied or made a mistake.
    There is no evidence of an 'ET' or a 'giant saucer' - so a 'next move' is not required.
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    I would both crap myself and feel absolutely elated.
    You're my choice for initiating first contact. What an impression.
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    What is your next move if you are standing face to face with ET and his gigantic saucer.
    I'd say "Well Hey! We've been expecting you!...have a cold beer, and there's some fresh bread on the stove. Y'all got BBQ on planet X?"
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    For those who still think that crop circles are of extraterrestrial origin, what do you think are the chances of aliens negotiating vast expanses of time and space, or through wormholes, to home in on a wheatfield in southern England to waste their time in drawing crop circles?
    I have seen these things myself and without doubt they are the work of hoaxers or perhaps more appropriately of wheatfield artists with an understanding of geometry. The only other explanation is that sometimes the weather creates small whirlwinds near to ground level which produces quite good circles. I have also witnessed this happening when I've been out walking in the summer.
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    These things seem to have been made famous through Home - Coast to Coast AM .So of course the big fanfare over them, this makes us curious.
    My advice as a fan, take C2CAM for what it is... Fantasy. Here's an article about the show that popped up in the Atlantic a couple years ago. 95% of what they talk about on C2C is subject to fantastical or sensationalist thinking. Noory appears to think in these ways, if the article is any indication of his off air personality. But... Read through this article, you'll notice a thing or two about how the show produced.

    The show is constructed, and the direction it takes is guided. What you hear on C2C is what they want you to hear, most of the time it's just fantasy. For every caller that talks about their UFO and crop-circle experience, there's probably thousands of other callers that don't get the air because of their mundanity, and sometimes even because they are too well-spoken and thought - what does that tell you about the show's mission statement? Most of the time they're cherry picking the calls to weave you a story. For another, its usually a very specific breed of caller from the sample... Presumably the ones that like to tell stories.

    Not too long ago they had a guy to talk about alternative medicine on the show, and its ability to cure cancer. Noory's attitude about the subject changed immediately when a caller got through to ask if it would work for them, as they had a late stage cancer.

    He went from, "Wow this cancer curing mushroom sounds incredible," to, "listen, guest X is not a doctor. He's just here to tell us about the possible merits of this mushroom. It is not a substitute for chemotherapy... But it might help if you took this too. You never know, right?"

    Then the guest goes, "That's right. Ask your doctor about the taking this mushroom to supplement your treatment, but do NOT think it is guaranteed to help."

    In other words, the second someone inquired if it would work for their cancer, everything you had for the first hour was retracted. It's all fantasy, including the crop circle stories you've heard on the show. But that doesn't mean it can't sometimes be entertaining... Just be careful about what you take seriously from that show.

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    Im not familiar with these crop circles, but wonder why I ve never heard of crop circles in other cultures? Are there crop circles in Ukraine or Spain?
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    I'm not saying it was clever people, string, planks of wood, and math, but it was totally clever people, string, planks of wood, and math.
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    Im not familiar with these crop circles, but wonder why I ve never heard of crop circles in other cultures? Are there crop circles in Ukraine or Spain?
    There are crop circles just about everwhere now. Spain, Italy, Ukraine, Russia...
    But the original ones are the best. Those that come from Wiltshire, England.
    People outside England probably do not realise that in addition to the crop circles there is also the extraordinary case of Ley Lines. These are imaginary straight lines on maps linking up prehistoric sites such as stones, burial mounds, crosses and wells. More impressive is that they often converge from different directions on one of these antiquities. The most important sites, such as Stonehenge, Avebury and Silbury Hill are at the centre of many intersecting ley lines.
    Even more exciting is that the lines carry a cosmic force field which allows alien spacecraft to navigate their way to these sites in Wiltshire, where by no coincidence the best crop circles are found.
    All this is tremendous stuff, and with only one or two small flaws. Ancient sites in Wiltshire are so thick on the ground that it is not difficult to draw a line through at least three of them. The other is that the lines are not always completely straight. Could the aliens or the ancient surveyors have had inaccurate equpiment?
    Now I don't want anyone to be discouraged into thinking that England is not a land of magic and mystery, because clearly it is, and Stonehenge, Avebury and Silbury Hill alone are enough to keep you in wonder.
    But crop circles, ley lines, then no. Don't waste your time.
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    Here is a long story about a mysterious crop circle:
    Earthfiles.com Environment | Updated Part 1: Chualar, California, 250-Foot-Diameter Barley Pattern “Real,” Say Field Researchers.
    • Guarded by a security company hired by an "unnamed agency" ...
    • A crop circle "expert" says, "we have an important event on our hands here" ...
    • Local residents saw "green lights in a triangular pattern on one large aerial craft" ...
    • Dogs barked all night before the pattern appeared ...
    • The pattern was destroyed "under orders of unidentified agent" ...
    • Another "expert" said:
      • "those rectangular lines were incredibly straight and very precise""
      • "You would have to be up much higher looking down on it to see the whole pattern"
      • He also used a magnetometer and reported "Outside the formation around the telephone pole area, the reading was very low around 43 gauss cgs units. But inside the western circle, the needle jumped up to 58 gauss cgs units"
    • The number 192 is encoded into the pattern ... much speculation about the meaning:
      • "On July 8, 2014, 192 days from December 28, 2013, when the pattern was first discovered - in the inner solar system Earth will be at the 1 o'clock position , Venus will be at the 9 o'clock position and Mars will be at the 2 o'clock position"
      • "Iridium 192"
      • "No. 192 Memorandum National Security Action by President John F. Kennedy: A Separate Arms Control Measure for Outer Space"
      • " The numbers192 in the middle could be significant. That might be the radioactive cloud coming from Fukushima power plant with the big dose of RADS"
    • There also appears to be Morse code spelling "ET" and "ISON" ...
    • Yet another "expert" visited the site and said:
      • "What struck me in walking on to the plowed Chualar barley pattern on January 2nd was finding the smooth bends of the crop flat at the soil level like the ‘magic bends’ of English crop formations"
      • "The hypothesis is that a "spinning plasma vortex containing microwave and other energies is focused rapidly onto crops or grasses by an unknown force that creates the genuinely mysterious formations that are not manmade"


    Wow, it all sound so spooky and alieny ...

    Or not. Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang "also revealed that the 310-foot (94.5m) diameter "crop circle" in the tiny town of Chualar, California, that has been titillating the interwebs since late December was merely an Nvidia marketing gimmick."
    UNREAL, dude: Nvidia uncloaks Tegra K1 graphics monster for your mobile ... and CAR
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    • The number 192 is encoded into the pattern ... much speculation about the meaning:
      • "On July 8, 2014, 192 days from December 28, 2013, when the pattern was first discovered - in the inner solar system Earth will be at the 1 o'clock position , Venus will be at the 9 o'clock position and Mars will be at the 2 o'clock position"
      • "Iridium 192"
      • "No. 192 Memorandum National Security Action by President John F. Kennedy: A Separate Arms Control Measure for Outer Space"
      • " The numbers192 in the middle could be significant. That might be the radioactive cloud coming from Fukushima power plant with the big dose of RADS"

    I find numerology interesting because it exemplifies various aspects of human thinking - e.g. confirmation bias/superstition/etc.

    But you can show numerology is wishful thinking by simply typing a different number (e.g. 191 or 193) into Google. Almost every number has some kind of 'significance'.
    Paradoxically, it would be more significant to find a number with no significance.

    The other thing I like about numerology is it leads to completely random facts (which I have always enjoyed).
    Did you know that 193 is an odious number? That's a great name for a repeating binary sequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    • Guarded by a security company hired by an "unnamed agency" ...
    • A crop circle "expert" says, "we have an important event on our hands here" ...
    • Local residents saw "green lights in a triangular pattern on one large aerial craft" ...
    • Dogs barked all night before the pattern appeared ...
    • The pattern was destroyed "under orders of unidentified agent" ...
    Ah yes, ET and the Men in Black are back!
    Or not. Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang "also revealed that the 310-foot (94.5m) diameter "crop circle" in the tiny town of Chualar, California, that has been titillating the interwebs since late December was merely an Nvidia marketing gimmick."
    Now you've spoilt it for me.

    What I need to know is this : Has the crop circle been dowsed?
    Crop circles dowsing and subtle energy research
    All CC's of any worth need to be dowsed. Something to do with the solar plexus chakra aligned to the E/M field, I understand.
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