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    Epic fail...

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    Toothpaste containing thorium ?? You have got to be kidding me !

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    Radium chocolate ?? Ok, I have seen a lot, but this has got to take the biscuit !!

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    WHHAATTT ?? This has got to be a joke !

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    How about the shoe-fitting fluoroscope:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
    WHHAATTT ?? This has got to be a joke !
    Sadly not. I read a good article about the "radium craze" some time ago. I think it was this one:
    The Great Radium Scandal

    The unpleasant death of a wealthy socialite was one of the things that led to regulation of the market for such treatments.

    This document has a bit more detail in a reprint of Wall Street Journal article cheerfully entitled, "The Radium Water Worked Fine Until His Jaw Came Off":
    http://www.case.edu/affil/MeMA/MCA/11-20/1991-Nov.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    How about the shoe-fitting fluoroscope:


    Hah! I remember that thing. They had one at the primo shoe shop for children in Adelaide when I was a kid.

    We thought it was great! to see the insides of our feet. Heaven alone knows how a shop assistant was supposed to make any sense of it for fitting shoes.
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    Capitalism is frigin' scary.
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    Nothing funny about this one. What you see here is called the "Elephant's Foot", and is basically a part of what is left over from the core of reactor four at the Chernobyl power plant after its meltdown. It is a chunk of what is called corium - a highly radioactive lava-like mixture of nuclear fuel, concrete, and a hitherto unknown mineral now aptly called chernobylite. This is what happens when hot nuclear fuel melts its way through the concrete floor of a reactor vessel; in the vicinity of this structure you would be looking at average radiation doses of around 60-70 Sieverts per hour, with peak values of up to 150 Sv/h, in the first few hours after the meltdown. To put this into perspective - normal background radiation levels are in and around 5-10 mSv, and anything above 4 Sv is usually fatal. Standing next to this "Elephant's Foot", you would have been getting fatally irradiated within minutes. This is definitely science gone wrong...
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    Capitalism is frigin' scary.
    It's not capitalism. It's about people adopting enthusiastic attitudes to things - including capitalism - without examining or analysing them adequately.

    This fascination with radiation and the like was just a part of the whole this is new, this is modern, modern is better, let's abandon all restraint and go for it all out approach. I remember my mother's father was like that. He was born in 1896 and he sincerely believed that anything that called itself modern was intrinsically better - while remaining an unrepentant, conservative, authoritarian stick in the mud. It's the mindset that knocked down any and every attractive or welcoming building in favour of cold, charmless concrete boxes. (Though he never had any commitment to the aesthetic or the philosophy of modernism or Le Corbusier.) He favoured clearing all visible grass and trees in favour of a parade ground flat, bare surface - well, he was a lifetime army officer so I suppose he thought we all should live in barracks.

    I'm pretty sure he would have gone for this radiation is good for you sort of thing.
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    These images were taken on the roof of the turbine hall adjacent to Chernobyl's reactor 4 some days after the accident. What you see here are so-called "Ликвидаторы" ( liquidators ), volunteers sent to clean up debris that was ejected from the reactor during the second explosion, and that landed on the roof of the turbine hall nextdoors. Much of this debris consisted of material from the core of the reactor itself, such as pieces of graphite moderators, and even fuel fragments; it was these volunteers' job to hand-shovel the debris off the roof to reduce ambient radiation levels and stop the roof itself from catching fire ( it was made of bitumen-based material ! ). An attempt was initally made to do this work with remote-controlled machines, but these stopped working due to the high levels of ambient radiation.

    Look carefully at these pictures, and note the white streaks at the bottom - that is radiation from the debris you see spread all over the place. These liquidators were only allowed to work 40 seconds at a time on the roof, yet a lot of them received fatal radiation doses even during that short period of time.

    All men you see in these two images except one died of acute radiation sickness within weeks.

    I know what you might be wondering - did they know ? Did they go up there willingly, fully aware of what was happening to them ? From surviving members of these liquidator teams, we can tell today that at least some of them knew what they were getting themselves into. But they went anyway. Why ? Because someone had to do it.

    These are true heroes, if ever there were any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Capitalism is frigin' scary.
    It's not capitalism.
    But I've also been watching scary movies where greed is a factor besides ignorance.
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    The greed comes in when people exploit any and all such attitudes, whether they arise from ignorance, religion or ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
    Toothpaste containing thorium ?? You have got to be kidding me !

    I know people like white teeth but surely even back then they wouldn't have wanted them glowing in the dark, it must have been like some kind of horror movie if all you could could were people's teeth glowing like headlights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I know people like white teeth but surely even back then they wouldn't have wanted them glowing in the dark, it must have been like some kind of horror movie if all you could could were people's teeth glowing like headlights.
    The thorium content was actually pretty low, so there was no glowing the dark. That doesn't mean, however, that the stuff was harmless ! See also Strange's comment, and the link therein...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
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    I know people like white teeth but surely even back then they wouldn't have wanted them glowing in the dark, it must have been like some kind of horror movie if all you could could were people's teeth glowing like headlights.
    The thorium content was actually pretty low, so there was no glowing the dark. That doesn't mean, however, that the stuff was harmless ! See also Strange's comment, and the link therein...
    Are shame, I had visions of being as luminous as watch dials and all these people walking around with glowing green and white teeth scaring the hell out of each other!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I had visions of being as luminous as watch dials...
    One of the other great tragedies of the period was the use of radium for making luminous watch dials. This would have been pretty harmless, given the small amounts involved, if it hadn't been for the fact that the women employed to paint the dials would suck their paintbrushes to keep a sharp point.
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    I had visions of being as luminous as watch dials...
    One of the other great tragedies of the period was the use of radium for making luminous watch dials. This would have been pretty harmless, given the small amounts involved, if it hadn't been for the fact that the women employed to paint the dials would suck their paintbrushes to keep a sharp point.
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    Reminds me of the movie "Miss Evers' Boys", which is based on true events.

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    The 40-year study was controversial for reasons related to ethical standards; primarily because researchers knowingly failed to treat patients appropriately after the 1940s validation of penicillin as an effective cure for the disease they were studying. Revelation of study failures by a whistleblower led to major changes in U.S. law and regulation on the protection of participants in clinical studies. Now studies require informed consent (though foreign consent procedures can be substituted which offer similar protections; such substitutions must be submitted to the Federal Register unless statute or Executive Order require otherwise),[3] communication of diagnosis, and accurate reporting of test results.
    How can people be so callous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    ...How can people be so callous?
    If we knew that, maybe we could fix it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    One of the other great tragedies of the period was the use of radium for making luminous watch dials. This would have been pretty harmless, given the small amounts involved, if it hadn't been for the fact that the women employed to paint the dials would suck their paintbrushes to keep a sharp point.
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    Thanks for this link, Strange. I hadn't heard of this one before, so it is certainly very interesting. Quite incredible really what people will knowingly do in the name of greed and profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
    Holy crap

    Many years ago I studied physics at Reading University.
    As a break we were treated to a lecture on "mistakes" in science.
    The lecturer asked how many of us were Northerners (about 70%) and what our opinion of Southern beer was. 1
    He told us that we would have been entirely justified in our opinion because it was discovered in about 1920 that the majority of water in Southern breweries was radioactive.
    But not to worry, because once that had been discovered the brewers filtered that water carefully to remove the radioactive particles: by using asbestos filters!

    1 For those not familair with we Brits, beer and the North/ South divide, it's a tenet of faith among Northerners that Southern beer is about as tasty and worth drinking as gnat's piss.
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    I'm pretty sure I've seen old advertisement posters selling tapeworm eggs as "diet pills".

    And remedies for babies with teething pains that have either cocaine or heroin (or maybe something else, I forget which).

    Also mercury used to be used as some kind of medicine, didn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    I'm pretty sure I've seen old advertisement posters selling tapeworm eggs as "diet pills".

    And remedies for babies with teething pains that have either cocaine or heroin (or maybe something else, I forget which).

    Also mercury used to be used as some kind of medicine, didn't it?
    Tapeworm eggs? that seems pretty disgusting.

    But certainly mercury has been used for allsorts, in ancient times circa 3500 BC the Egyptians used to use it in cosmetics, then the greeks came along and used it to treat skin diseases. People have even tried ingesting it thinking it might somehow grant them health or even immortality, in 2nd century China they believed mercury was an 'elixir of life'. Then by the 15th century it was being used as a cure for syphilis, which actually carried on right it the 20th century in some cases!
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    Tapeworm eggs? that seems pretty disgusting.
    Some people will do anything for weight reduction. But keep eating what they like anyway.

    Swallow the egg, let the tapeworm consume your food instead of your digestive system absorbing all those lovely nutrients, when you reach your target weight, take a standard vermicide. Kills the worm, you expel it in the usual way. All done.

    What's not to like?

    Ewwww.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Tapeworm eggs? that seems pretty disgusting.
    Some people will do anything for weight reduction. But keep eating what they like anyway.

    Swallow the egg, let the tapeworm consume your food instead of your digestive system absorbing all those lovely nutrients, when you reach your target weight, take a standard vermicide. Kills the worm, you expel it in the usual way. All done.

    What's not to like?

    Ewwww.
    Ewwww? You ain't flippin kidding!
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