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    Here's a must see video called America Freedom to Fascism


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa-FE...elated&search=


    (you might also buy or rent the DVD I think its available but not sure)


    Once you see it tell me what you think


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    Without a resum'e of what it's about, with your own views, it's not likely to be looked at....


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    Actually, I'm watching it. Let me summarize the video for you: It's a conspiracy video full of half-truths. Like saying "every dollar you pay simply goes to pay the national debt interest rate" when in fact, in my state, it's more like 19c out of every dollar. Alarmingly, looking at the way taxes are spent, education is a small 4c out of every dollar (income tax wise). Other important factors are fairly low on the dollar as well, but the fact education is such a low priority doesn't surprise me. No wonder Americans are becoming progressively dumber. However I am unable to find a website that lists expenditures of the taxes as a whole, so i can't really say how the USA spends other taxes aside from income tax.

    Overall, it's a conspiracy video. Like a vegetarian video, it makes things seem worse than they are so you convert to their side. If you watch it, be sure to pause the video and google/wiki/E2 (everything2) things that appear to be complete bullshit. As it most likely is. However, it's an educational experience if you do, since you then learn how much the government is actually spending and where.
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    As I am not in the US if you know what I mean ol'chap, I'll forgo it...

    Doubtless wherever you live, if you pay taxes, some of them get 'hived' off it's something I think you have to accept. The next Gov in will seem ok for a while but then the sight of so many 'greenbacks' (as I think you call them) will inevitably have it's effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    As I am not in the US if you know what I mean ol'chap, I'll forgo it...

    Doubtless wherever you live, if you pay taxes, some of them get 'hived' off it's something I think you have to accept. The next Gov in will seem ok for a while but then the sight of so many 'greenbacks' (as I think you call them) will inevitably have it's effect.
    The problem is that the laws in existence, constitution wise, and everything else, tends to contradict itself. Tax laws are made ESPECIALLY vague for the purpose of milking money from the citizens. The problem is that, despite the fact that tax laws ARE under the class of facism, the country does need them.

    What's worse is that lets assume that in the democratic society, people specifically voted for where the taxes go. Lets also assume that they could say what would be taxed, how much, etc. Democracy depends on people being intelligent enough to make educated decisions, the problem is most people *AREN'T*.

    So because people are so stupid, they need and deserve the facist laws that are being implemented. In the end, the people get the government they deserve, and the government gets the people it deserves.

    I find it sad the USA will go down, not in fireworks, but in a sea of stupidity as it collapses in on it's own incompetence.
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    Here's another documentary

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I49AZ...elated&search=

    (you can look up "money masters" )

    It focuses on the origin of the Federal Reserve, the agency most people think is a government agancy but is apparently a privately owned conglomerate of private bankers that have a great influnce on the money supply of the united states.

    As such this group of Bankers profits subtantially from the US's debt throught interests, can profit from the influence they have in the supply (similar to insider trading), use their great wealth to subvert and control legislation (and it was not mentioned here but they also influnce the media, which goes back to the Spanish-American war and war more elaborate prior to WW1, then evolved to propaganda which inspired Hilter)
    It also does not explore the role of their influence in having the media push the public into war and the profits they derive from this racket as Smedley Butler explained in 'War is a Racket'.
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    I think for a long while now, politicians and governments have been told what to do by the so called “Market” short of a revolution , which I do not think will be possible, we better get used to it. Perhaps there will be a second coming???
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    ----EDIT----
    I do not claim to be politically correct. If in fact I am incorrect, do provide sources or some measure of higher understanding of how taxes, politics, etc, works. I don't feel like sifting blindly through millions of obscure tax laws just to find out if I'm perfectly accurate.


    Quote Originally Posted by Die Fledermaus
    I think for a long while now, politicians and governments have been told what to do by the so called “Market” short of a revolution , which I do not think will be possible, we better get used to it. Perhaps there will be a second coming???
    The problem with laws today is that they're there...for the sake of being a law. "why do I have to pay taxes on my heard-earned income that you did not lift a finger to aid in?" - "Because it's the law" would be a common reply.

    Yet there is some logic to be found in income tax. The more income you make, the more taxes on it you have to pay. This supposedly prevents the rich from getting too-much cash too-fast, and aids in helping the poor via government programs. By harnessing that cash the rich probably wont need for anything else other than getting richer.

    However the *problem* with taxes is that they are raising in percentage. what would be 1% last year is 2% this year (exaggeration). Why does that happen? Tax percentage should not increase.
    Here is why: No matter how much money is worth, isn't worth, etc, the economy will adapt for it, and so will the tax percentage. Since the percentage is a constant of what you make, it doesn't matter if one day $5 equals $100, since you still get the same 1% off of it. The government would still make the same amount of cash, and *should* end up with enough leftover for extra-funding or the surplus.

    And yet...the tax percentage keeps increasing. Where is the money going? It isn't going into education, since the education system is just as bad as it was. There is no education reform.
    It isn't going into the military. The military is still using basically the same stuff it has for a while now. the recruit rate is *NOT* high enough to justify a large tax increase.
    Is it going to health benefits? No, in fact health benefits are being cut world-wide!

    So where is it going? Who the hell knows. for a guess I'd say politicians pockets, bankers, or the national debt. Probably all three.

    However, the government does use taxes for some benefits. Like social security, defense, and everything else. The problem is almost NOBODY can agree on how they are being spent. Especially those who seek better education like myself. And partisan ignorance doesn't exactly help people make educated decisions, either, since they've turned politics into a football game.

    It's really quite sad, however, how politicians are out for money rather than the countries own gain. They should realize they aren't playing with a checker board, they're toying with the world.

    ----EDIT 2----

    And if you'll care to google for the amount currently spent on non-US economy things, you'll get a glimpse of how much is being siphoned out of the US. I look at the estimated dollar amount and think "If all, or half, of that cash was spent inside the USA we'd be in a god damn utopia"
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