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    While living rural outside Phoenix, my wife reached down into a bale of hay with her bare hand, screamed, and yanked her hand out with one of these bitten into her palm:






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    I think, "If it bites, bite it back."


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    I think, "If it bites, bite it back."
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    Biting the hand that feeds you is totally acceptable. After-all, if the hand is feeding you, then you must bite it in order to tear off a chunk, masticate and digest its nutrients. If you don't bite, it can't feed you now can it?
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    [QUOTE=jocular;447417]While living rural outside Phoenix, my wife reached down into a bale of hay with her bare hand, screamed, and yanked her hand out with one of these bitten into her palm:




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    CENTIPEDE!! IKES!!! they aren't user friendly!


    I know them well!!! We have them in Hawai'i! My condolences
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    Never EVER reach into a cool, shaded, dark place with a bare hand. Forget a centipede, there could have been a rattler or scorpion in there.

    I think it's also worth commenting that centipedes do not have poison mouthparts, but rather modified legparts called forcipules. She wasn't technically "bitten".

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    "The uploader has not made this video available in your country."


    I'd freak out and kill it . I have a selective, irrational hate of various critters. I don't know how big the one in the video is, but those things can get BIG.

    Fascinating creatures though. The role of segmentation in evolution comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    "The uploader has not made this video available in your country."


    I'd freak out and kill it . I have a selective, irrational hate of various critters. I don't know how big the one in the video is, but those things can get BIG.

    Fascinating creatures though. The role of segmentation in evolution comes to mind.

    Evolution of Segmentation (PDF)
    It was said in the narration to be 11 inches long. Compared to a mouse which it kills, that is believable! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Never EVER reach into a cool, shaded, dark place with a bare hand. Forget a centipede, there could have been a rattler or scorpion in there.

    I think it's also worth commenting that centipedes do not have poison mouthparts, but rather modified legparts called forcipules. She wasn't technically "bitten".

    This factoid of the day was brought to you by the annoying guy who corrects your grammar in front of others. Please don't hit him in the face.

    Is she okay?
    I always aim for the torso, less likely to miss. She is fine, developed a quarter-sized red welt which lasted about a week. The incident happened while we were renting a house temporarily on the foothills of the Phoenix South Mountain Park. Scorpions were for some reason "thick" there. The house used ducts which fed into each room above a doorway for both for heating and cooling. One evening I saw several scorpions get blown out of the vent grill in the living room by the rush of air from the swamp cooler up on the roof! This was unnerving enough, but I had to determine how in the hell were they getting into the ductwork. Next day, I saw several on the roof outside, which had crawled upwards from the ground up the wall, onto the roof, and heading toward the swamp cooler! They managed I figured to work their way through the wood-shaving pads, got inside the cooler, where air velocities a very high, drawn into the squirrel-cage blower, and discharged into the duct system below.

    Further on scorpions: I took a job in Colorado years ago, newly-divorced, moved there alone with my two cats, rented a small house. Just getting light after first night spent there, it was very hot, I was lying in bed on my back, bare-ass naked, saw something strange on the ceiling directly above me, grabbed my glasses, scorpion about 4 inches long crawling upside-down on the ceiling! I never rolled off a bed more quickly than that time! Who the hell could have guessed those damn things could do that? Turned out, the crawl space beneath the house had hundreds of them. The hillside west of town was said to have tarantulas as big as "teacups"! This, in Colorado, at 5,000 feet altitude? Go figure!

    When I lived in Vegas a few years before the Colorado stint, I watched amazed one afternoon as I entered the garage, my male cat, the big guy, had cornered a huge scorpion, at least 6 or 7 inches long including the tail, and he was stabbing at it with his front paw, as cats do, seemingly aware of the potential harm possible, very quick hits, which the scorpion of course had no chance of really responding to. He continued this for quite awhile, until finally satisfied it was dead. I preserved that specimen in casting plastic, but lost it somwhere amidst several moves.

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    Shuddering...

    I am seriously creeped out by many-jointed insects and creepy crawlies of large size. Although I can logically and rationally understand how to take precautions against them, it is a conscious effort to quell my visceral response to their presence.

    Bears and moose are potentially far more dangerous but I have grown up around them and so my responses are more conditioned. Right now, the black flies are just reaching their peak and they are a misery for the poor horses. Bug dope applied will kill them but it does not deter them from dying with a mouthful of horse or human. Numerous and nasty little insects.
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    Only one kind of centipede really freaks me out. The house centipede:



    No all that big, not uncommon, not even particularly dangerous. Still, the sight of one gives me chills. I can't explain it.

    I've handled timber rattlers, spiders, and one very angry raccoon, all far more menacing, yet these little guys are the only ones that make my heart race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    "The uploader has not made this video available in your country."


    I'd freak out and kill it . I have a selective, irrational hate of various critters. I don't know how big the one in the video is, but those things can get BIG.

    Fascinating creatures though. The role of segmentation in evolution comes to mind.

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    It was said in the narration to be 11 inches long. Compared to a mouse which it kills, that is believable! jocular
    The giant centipede in your video is from tropical South America. The desert centipede, which is probably what you came across in the hay bale, gets to be about 8 inches long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Turned out, the crawl space beneath the house had hundreds of them.
    I could curl some hair or some toes telling stories of the days I was a Plumber...
    Working in the crawl spaces under houses, to repair plumbing, I was often laying in what looked like scenes from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I kid you not. I've had home owners and customers peek under to see how the work was going only to start doing the "Spider Dance" (people often do this when they walk through a web unexpectedly) outside of the crawlspace hatch in vicarious shivers. Another similar situation was if they were outside the crawlspace when I exited from beneath the house and was covered head to toe in spiders and insects and they'd start hopping around in a minor freak out.
    Funny how none of these folks complained one bit when they saw the normal bill. They were happy to pay.

    Centipedes around here average less than two inches long. We've got scorpions and a variety of spiders and the like. I've seen a Black Widow only Once. Never have actually SEEN a Brown Recluse, here- though I know they are here.
    But I've laid out in the darkness and in the dirt under a house in all of the many varieties more times than I can count when that homeowner simply hadn't been able to afford regular insect control and I can tell you... feeling HUNDREDS of unknown creepers all over you when trapped in a tiny dark area is an experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Turned out, the crawl space beneath the house had hundreds of them.
    I could curl some hair or some toes telling stories of the days I was a Plumber...
    Working in the crawl spaces under houses, to repair plumbing, I was often laying in what looked like scenes from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I kid you not. I've had home owners and customers peek under to see how the work was going only to start doing the "Spider Dance" (people often do this when they walk through a web unexpectedly) outside of the crawlspace hatch in vicarious shivers. Another similar situation was if they were outside the crawlspace when I exited from beneath the house and was covered head to toe in spiders and insects and they'd start hopping around in a minor freak out.
    Funny how none of these folks complained one bit when they saw the normal bill. They were happy to pay.

    Centipedes around here average less than two inches long. We've got scorpions and a variety of spiders and the like. I've seen a Black Widow only Once. Never have actually SEEN a Brown Recluse, here- though I know they are here.
    But I've laid out in the darkness and in the dirt under a house in all of the many varieties more times than I can count when that homeowner simply hadn't been able to afford regular insect control and I can tell you... feeling HUNDREDS of unknown creepers all over you when trapped in a tiny dark area is an experience.
    I used to have a pet black widow that I kept in a small tank. A friend of mine had a very large injury on his arm from a nest of brown recluses, had to be hospitalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Only one kind of centipede really freaks me out. The house centipede:



    No all that big, not uncommon, not even particularly dangerous. Still, the sight of one gives me chills. I can't explain it.

    I've handled timber rattlers, spiders, and one very angry raccoon, all far more menacing, yet these little guys are the only ones that make my heart race.
    Glad you mentioned them. Little? I slept in our basement in Chicago area in summer, those damn things came out at night. They could move so fast, it was almost impossible to hit one. Once in the night one of the bastards bit me, I forget by now just where. They were half-dollar sized, easily, across the legs. In MO it was the Copperheads, very common. joc
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    Their speed makes them very hard to catch and take outside if they give you the willies like they do to me. An envelope from some junk mail doesn't work. They cover the distance to your hand in a fraction of a second. I have to break out the Bug Box from when I was a kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    J. H. Christ! Some folks evidently would eat anything. Now, I wonder if it's safe to swaller a rattlesnake's rattles while they are still a'rattlin'? joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Never EVER reach into a cool, shaded, dark place with a bare hand. Forget a centipede, there could have been a rattler or scorpion in there.

    I think it's also worth commenting that centipedes do not have poison mouthparts, but rather modified legparts called forcipules. She wasn't technically "bitten".

    This factoid of the day was brought to you by the annoying guy who corrects your grammar in front of others. Please don't hit him in the face.

    Is she okay?
    not to mention spider like brown recluse and black widows........nothing to shake a stick at!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    "The uploader has not made this video available in your country."


    I'd freak out and kill it . I have a selective, irrational hate of various critters. I don't know how big the one in the video is, but those things can get BIG.

    Fascinating creatures though. The role of segmentation in evolution comes to mind.

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    The largest I have seen, in Hawai'i was about 7 inches......usually more like 4 inches....and they utterly creep me out!

    Scorpions do also.

    Yuck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Their speed makes them very hard to catch and take outside if they give you the willies like they do to me. An envelope from some junk mail doesn't work. They cover the distance to your hand in a fraction of a second. I have to break out the Bug Box from when I was a kid.
    I stomp them with a rubber hammer.

    No bad feelings hit me when they are dead.
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    why would you want to??????????
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    why would you want to??????????
    Because being an asshole is now politically correct. joc
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    why would you want to??????????
    Because being an asshole is now politically correct. joc
    I fail miserably at being politically correct. SO I can claim the name ASSHOLE? *chuckle*
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    not to mention spider like brown recluse and black widows........nothing to shake a stick at!
    It's funny how people are so easily scared by dangerous, but often calm creatures. The brown recluse you need to fear is the one you DON'T see. I've handled plenty and never been bitten. It's just about handling them properly. The same is very true for snakes, which I encounter almost daily. The number of people who fear constrictors makes me laugh.

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    I stomp them with a rubber hammer.

    No bad feelings hit me when they are dead.
    You should feel bad. Why would you willfully kill an important and beneficial creature? Out of fear and ignorance? That's hardly a good reason.
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    You've all decided for me. I'm damned if I'm going outside. I've taken up a defensive position in the middle of the room, turned off the aircon and will have my food brought to me on transparent dishes.
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    There is one animal of which you should be most wary, John Galt. It is the deadliest animal on this planet. Each year, it kills more people than all other animals combined.

    Given the attitudes toward mildly poisonous or icky-looking critters some people here are demonstrating, it is only logical to recommend that you immediately kill any human that comes near you.
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    Normally, I leave spiders, wasps, bees, etc... alone, and lay old boards out in the garden so the snakes can shelter and lay eggs under them.
    However when stung, I kill. 4 days ago, I went to move my old stepvan(which I have been using as a mobile storage shed for 20 years) After getting it started, I had trouble getting pressure up for the brakes, so I went around to the engine compartment to check the fluid, and a wasp stung me on the tip of my nose---quick dash to take a couple antihistamines, and grab a can of wasp and hornet spray, and I killed the whole damned nest of 'em--------? Am I selecting for less agressive wasps by killing any agressive ones?
    Normally, I like wasps because they prey on garden pests and I do not use poison on food i intend to eat.
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    Strange story here, but related to wasps. I was cutting down a dead pine tree in my yard in Oregon. It was no more than 10 feet tall and had been shaded out by the trees around it. As I'm chopping at the base, I feel a sharp pain on my ear. Almost immediately, I feel another on my arm. I notice, quite to my horror, that I'm being swarmed by hornets. I ran, quickly as I could, back into my house feeling like I was on fire.

    I pulled off my clothes fast as I could and I saw dozens of them still on me. Who should come to my rescue but my dog. He starts, with a precision and deftness that I didn't know he could manage, biting them in half in mid air. After he annihilated their air force, he went after the ones on my clothing lying on the floor. It was an impressive display and I have to admit I was very thankful.

    Now, I have no allergies and I experienced no side effects from the sting (except that I had broken my glasses in my flurry), but it was quite an experience. I quite ignorantly assumed that a dead old tree was doing no one any good and that I could just get rid of it. Whilst I avoided the tree from then on out, I think that may have been my defining moment in realizing that my human perspective of life was a bit arrogant and could lead to foolhardy decision-making.

    I've tried to be more open-minded about other forms of life since then. Painful way to learn a lesson, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Normally, I leave spiders, wasps, bees, etc... alone, and lay old boards out in the garden so the snakes can shelter and lay eggs under them.
    However when stung, I kill. 4 days ago, I went to move my old stepvan(which I have been using as a mobile storage shed for 20 years) After getting it started, I had trouble getting pressure up for the brakes, so I went around to the engine compartment to check the fluid, and a wasp stung me on the tip of my nose---quick dash to take a couple antihistamines, and grab a can of wasp and hornet spray, and I killed the whole damned nest of 'em--------? Am I selecting for less agressive wasps by killing any agressive ones?
    Normally, I like wasps because they prey on garden pests and I do not use poison on food i intend to eat.
    Your reaction may be justified, in that killing this type of insect near a nest of them can prove exceedingly painful, if not deadly:

    Hornets are the largest eusocial wasps; some species can reach up to 5.6 cm (2.2 in) in length
    Hornets, like many social wasps, can mobilize the entire nest to sting in defense
    Individual hornets can sting multiple times; unlike typical bees
    If a hornet is killed near a nest it may release pheromone which can cause the other hornets to attack

    We had zillions of these in the Ozarks, some nests larger than a basketball. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I've tried to be more open-minded about other forms of life since then. Painful way to learn a lesson, though.
    Quite a story, to be sure. The outcome could have been far worse. Your consideration for the overall picture is commendable; most would have forever killed any insect encountered thereafter. joc
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    not to mention spider like brown recluse and black widows........nothing to shake a stick at!
    It's funny how people are so easily scared by dangerous, but often calm creatures. The brown recluse you need to fear is the one you DON'T see. I've handled plenty and never been bitten. It's just about handling them properly. The same is very true for snakes, which I encounter almost daily. The number of people who fear constrictors makes me laugh.


    If I ran into a brown recluse it would be in a wood pile when I was stacking the wood box.

    You may be around them all the time, but the general population is NOT!

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    I stomp them with a rubber hammer.

    No bad feelings hit me when they are dead.
    You should feel bad. Why would you willfully kill an important and beneficial creature? Out of fear and ignorance? That's hardly a good reason.
    A CENTIPEDE! or a SCORPION!

    Sorry...I don't find them important OR beneficial....I just find them giving me the heebie jeebies! UGH
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Normally, I leave spiders, wasps, bees, etc... alone, and lay old boards out in the garden so the snakes can shelter and lay eggs under them.
    However when stung, I kill. 4 days ago, I went to move my old stepvan(which I have been using as a mobile storage shed for 20 years) After getting it started, I had trouble getting pressure up for the brakes, so I went around to the engine compartment to check the fluid, and a wasp stung me on the tip of my nose---quick dash to take a couple antihistamines, and grab a can of wasp and hornet spray, and I killed the whole damned nest of 'em--------? Am I selecting for less agressive wasps by killing any agressive ones?
    Normally, I like wasps because they prey on garden pests and I do not use poison on food i intend to eat.
    NEVER use poison on what you are going to eat.

    I am allergic to bees, wasps, etc, even mosquito bites, so I simply attempt to avoid them......and bees, I'd never kill!! Wasps...well different story.......and mosquito's....no grief involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    You've all decided for me. I'm damned if I'm going outside. I've taken up a defensive position in the middle of the room, turned off the aircon and will have my food brought to me on transparent dishes.

    Throwing netting over you......oh.....and where is the bathroom....
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    A CENTIPEDE! or a SCORPION!

    Sorry...I don't find them important OR beneficial....I just find them giving me the heebie jeebies! UGH
    It doesn't matter what you "find important". The fact is that many creatures which pose a serious threat to us or, in this case, happen to be "ugly" (I believe a biological response to dangerous life forms built up over generations, nothing more) still have very important roles to play.

    We can eliminate all snakes, but would you rather we be overrun by mice? We could kill all spiders, but we would need deodorant with 40% DEET. The list goes on.

    I wouldn't ask you to hug every centipede or scorpion you see (in fact, I'd highly recommend you don't), I would just suggest that you consider their role before you kill them. That centipede or scorpion may be the one that keeps the mouse out of your pantry or prevents a rodent disease vector from spreading.
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    Have you ever watched a scorpion eat? I watched one catch and eat a grasshopper, once. It just grabbed it and held it in the large pincers and then two much smaller pincers unfolded from its mouthparts and they tore off little tiny pieces and crammed those pieces in its mouth. The whole time, the grasshopper was alive and struggling. Pretty horrific to watch, really...
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    There's no accounting for feelings in the wild world. Sometimes, I start getting this arrogant notion we're above all that.

    Then I turn on the news...
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    A CENTIPEDE! or a SCORPION!

    Sorry...I don't find them important OR beneficial....I just find them giving me the heebie jeebies! UGH
    It doesn't matter what you "find important". The fact is that many creatures which pose a serious threat to us or, in this case, happen to be "ugly" (I believe a biological response to dangerous life forms built up over generations, nothing more) still have very important roles to play.





    We can eliminate all snakes, but would you rather we be overrun by mice? We could kill all spiders, but we would need deodorant with 40% DEET. The list goes on.

    I wouldn't ask you to hug every centipede or scorpion you see (in fact, I'd highly recommend you don't), I would just suggest that you consider their role before you kill them. That centipede or scorpion may be the one that keeps the mouse out of your pantry or prevents a rodent disease vector from spreading.
    I understand how you feel, but personally, a cat can do that and it won't bite me.

    As for snakes......they aren't indigenous to the islands....therefore....I really don't want them. I don't care about here, where they are. You just work around each other. Usually you don't bother them, they don't bother you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I understand how you feel, but personally, a cat can do that and it won't bite me.
    Cats are one of the MOST dangerous invasive species. They are disease vectors, they can become feral and aggressive, they can decimate beneficial animal populations...

    We can't justify wiping out one species by replacing it with another. The pieces aren't interchangeable.

    Just an anecdote; the only animal that ever bit me was a cat. Punctured my arm and hit my median nerve. I lost feeling in part of my hand for several months while it healed.

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    As for snakes......they aren't indigenous to the islands....therefore....I really don't want them. I don't care about here, where they are. You just work around each other. Usually you don't bother them, they don't bother you.
    I agree with removing introduced populations. I was just referring to native species.
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    I understand how you feel, but personally, a cat can do that and it won't bite me.
    Cats are one of the MOST dangerous invasive species. They are disease vectors, they can become feral and aggressive, they can decimate beneficial animal populations...

    We can't justify wiping out one species by replacing it with another. The pieces aren't interchangeable.

    Just an anecdote; the only animal that ever bit me was a cat. Punctured my arm and hit my median nerve. I lost feeling in part of my hand for several months while it healed.

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    As for snakes......they aren't indigenous to the islands....therefore....I really don't want them. I don't care about here, where they are. You just work around each other. Usually you don't bother them, they don't bother you.
    I agree with removing introduced populations. I was just referring to native species.
    We have over 1,000,000 feral cats in Hawai'i. Not kidding.

    I adopted ....let's see...13 (between the bar cart lady and I) and we got them spayed and returned to their "home" and I feed them and have for 8 years.....going on 9. There are 3 left. People literally dump their kittens.

    It's ******** STUPID!

    Well I was talking native snakes too. Thanks for the clarification.

    However......no centipede or scorpion who enters my house will survive, if I see it.

    I actually trapped a MONGOOSE in my house and chased it into the GUEST BEDROOM. I am no withering flower.....
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    I understand how you feel, but personally, a cat can do that and it won't bite me.
    Cats are one of the MOST dangerous invasive species. They are disease vectors, they can become feral and aggressive, they can decimate beneficial animal populations...

    We can't justify wiping out one species by replacing it with another. The pieces aren't interchangeable.

    Just an anecdote; the only animal that ever bit me was a cat. Punctured my arm and hit my median nerve. I lost feeling in part of my hand for several months while it healed.

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    As for snakes......they aren't indigenous to the islands....therefore....I really don't want them. I don't care about here, where they are. You just work around each other. Usually you don't bother them, they don't bother you.
    I agree with removing introduced populations. I was just referring to native species.
    We have over 1,000,000 feral cats in Hawai'i. Not kidding.

    I adopted ....let's see...13 (between the bar cart lady and I) and we got them spayed and returned to their "home" and I feed them and have for 8 years.....going on 9. There are 3 left. People literally dump their kittens.

    It's ******** STUPID!

    Well I was talking native snakes too. Thanks for the clarification.

    However......no centipede or scorpion who enters my house will survive, if I see it.

    I actually trapped a MONGOOSE in my house and chased it into the GUEST BEDROOM. I am no withering flower.....
    It is illegal, I believe, to bring a mongoose into the United States. It is illegal, I know, to bring any of the large fruit-eating bats into the country. They are known commonly as "flying foxes", due to their facial appearance. They can have a wingspread of up to four feet! A swarm of them can decimate a grove of fruit overnight. joc
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    While living rural outside Phoenix, my wife reached down into a bale of hay with her bare hand, screamed, and yanked her hand out with one of these bitten into her palm:

    What do you think of that? jocular
    CENTIPEDE!! IKES!!! they aren't user friendly!


    I know them well!!! We have them in Hawai'i! My condolences
    I've also seen them Hawaii, but I lived in Tucson, AZ for 8 years and never saw or even heard of any such centipedes there. There may be centipedes, but I'll bet there nothing even close to as big as this one in the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    A CENTIPEDE! or a SCORPION!

    Sorry...I don't find them important OR beneficial....I just find them giving me the heebie jeebies! UGH
    It doesn't matter what you "find important". The fact is that many creatures which pose a serious threat to us or, in this case, happen to be "ugly" (I believe a biological response to dangerous life forms built up over generations, nothing more) still have very important roles to play.

    We can eliminate all snakes, but would you rather we be overrun by mice? We could kill all spiders, but we would need deodorant with 40% DEET. The list goes on.

    I wouldn't ask you to hug every centipede or scorpion you see (in fact, I'd highly recommend you don't), I would just suggest that you consider their role before you kill them. That centipede or scorpion may be the one that keeps the mouse out of your pantry or prevents a rodent disease vector from spreading.
    If they are on my property or in my home and they are annoying me, I will kill them without any regret. Other than that, it's live and let live.

    But let me ask you this, what would you do if you woke up one morning and found you had bed bug bits on you? Are you going to give those little blood suckers the key to your house? Well I feel that way about any bugs in my house.
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    Yikes, never seen a centipede over a couple inches long. Have to admit it would surprise me more than a bit. As a general rule I never stick my bare hand into places I can't see.
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    But let me ask you this, what would you do if you woke up one morning and found you had bed bug bits on you? Are you going to give those little blood suckers the key to your house? Well I feel that way about any bugs in my house.
    I'm not sure about relating t snakes to bed bugs. Snakes are not parasites.

    Feels like a loaded question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    But let me ask you this, what would you do if you woke up one morning and found you had bed bug bits on you? Are you going to give those little blood suckers the key to your house? Well I feel that way about any bugs in my house.
    I'm not sure about relating t snakes to bed bugs. Snakes are not parasites.

    Feels like a loaded question.
    I was primarily referring to the bugs part of your post. But I will say if you control the bugs around and in your house, many other animals that feed on those bugs will look else where for their food.
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    It IS a loaded question. The problem is that the question cannot be unloaded. Define "Parasite" without a bias stemming from our perspective.
    Define "predator" the same way.
    They are just different means to the same end.
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    My argument would be simply that we're not in danger of damaging ecosystems from wiping out too many bedbugs. Losing snakes, however, can have a more profound impact.

    The fact that snakes don't infest my bed notwithstanding, I DO take measures to prevent bedbug infestations as I would take measures to prevent snakes from making a nest in an inappropriate place. Thus far, I have never had bedbugs or fleas in significant quantities in my home.
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    I've also seen them Hawaii, but I lived in Tucson, AZ for 8 years and never saw or even heard of any such centipedes there. There may be centipedes, but I'll bet there nothing even close to as big as this one in the video.
    Yep. We often found their dried out carcasses when hiking in Phoenix South Mountain Park. 8 to 10 inch length was not uncommon. The body segments become quite hard when exposed for long periods as I supppose the exoskeleton (?) sort of petrified. The one which bit my wife was about 4 inches long, it swumg from side to side as she tried to shake it off her hand. Scary as hell! joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    My argument would be simply that we're not in danger of damaging ecosystems from wiping out too many bedbugs. Losing snakes, however, can have a more profound impact.

    The fact that snakes don't infest my bed notwithstanding, I DO take measures to prevent bedbug infestations as I would take measures to prevent snakes from making a nest in an inappropriate place. Thus far, I have never had bedbugs or fleas in significant quantities in my home.
    This implies, then, that you have had both? joc
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    I've also seen them Hawaii, but I lived in Tucson, AZ for 8 years and never saw or even heard of any such centipedes there. There may be centipedes, but I'll bet there nothing even close to as big as this one in the video.
    Yep. We often found their dried out carcasses when hiking in Phoenix South Mountain Park. 8 to 10 inch length was not uncommon. The body segments become quite hard when exposed for long periods as I suppose the exoskeleton (?) sort of petrified. The one which bit my wife was about 4 inches long, it swung from side to side as she tried to shake it off her hand. Scary as hell! joc
    There's lot's of bugs I don't want biting me, and centipedes of all sizes are fairly high on that list. But I'm also not very fond of scorpions. A friend of mine got stung by a bark scorpion and he had a reaction that made it hard for him to breath for several hours.

    As buggy as Arizona is, both Dallas Texas and Sacramento Calif. are much worse.
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    I understand how you feel, but personally, a cat can do that and it won't bite me.
    Cats are one of the MOST dangerous invasive species. They are disease vectors, they can become feral and aggressive, they can decimate beneficial animal populations...

    We can't justify wiping out one species by replacing it with another. The pieces aren't interchangeable.

    Just an anecdote; the only animal that ever bit me was a cat. Punctured my arm and hit my median nerve. I lost feeling in part of my hand for several months while it healed.

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    As for snakes......they aren't indigenous to the islands....therefore....I really don't want them. I don't care about here, where they are. You just work around each other. Usually you don't bother them, they don't bother you.
    I agree with removing introduced populations. I was just referring to native species.
    We have over 1,000,000 feral cats in Hawai'i. Not kidding.

    I adopted ....let's see...13 (between the bar cart lady and I) and we got them spayed and returned to their "home" and I feed them and have for 8 years.....going on 9. There are 3 left. People literally dump their kittens.

    It's ******** STUPID!

    Well I was talking native snakes too. Thanks for the clarification.

    However......no centipede or scorpion who enters my house will survive, if I see it.

    I actually trapped a MONGOOSE in my house and chased it into the GUEST BEDROOM. I am no withering flower.....
    It is illegal, I believe, to bring a mongoose into the United States. It is illegal, I know, to bring any of the large fruit-eating bats into the country. They are known commonly as "flying foxes", due to their facial appearance. They can have a wingspread of up to four feet! A swarm of them can decimate a grove of fruit overnight. joc
    I don't think you GOT IT!

    A MONGOOSE GOT INTO MY HOUSE in Hawai'i.....I didn't invite it. It got in through a dryer vent from the outside...ate through vent hose and was visiting.

    I freaking saw it...chased it with a golf club into the guest room and into the guest bathroom, and shut the door!

    I wasn't importing it.

    I wasn't exporting it.

    I wanted it out of my ******* house!

    I called Maintenance and in 2 minutes I had 8 vehicles in my driveway trying to figure how to get the little ******* out of my bathroom.....you'd have thought it was a party....and they love me now.....no other homeowner has ever trapped a freaking mongoose in her house in 47 years.

    Oh and I redid the vent, outside....and that little sucker came back and tried...saw it's prints.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
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    While living rural outside Phoenix, my wife reached down into a bale of hay with her bare hand, screamed, and yanked her hand out with one of these bitten into her palm:

    What do you think of that? jocular
    CENTIPEDE!! IKES!!! they aren't user friendly!


    I know them well!!! We have them in Hawai'i! My condolences
    I've also seen them Hawaii, but I lived in Tucson, AZ for 8 years and never saw or even heard of any such centipedes there. There may be centipedes, but I'll bet there nothing even close to as big as this one in the video.
    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/3137044_f260.jpg


    http://www.backyardchickens.com/foru...-centipede.jpg


    http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...ede_pa_ok2.jpg


    they be big
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    A CENTIPEDE! or a SCORPION!

    Sorry...I don't find them important OR beneficial....I just find them giving me the heebie jeebies! UGH
    It doesn't matter what you "find important". The fact is that many creatures which pose a serious threat to us or, in this case, happen to be "ugly" (I believe a biological response to dangerous life forms built up over generations, nothing more) still have very important roles to play.

    We can eliminate all snakes, but would you rather we be overrun by mice? We could kill all spiders, but we would need deodorant with 40% DEET. The list goes on.

    I wouldn't ask you to hug every centipede or scorpion you see (in fact, I'd highly recommend you don't), I would just suggest that you consider their role before you kill them. That centipede or scorpion may be the one that keeps the mouse out of your pantry or prevents a rodent disease vector from spreading.
    If they are on my property or in my home and they are annoying me, I will kill them without any regret. Other than that, it's live and let live.

    But let me ask you this, what would you do if you woke up one morning and found you had bed bug bits on you? Are you going to give those little blood suckers the key to your house? Well I feel that way about any bugs in my house.
    absolutely agreed


    Lucy, please open those URL's I posted....I have seen them that big....scares the bejesus out of me!
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    This implies, then, that you have had both? joc
    Not that I am aware of, but I would hesitate to use absolutes as I cannot be sure.
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