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  1. #1 Awakening , a good youtube clip. *Some images may upset sensitive viewers* 
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDD7wfNn0xs

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    Do you believe that new generations will be more awaken?

    P.S A little warning, this video has some disturbing scenes.


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    You could warn people about the content matey......


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    Er... what do we need to be warned about?
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    I think humans will destroy themselves because they do not care about their environment as we look around us today and see all the pollution and devastation that is happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Er... what do we need to be warned about?
    Call me sensitive but I don't want to see animals being beaten to death for even a few seconds. I've got enough horrible stuff in my head without adding more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post
    Call me sensitive but I don't want to see animals being beaten to death for even a few seconds.
    OK. I can't imagine what that has to do with "awakening" and don't feel motivated to find out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    Call me sensitive but I don't want to see animals being beaten to death for even a few seconds.
    OK. I can't imagine what that has to do with "awakening" and don't feel motivated to find out...
    If you beat an animal they wake up.
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    WTF? I didn't watch the video, but I looked at the still from the time bar and it was all just blood and guts and beat up dogs. That kind of stuff should definitely come with a foreword. Some of us know that kind of garbage exists and we don't need to see it on camera to be motivated to stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I think humans will destroy themselves because they do not care about their environment as we look around us today and see all the pollution and devastation that is happening.
    Do you believe that the whole planet is in profound process of awakening and that our descendants will live in an excellent relationship with nature,because only our descendants will be completely able to comprehend the beauty of it. I know this is going to sound mystical and it isn't supported by science but my honest belief is that mother nature always return tit for tat, if we behave bad to her we will react in a same way,karmaaa.

    Uh I am sorry for not mentioning that there are few disturbing scenes in the video I posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3l1 View Post
    Do you believe that the whole planet is in profound process of awakening and that our descendants will live in an excellent relationship with nature,because only our descendants will be completely able to comprehend the beauty of it.
    Why do you think that might happen in the future if it hasn't happened yet?

    Uh I am sorry for not mentioning that there are few disturbing scenes in the video I posted.
    You could edit the post and add a warning.
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    I don't know if a poster can edit his title, but a mod might want to consider a NSFW tag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I don't know if a poster can edit his title, but a mod might want to consider a NSFW tag.
    I added a warning.

    There are a few upsetting images, but maybe some people need to see it to catch a wakeup call. The majority of it is very positive though and the message is a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3l1 View Post
    Do you believe that the whole planet is in profound process of awakening and that our descendants will live in an excellent relationship with nature,because only our descendants will be completely able to comprehend the beauty of it.
    Why do you think that might happen in the future if it hasn't happened yet?

    Because we are constantly evolving in many ways, including our consciousness about environment. =)
    And one reason more is because of my optimistic attitude..

    I added a warning.

    There are a few upsetting images, but maybe some people need to see it to catch a wakeup call. The majority of it is very positive though and the message is a good one.
    I was on my way to edit topic name although I added a waning in the first post. Thanks for editing and sorry I did not point out that there are few disturbing scenes..
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I don't know if a poster can edit his title, but a mod might want to consider a NSFW tag.
    I added a warning.

    There are a few upsetting images, but maybe some people need to see it to catch a wakeup call. The majority of it is very positive though and the message is a good one.
    I think the problem was that I was expecting a good news story so was blind-sided by those horrible images. At least if a WWF ad comes on I know what to expect and can turn over (which I do). I spend a lot of time and money trying to make sure things like that don't happen to animals but I cant watch it, it makes me feel sad, angry, sick, despairing, outraged and helpless so I avoid images of it when I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3l1 View Post
    Do you believe that the whole planet is in profound process of awakening and that our descendants will live in an excellent relationship with nature,because only our descendants will be completely able to comprehend the beauty of it.

    I cannot accept the first statement in your sentence. In my opinion, Earth is not able to awake.
    The second part is open to debate, but I have the same opinion as member cosmictraveler.

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    I know this is going to sound mystical and it isn't supported by science but my honest belief is that mother nature always return tit for tat, if we behave bad to her we will react in a same way,karmaaa.

    I do not agree with your vision, but you are (as any individual is) entitled to your own beliefs.
    Besides, there is already a thread about this concept, made by member wegs.
    (cf. Do you believe we reap what we sow?)
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    I cannot accept the first statement in your sentence. In my opinion, Earth is not able to awake.
    The second part is open to debate, but I have the same opinion as member cosmictraveler.
    That was a metaphor, by saying the whole planet I meant 'whole population on our planet'... and I am kind of sure that you understood it..

    Do you have an arguments for your opinion? Why do you think that people won't change their relationship with nature in future?? Slowly but surely people are becoming aware that our planet is threatened by ourselves..and if we keep behaving toward our planet like we did in the last few centuries we can easily be threatened as well. We couldn't grasp it earlier but as it becomes a matter of our existence the things aren't as vague as before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3l1 View Post
    Do you have an arguments for your opinion? Why do you think that people won't change their relationship with nature in future?? Slowly but surely people are becoming aware that our planet is threatened by ourselves..and if we keep behaving toward our planet like we did in the last few centuries we can easily be threatened as well. We couldn't grasp it earlier but as it becomes a matter of our existence the things aren't as vague as before.

    I believe that humankind is destroying Earth with war and pollution and will continue to do so.
    Although the video holds up a mirror up to mankind and I support the message it is trying to spread,
    I fear that the process of an awakening is too slow in comparison with the growth of the human population.

    The negative effects of a growing population (e.g. rising demand of food, water, resources, space, etc.), combined with the lack of funding of and investments in projects that could contribute to the "awakening", are (in my opinion) the main reasons why the relationship between nature and mankind will continue to deteriorate.

    Of course, if you have reason to believe that people are becoming aware of the impact they have on nature,
    then I want to invite you to explain why you are entitled to that opinion.
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    I have already explained why I believe that we are in process of awakening..

    I'll quote myself ''Slowly but surely people are becoming aware that our planet is threatened by ourselves..and if we keep behaving toward our planet like we did in the last few centuries we can easily be threatened as well. We couldn't grasp it earlier but as it becomes a matter of our existence the things aren't as vague as before.''
    The negative effects of a growing population (e.g. rising demand of food, water, resources, space, etc.), combined with the lack of funding of and investments in projects that could contribute to the "awakening", are (in my opinion) the main reasons why the relationship between nature and mankind will continue to deteriorate.

    This! This is the reason why I believe we are in process of awakening, we are becoming aware of the problem and that is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I think humans will destroy themselves because they do not care about their environment as we look around us today and see all the pollution and devastation that is happening.
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    I believe that humankind is destroying Earth with war and pollution and will continue to do so.
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    Jeeezzzz guys
    lighten up
    We ain't destroying the planet nor ourselves!

    Does this peculiar attitude come from an excess of self loathing which you must then project onto the entire species?
    Or are you just parroting nonsense that some ignorant twit parroted before you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I think humans will destroy themselves because they do not care about their environment as we look around us today and see all the pollution and devastation that is happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
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    I believe that humankind is destroying Earth with war and pollution and will continue to do so.
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    Jeeezzzz guys
    lighten up
    We ain't destroying the planet nor ourselves!

    Does this peculiar attitude come from an excess of self loathing which you must then project onto the entire species?
    Or are you just parroting nonsense that some ignorant twit parroted before you?
    Well, Venus isn't destroyed, but it is a pretty desolate place, no?

    You can't correctly deny anthropogenic global warming, nor that we are directly responsible for the destruction of nature on various levels. How exactly are we not currently busy destroying ourselves and the other forms of life on this planet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I think humans will destroy themselves because they do not care about their environment as we look around us today and see all the pollution and devastation that is happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
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    I believe that humankind is destroying Earth with war and pollution and will continue to do so.
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    Jeeezzzz guys
    lighten up
    We ain't destroying the planet nor ourselves!

    Does this peculiar attitude come from an excess of self loathing which you must then project onto the entire species?
    Or are you just parroting nonsense that some ignorant twit parroted before you?
    Well, Venus isn't destroyed, but it is a pretty desolate place, no?

    You can't correctly deny anthropogenic global warming, nor that we are directly responsible for the destruction of nature on various levels. How exactly are we not currently busy destroying ourselves and the other forms of life on this planet?
    Earth ain't venus. we have a different orbit(the goldylocks zone) and a good magnetic field.

    Yes I can and consistantly do dispute(deny) agw----(reminds me of the old joke about the 3 things wrong with "the holy roman empire")
    Damned near every paleoclimate study which addressed warming from the equator to the poles has come to the conclusion of an equable climate when warmer. Today, we see the same thing happening. As anthropogenic atmospheric forcing is transporting heat to the poles much more than to the mid latitudes, and/or tropics.
    That ain't global! (at least, not for the most part)
    An equable climate is characterized by a weak meridional temperature gradient between the equator and the poles at sea level.
    Now, we see gradients of up to 50 degrees Celsius in the northern hemisphere and 90 degrees in the southern hemisphere, from the equator to the poles.
    If one but looks, the literature is absolutely full of equable paleoclimate proxies and models; wherein the equator to pole gradients were on the order of 25 degrees celsius.(1/2 that of current, or less)

    so, "global warming", yeh, I think it a stupid innacurate uneducated piece of hyperbolic, sound bite, rhetoric that belongs in the same league as the stories from the brothers Grimm.
    It is on the order of lumping together all people of one sex or race.

    Much of this nonsense flowed from Hansen being forced to study rhetoric at the u of Iowa, and starting his career by studying venus.
    Hyberbole is a standard rhetorical devise which is commonly used in politics and story telling, but does not belong in the sciences.
    .........
    That being said:
    We have much more to fear from the next massive volcanic explosion and a multiyear volcanic winter, which might lead to another world war in which up to 3 billion people might die immediately, and another 2-3 from distruction of the infrastructure, famine and disease.
    ........
    I ain't saying that we do no harm to the shared co-evolutionary biom. That's a given. We do learn from our mistakes,,,,,,,(and with any luck at all, will continue to do so).
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    Do you believe that the whole planet is in profound process of awakening and that our descendants will live in an excellent relationship with nature,because only our descendants will be completely able to comprehend the beauty of it. I know this is going to sound mystical and it isn't supported by science but my honest belief is that mother nature always return tit for tat, if we behave bad to her we will react in a same way,karmaaa.

    Uh I am sorry for not mentioning that there are few disturbing scenes in the video I posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    How exactly are we not currently busy destroying ourselves and the other forms of life on this planet?
    There are NO examples which come quickly to my mind. jocular
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    Started the video and turned it off. Subject matter should have been clarified. Distasteful.
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    Wow, that was intense. I'm glad there were clear warnings that it may upset sensitive viewers both in the title and the OP.

    After watching the whole thing, I sadly have to admit, that I doubt it will make any difference in those who watch it. Many many many people will pay lip service about the atrocities shown in the video and publicly claim to be terribly upset by it, but the majority of people who make these loud noble announcements stop right there. They voice their opinions and then do very little to stop it. And the ones that do go above and beyond to do anything get mocked and called names and are treated like nut-jobs for trying to sink whaling ships or for assaulting people who wear furs. Some people feel so passionately about these things that simply making videos and speaking out isn't enough for them because they see that speaking out and making videos has little effect on the behaviors of the masses. The reality is that with too many human beings, atrocities are out of sight, out of mind. We ignore the sick twisted reality of the world in favor of delusions of human goodness. Humans are selfish by nature. We have to be in order to survive living amongst our own species. If one does not embrace a bit of selfishness they will be eaten alive (metaphorically speaking) by the human culture we have evolved. So the nut-jobs go all out and they get called terrorists. Am I a "tree hugger" not really. I don't do much to protect the environment either. I recycle, I don't throw trash on the ground. But I can't say I do much else. I will protect an animal from abusive if I see it happening right in front of me, but I don't really have any power. I can report it and people can get arrested but people who abuse animals are not right in the head and generally do not change from getting a slap on the wrist and a fine and that's pretty much all anyone gets for kicking a dog. NF and I recently rescued a newborn baby squirrel that fell out of its nest onto our patio table. We kept him for 2 or 3 days and I was feeding him by syringe in hopes that its mother would come and claim him. But she didn't and so we gave him to a wildlife rehabilitation. Rescuing orphan wildlife is pretty darned normal in our household, but what difference does it really really make. If we had just left that baby there, he would have died, either by ants or one of the resident owls would have seen him as a quick snack. That's the cruelty of nature. But in our humanity we interfered and maybe he will live to be hit by a car some day instead.

    That's nature. And humans are a product of nature. We are not aliens from another planet invading this one. We are part of this planet. We evolved into what we are, both physically and mentally. We are "designed" by chance just like every other thing on this planet. And no amount of yelling screaming denying or whining is going to change that. We will continue to do what we do, what we have evolved to do and there isn't much that can be done to stop that.

    I benefit from the industries that pollute the world. I like my computer, I like the battery it has and the convenience that the battery provides. I like all my plastic doohickies and my automobile that burns fossil fuels and puts CO2 in the air. If I decide to boycott technology, I'd likely just end up dead from starvation and homelessness and not make a bit of difference. And that's the reality for every individual. And the only way to change is to get everyone to agree to act a certain way at the same time with no fight. And that will never happen.

    I don't think the world will be desolate any time soon. As species die off, new ones will emerge. And in time, if we do not find some sort of technology that reverses the damage we have done over the millennia of human existence in a very short amount of time, we too will be replaced by some other species. Maybe it will be another hominid, maybe it will be something entirely new. The earth will continue to exist so long as it is not struck by some earth shattering (literally) asteroid or stellar explosion of close proximity. Will life continue to exist here? Probably but probably not the life we are accustomed to. There are extremophiles that can survive even desolate conditions.

    I am completely ok with the idea of the human species dying off. Nothing lasts forever, and with every extinction there is a chance for another species to fill the niche left by the one that went extinct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Does this peculiar attitude come from an excess of self loathing which you must then project onto the entire species?
    Or are you just parroting nonsense that some ignorant twit parroted before you?

    I beg you pardon?

    The negative effects of a growing population (e.g. rising demand of food, water, resources, space, etc.), combined with the lack of funding of and investments in projects that could contribute to the "awakening", are (in my opinion) the main reasons why the relationship between nature and mankind will continue to deteriorate.

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    This! This is the reason why I believe we are in process of awakening, we are becoming aware of the problem and that is a good thing.

    I am afraid that being aware of the problem is not exactly the same as solving the problem.
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    I'm not sure if this is related (and I'm not watching the video), but I do wonder if this point in our timeline will be looked back unto as a period of enlightenment like the intellectual boom of the 17th and 18th centuries or the renaissance of culture in the 14th and 15th centuries. Will this be our age of technological enlightenment? Will people hundreds of years from now look back in amazement at the works we created in order to survive a world in turmoil?

    I am a little saddened at the notion that I can't live long enough to know how our descendents will think of us. I'd like to read one of their history books.

    A part of me continues on fighting for environmental responsibility because I have this historical precedence of enlightenment battling ignorance. I want to be on the right side of that fight.
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    I'm too sensitive to watch an upsetting sensationalist videos with graphic images, can someone post a one or two sentence synopsis?
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    I'll pass on the video. Am I right that it's an appeal to human emotions and values, that we should care more for the other species than we already do?
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    I am a little saddened at the notion that I can't live long enough to know how our descendents will think of us. I'd like to read one of their history books.
    My brain read this line in Carl Sagans voice.
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    That's how I took it based on the content of the OP.
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    I am a little saddened at the notion that I can't live long enough to know how our descendents will think of us. I'd like to read one of their history books.
    My brain read this line in Carl Sagans voice.
    To be honest, when that little voice of reason kicks in in the back of my brain, it's him. It's always him.
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    Same here and sheepishly, I will confess... At times I will type out a line based on how I think it would sound if he were narrating it if I hope it will catch attention...
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    I imagine most of us try to channel the people we admire when we're speaking. Being as I could never hope to say anything as beautifully simple or profound as Sagan, I resort to mimicry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    How exactly are we not currently busy destroying ourselves and the other forms of life on this planet?
    Like sea gypsie, I too rescue orphaned and injured wildlife(though I may occasionally send her to the dictionary, she is far more eloquent than I) including a great horned owl, baby birds and baby rabbits.
    I don't kill what I won't eat. When we bought this property, I crawled around on my hands and knees and planted 1458 trees, @25 different kinds from nut and berry bushes to oaks, cherries and walnuts, maples and cottonwoods, etc-------(I work wood and want to leave some behind)
    Then a ranger who was also a forester(who advised me on tree selection) wanted volunteers to plant on government land, and I helped him plant another 5000. (I often say, "be green, plant a tree", and was just putting some sweat where my mouth was.)

    I was raised christian and when I read:
    ..., Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and reign over it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing...
    I assumed that that message included a lot of responsibility and dedication.
    Know it, love it and care for it. (ergo: "our shared co-evolutionary biom")
    The question obtains: Does nature have intent? If so, and we are born of nature, are we not exactly who we should be, and doing excatly what we should be doing?----------add in the responsibility thing, and proceed.

    Does nature make mistakes?
    We certainly do.
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    Does nature make mistakes?
    We certainly do.
    I don't believe in mistakes. I believe in decisions. Some are just harder to live with.
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    That doesn't imply that I'm about to die does it?
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    gawd and I hope not........
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    I'm too sensitive to watch an upsetting sensationalist videos with graphic images, can someone post a one or two sentence synopsis?
    It is unnecessary.
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    I'm too sensitive to watch an upsetting sensationalist videos with graphic images, can someone post a one or two sentence synopsis?
    It is unnecessary.
    And how can you speak in the name of all people?
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    As long as someone is left with questions there is a necessity to answer them.

    @icewendigo

    The video shows graphic images of animals sometimes being intentially abused, brutally slaughtered, or maimed in horrible accidents involving human technology that they were never intended to interact with.

    There are images of dogs with badly infected facial injuries, what looked like a baby seal being hacked to death with an ax, and an elephant dead on the railroad tracks after having been struck by a train among many others.

    The wording of the narration seems to subtly imply that we are not part of this planet but are invaders. They constantly say humans "arrived". Though at the very end it does say we are also part of this planet, and insists that we have to take responsibility for the damage we are causing to the planet and acknowledge that the animals are helpless to stop the environmental turmoil we cause.

    But it is an appeal to emotion and it denies what we are as humans. And that we are simply being what we are. And there are plenty of animals that if they breed out of control will "destroy" a habitat and end up wiping out other species. It is the very nature of evolution. And videos like this do very little to change the overall behavior of the masses. because any individual can only change themselves, and to do so would put that individual's life in danger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3l1 View Post
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    I'm too sensitive to watch an upsetting sensationalist videos with graphic images, can someone post a one or two sentence synopsis?
    It is unnecessary.
    And how can you speak in the name of all people?
    I ONLY EVER SPEAK FOR MYSELF!

    Not for others.
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    I'm torn not by the vid, because I've carried its concerns with me since I was a teenager.

    I'm torn by those who's lives have been perhaps lucky enough, or sheltered enough, that they'd really be shocked by such common place imagines of man's effect on Earth and the rest of the biosphere. Have so many people really never been to a slaughterhouse? Never stood in the middle of a forest clear cut? Never watched a small wetland filled in to build a housing development, a Walmart, or a golf course? Or is it people just can't bring themselves to think about the consequences of how much raping of the Earth's biosphere others have had to do to maintain their conveniences, to replace their perfectly working gadgets for new models, or toss a recyclable in the garbage--in many ways a lucid reminder of the immorality of some modernity, pop culture sales, so called free markets, sophisticated marketing, multinational exploitation of people's poor environmental protection standards (even in the US), and and even some of the very creed that I sometimes reluctantly professed to protect the "American way of life."

    While the film shamelessly meant to solicit emotion with it's imagery, it's mild compared to the totality of its message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    I'm too sensitive to watch an upsetting sensationalist videos with graphic images, can someone post a one or two sentence synopsis?
    It is unnecessary.
    And how can you speak in the name of all people?
    I ONLY EVER SPEAK FOR MYSELF!

    Not for others.
    No offense but your previous post tells a different story.
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    I am an animal with a sense of responsibility that embraces other animals and our shared co-evolutionary biom.
    Name one other animal that has our abilities. I could name several who have protected me, and kept me safe. beyond that............?
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    Here is a video that is less of an assault to the sensitivities but does a good job at sending the same message.

    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    While the film shamelessly meant to solicit emotion with it's imagery, it's mild compared to the totality of its message.

    My thoughts exactly.
    Yet, shocking images are, at some moments, more effective than facts and statistics when one wishes to convince people.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    I'm getting a general idea, thanks.

    From my point of view, humans have existed for millenia, and our ability to reorganize our environment into new configurations is increasing almost exponentially, but our own organization of human activity is primitive, institutions by their nature provide advantages as long as they persist so they have no incentive to make themselves obsolete and so old organizations/methods can persist long after new knowledge shows them to be useless. In addition to the institutionalized lag, we also suffer from thats-the-way-it-is lag, where the society we live in makes sense by default because others were doing this and we learn about the world by observing our social environment/parents/media. Hiearchy, money and control of information(secrets/propagnada) are ubiquitous and appear normal because ~thats the way it is~, but these are primitive relics that slow our development and cause many problems (for which there appears to be no solution, within our corrupt inside-the-box view).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3l1 View Post
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    I'm too sensitive to watch an upsetting sensationalist videos with graphic images, can someone post a one or two sentence synopsis?
    It is unnecessary.
    And how can you speak in the name of all people?
    I ONLY EVER SPEAK FOR MYSELF!

    Not for others.
    No offense but your previous post tells a different story.
    If you had been wise.

    You would have asked a question.

    Do you speak for yourself or for everyone?

    You would have gotten the answer I stated.

    I ONLY EVER SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I am not entitled to speak for everyone.

    Please feel free to ask the question should it occur to you again.

    Mahalo.
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