Thread: Diatomaceous earth food grade is amazing

My husband and I began eating a heaping tablespoon a day mixed in juice about 3-4 months ago. This month we both got our blood work done and my cholesterol went down 20 points and my husband's went down 40!!! He is 300lbs and now has a cholesterol of 136. His triglycerides went from 215 down to 100. Neither of us made any other dietary changes and are just amazed at the results. It is just like everyone says, it works! Scientific proof and results do not lie. We both feel better, have more energy and definitely the better for having come across this amazing discovery. Both of our good cholesterol went up ten points and the bad cholesterol dropped dramatically. Check out link deleted to read commonly asked questions, it is full of interesting information to put your mind at ease.

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

Scientific proof and results do not lie.

If you actually have any "scientific proofs and results" please present them.

Diatomaceous earth is used to clarify some wines and is then removed in the filtration process. Personally, that's about as close as I care to get to this commodity.

Just a little spamming for their web site.

The referenced website not only doesn't have the "commonly asked questions", it doesn't even mention DE.
Although I do think that Shaolin Temple Protection Monks is intriguing.
"Nice temple you've got here guv. Be an awful pity if someone came and prayed at it, know wot I mean? For a weekly consideration me and the boys could make sure that doesn't happen..."

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

"Nice temple you've got here guv. Be an awful pity if someone came and prayed at it, know wot I mean? For a weekly consideration me and the boys could make sure that doesn't happen..."

Thanks to "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" and "Snatch" for providing the accents for my mental rendition of that line.

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Thanks to "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" and "Snatch" for providing the accents for my mental rendition of that line.

Um, I didn't exactly have Sarf Landan Manks in mind!

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

Scientific proof and results do not lie.

If you actually have any "scientific proofs and results" please present them.

Scientific (laboratory blood work) Results (values and numbers of said blood work). Short of posting a photocopy of mine and my husbands lab results, I am not sure how I can prove the results. Food Grade DE is the key factor to remember when using DE. The non-food grade is highly toxic and used for swimming pools and the like. We made zero dietary or lifestyle changes. Obviously, an online forum is to be taken with a grain of salt when looking for valuable evidence however, I have never posted in an online forum regarding this product before and I have no reason to lie.

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

[Scientific (laboratory blood work) Results (values and numbers of said blood work). Short of posting a photocopy of mine and my husbands lab results, I am not sure how I can prove the results.

Why not post a reference to the journal where these peer-reviewed scientific results have been published.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Thanks to "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" and "Snatch" for providing the accents for my mental rendition of that line.

Um, I didn't exactly have Sarf Landan Manks in mind!

Ray Winstone?

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

Scientific (laboratory blood work) Results (values and numbers of said blood work). Short of posting a photocopy of mine and my husbands lab results, I am not sure how I can prove the results.

So you're making false claims.
A single instance of "lab results" does not constitute scientific proof, especially when it doesn't take into account any other possible variables.

Food Grade DE is the key factor to remember when using DE. The non-food grade is highly toxic and used for swimming pools and the like.

So please, explain the difference. What makes one highly toxic and the other not?

We made zero dietary or lifestyle changes.

I bet.

Obviously, an online forum is to be taken with a grain of salt when looking for valuable evidence however, I have never posted in an online forum regarding this product before and I have no reason to lie.

No one's mentioned "lying".
Erroneous attribution is more likely.

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

[Scientific (laboratory blood work) Results (values and numbers of said blood work). Short of posting a photocopy of mine and my husbands lab results, I am not sure how I can prove the results.

Why not post a reference to the journal where these peer-reviewed scientific results have been published.

Probably because they don't exist (at least to my knowledge). I can only tell you my own personal experience regarding the food grade use of DE. It has also been my experience that unless a product can generate a significant amount of revenue for those backing it, it does not receive the attention it possibly deserves. I do not think pharmaceutical companies who support and are supported by the revenue created from cholesterol meds and such, really want to hear anything regarding a possible aid that is not only natural but inexpensive as well. All I know is if a person is able to try remedies that keep them free of pills and copays as well as harmful effects, why not give it a shot? My husband was extremely skeptical when I first came to him with this, about laughed me out of the room, haha. I asked him to at least try, which he did and considering his recent lab results, he lost all skepticism. No one has to believe me, as that does not change or validate my claim. My intention in this forum was to share in the hopes that someone else may benefit.

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

Probably because they don't exist (at least to my knowledge).

In other words there is no scientific evidence.

I do not think pharmaceutical companies who support and are supported by the revenue created from cholesterol meds and such, really want to hear anything regarding a possible aid that is not only natural but inexpensive as well.

Exactly!
Making a profit by selling what is basically sand is as unlikely as making a profit by selling water in bottles.
It just won't work.

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

Probably because they don't exist (at least to my knowledge). I can only tell you my own personal experience regarding the food grade use of DE.

So no scientific evidence then?

It has also been my experience that unless a product can generate a significant amount of revenue for those backing it, it does not receive the attention it possibly deserves.

So you think the companies selling you this stuff aren't doing it to make money?

I do not think pharmaceutical companies who support and are supported by the revenue created from cholesterol meds and such, really want to hear anything regarding a possible aid that is not only natural but inexpensive as well.

And yet, there are endless adverts on TV for foods and "alternative remedies" for treating high cholesterol, losing weight, and hundreds of others things. So your conspiracy theory appears to be totally baseless.

I certainly would take any advice from someone who is gullible, naive and unable to display any critical thinking skills at all.

I'd be more inclined to believe that your increased intake of the fruit juice you drink the DE with has had an effect on your health.

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

Probably because they don't exist (at least to my knowledge). I can only tell you my own personal experience regarding the food grade use of DE.

So no scientific evidence then?

It has also been my experience that unless a product can generate a significant amount of revenue for those backing it, it does not receive the attention it possibly deserves.

So you think the companies selling you this stuff aren't doing it to make money?

I do not think pharmaceutical companies who support and are supported by the revenue created from cholesterol meds and such, really want to hear anything regarding a possible aid that is not only natural but inexpensive as well.

And yet, there are endless adverts on TV for foods and "alternative remedies" for treating high cholesterol, losing weight, and hundreds of others things. So your conspiracy theory appears to be totally baseless.

I certainly would take any advice from someone who is gullible, naive and unable to display any critical thinking skills at all.

There is scientific, scholarly peer reviewed journal articles (countless) available as to the documented benefits of DE in farm animals (mammals like ourselves) regarding their digestion and overall quality of life and function as well as pest control, just like all of the claims say. I would be interested to read information as to human consumption that has been documented scientifically. Sounds like a great idea for someone motivated enough to do so. I personally have access to global scientific peer reviewed journals and articles (due to my job) and in a one minute search pulled up countless results regarding the benefits in livestock. Have you tried this stuff for yourself? If eating "sand" as you call it, provides proven results, eat the "sand" then, what have you got to lose? The same way that there is little evidence regarding human benefits, there is no (that I have found, please post if you know different) evidence regarding human detriment.

Originally Posted by KALSTER

I'd be more inclined to believe that your increased intake of the fruit juice you drink the DE with has had an effect on your health.

Possibly. We also can't discount the placebo effect. There is is likely to be "priming": by deciding to take any positive action regarding their health, they may have changed their behaviour in countless other ways. For example, parking in a space a little further from the office (which I know a friend did as an almost unconscious side effect of taking other health measures).

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

We made zero dietary or lifestyle changes.

Self reporting like this is basically worthless.

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by KALSTER

I'd be more inclined to believe that your increased intake of the fruit juice you drink the DE with has had an effect on your health.

Possibly. We also can't discount the placebo effect. There is is likely to be "priming": by deciding to take any positive action regarding their health, they may have changed their behaviour in countless other ways. For example, parking in a space a little further from the office (which I know a friend did as an almost unconscious side effect of taking other health measures).

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

We made zero dietary or lifestyle changes.

Self reporting like this is basically worthless.

That is true about the placebo effect. Self reporting is the only way we are able to communicate to each other our findings, in every aspect of life.

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

There is scientific, scholarly peer reviewed journal articles (countless) available as to the documented benefits of DE in farm animals (mammals like ourselves) regarding their digestion and overall quality of life and function as well as pest control, just like all of the claims say.

Please provide a link to one of those articles, please.

I had a neighbor who tried DE and 4 months later his cat died.

If he believed consuming DE caused feline tuberculosis, he'd have as much evidence as you.

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

There is scientific, scholarly peer reviewed journal articles (countless) available as to the documented benefits of DE in farm animals (mammals like ourselves) regarding their digestion and overall quality of life and function as well as pest control, just like all of the claims say.

So, again, your claim that no one does research because there isn't money to be made is shown to be false.

And does all this scientific research really say it has improved the animal's "digestion and overall quality of life and function". Or maybe it is just used for pest control. And maybe there is no good evidence that it works for that either.

A couple of comments from a vet:

Originally Posted by vet

Many people are of the mindset that "natural" is better, and that there is an automatic benefit to anything that is found in the dirt, plants or animals around us. I (being trained in a western medical-type program) don't believe this to be the truth. Diatomaceous earth (DE) is a great example of this. DE is fossilized algae. Translated, it is ~90% silica (sand), 2-4% alumina (a component of aluminum), and 0.5-2% iron oxide (rust). I can find the same stuff on the floor of any autobody repair shop...as the result of sandblasting old cars.
...
To be honest, all the scientific literature is very equivocal on the usefulness. Some studies find "trends", but very little statistical significance, some studies say that DE is poorly effective at a relative humidity above 85%. One study showed more parasites in one breed of hen fed DE, and less parasites in another breed of hen fed DE.

The Chicken Chick®: Diatomaceous Earth, DE. The Benefit/Risk Analysis from Two Experts

So it may not even be any good for the things it is sold for.

If eating "sand" as you call it, provides proven results, eat the "sand" then, what have you got to lose?

Eat something sold as an insecticide? No thanks. Would you eat arsenic? After all, it's equally "natural".

If you are incapable of changing to a healthier lifestyle, why not use a treatment that has scientifically been shown to work? Why rely on something that you have read about on crank websites?

As the vet above says: "use a treatment that works....has been designed to work, and has been proven to work."

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

The non-food grade is highly toxic

No it isn't. Long term exposure to high levels on a daily basis may cause silicosis.

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

[Self reporting is the only way we are able to communicate to each other our findings, in every aspect of life.

And it is known to be notoriously unreliable, which is why it is not useful as scientific evidence.

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

[Self reporting is the only way we are able to communicate to each other our findings, in every aspect of life.

And it is known to be notoriously unreliable, which is why it is not useful as scientific evidence.

Quit acting like someone might have a bias filter which skews results or that, in some cases I'm sure never happen here, people will simply make up some phony story about dead diatoms saving their life in order to get you to go to their website and pay absurd amounts of money for "food-grade" sand. To what lengths will you go to keep us all in the grip of the "western medicine" conspiracy?

Now, back to draining my humors.

Originally Posted by DiatomaceousYES

My husband and I began eating a heaping tablespoon a day mixed in juice about 3-4 months ago. This month we both got our blood work done and my cholesterol went down 20 points and my husband's went down 40!!! He is 300lbs and now has a cholesterol of 136. His triglycerides went from 215 down to 100. Neither of us made any other dietary changes and are just amazed at the results. It is just like everyone says, it works! Scientific proof and results do not lie. We both feel better, have more energy and definitely the better for having come across this amazing discovery. Both of our good cholesterol went up ten points and the bad cholesterol dropped dramatically. Check out link deleted to read commonly asked questions, it is full of interesting information to put your mind at ease.

Hello Diatomaceous. While I am happy to hear that both you and your husband have improved your cholesterol numbers, I have to add my support to those who are requesting peer reviewed scientific study for your claims. It is also bad form to start flogging any product in one's first post at a science forum, no matter how enthusiastic one may be about the commodity. I did a bit of research yesterday and came across a myriad of endorsements for the use of DM and I also recall a few years ago that there was a pamphlet in a veterinary office warning about it's use in clumping kitty litter as they were getting a lot of kittens in for surgery with obstructions in the bowel that were comprised of this material.

At best, DM is controversial in many of it's claims and all persons who use it should be aware that they do so at their own risk.

In the meantime, all the best in continued improvement to your health and it would be most helpful to this dialogue if you have some scientific study evidence to share.

I'm not a doctor, but I would almost be willing to promise you that if you ate a balanced diet and exercised every day, you would get more health benefits than eating sand and with essentially no possible negative effects (unless you're hit by a car while you're walking).

If you think it works, diatomaceous it does ,mind over matter. I would think in my back woods thinking. It work's for me too. On sugar levels. I just wondering how it might effect me on the long haul.

Originally Posted by leolken

If you think it works, diatomaceous it does ,mind over matter. I would think in my back woods thinking. It work's for me too. On sugar levels. I just wondering how it might effect me on the long haul.

it wont affect you. It at most acts as a bowl cleansing, nothing more

Originally Posted by leolken

If you think it works, diatomaceous it does ,mind over matter. I would think in my back woods thinking. It work's for me too. On sugar levels. I just wondering how it might effect me on the long haul.

A science forum is not the place for back woods thinking.

Originally Posted by leolken

If you think it works, diatomaceous it does ,mind over matter. I would think in my back woods thinking. It work's for me too. On sugar levels. I just wondering how it might effect me on the long haul.

Try drinking three glasses of air a day and see what happens to your sugar levels.

Was this a commercial??

This thread was brought to you by Diatoms For Jesus; "taking the Good News to your bowels".

Originally Posted by Strange

This thread was brought to you by Diatoms For Jesus; "taking the Good News to your bowels".

And Soft Wipes. TO make those bowel movement cleanups like flowers.

i think we all need a bowl cleaning once in a while, helps with toxins in upper levels,

the arses are impotant part of life,, does who live there rock heads will never understand, add more dirt to your intake, might even soften the head

>the arses are impotant part of life

So are the knees and the elbows. Without elbows we wouldn't be able to put our hats on.

Originally Posted by billvon

Without elbows we wouldn't be able to put our hats on.

And without ears we would go blind (with nothing to hold the hat up).

Originally Posted by leolken

i think we all need a bowl cleaning once in a while, helps with toxins in upper levels,

I would never cook with a dirty bowl!