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  1. #1 Overpowering of posters by overloadong of statements and questions 
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    I used to have an attractive girlfriend.

    Some say all good looking women are crazy, but not alll crazy women are good looking.

    She was the female version of satan.

    She went text-only with me. She would send a crazy text to me. I would try to respond, but as I typed she would send three more texts.[drugs,texting skills].

    There was no way I could try to communicate when she didn't allow me any response time. I usually just had to send her a text saying " I will ignore/erase alll texts you send until or unless you allow me to answer them...I would then erase all such extra texts.

    The same applies here. I try to discusss science but before I can research and answer a few questions, I post to find twenty more statements and questions have beeen posted. I try to handle a couple of them, quickly, without the propper time to do real research, and post them to find there are thirty more statements and questions posted....

    If people want to have a real debate, and hear all sides, well researched material, there has to be some rule about overkill as a debating strategy.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleven11 View Post
    I used to have - irrelevant waffle excised -
    I try to handle a couple of them, quickly, without the propper time to do real research, and post them to find there are thirty more statements and questions posted....
    The problem here (and it's a problem that further reduces your credibility 1) is that, since you have proposed a new "theory" then you should already know what you're talking about.
    Only half-assed idiots (i.e. cranks) think that proposing a new theory without having a thorough background on the likely objections/ problems/ questions is a valid practice.

    If people want to have a real debate, and hear all sides, well researched material, there has to be some rule about overkill as a debating strategy.....
    Yeah - the general rule is: don't turn up unprepared.
    All you're doing is demonstrating that you're less than knowledgeable and haven't given any serious thought to what you're espousing.


    1 Not that YOU have any...


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    if you post a long, complex idea it is bound to generate a lot of questions, comments and, possibly, corrections. It might be a good idea to work out the details of your idea as thoroughly as possible and try to anticipate what questions/objections people might raise before posting it. If you think of questions and answers while developing your idea it should make it stronger, as well as enabling you to answer questions more easily. (This assumes that you are not one of those people who are convinced hey are a genius and have an infallibly correct idea.)

    But, I would say: take as long as you need to provide a proper answer. If you post a half-thought out answer it will, unfortunately, just generate more questions.

    As far as I know there is no time limit or rush to answer. If you know you need some time to provide an answer, you could post an interim reply saying, "I need some time to do some research before I can answer this".
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    Ok right first off you are in control of what you post, there is no need to respond to everything. Next if you want to take your time research a point etc.. then do so. You don't always have to respond immediately, don't get flustered. Don't respond to insults, they just lead to flame wars. If you wish responses where people take you seriously then make sure what you are saying is accurate, in other words don't dispute accepted science. Also try and learn from other people, not everyone will be right all the time, but if someone does say something interesting then there's nothing to stop you checking it with other sources.

    Finally don't be distrespectful or rude to other, even if they are to you, eventually with respectfulness and accuracy you'll win over their respect, follow these steps and nobody will class you as a crank.
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    if you want to take your time research a point etc.. then do so. You don't always have to respond immediately, don't get flustered.
    I appreciate your opinion, yet the barrage of statements continue. I Stated that I neeeded more time but the barrage continued. Why don't we make a rule that if a poster asks for more time, that all other posts will stop until the original creator of the thread is ready.

    I'm not talking about science fiction, my subjects are very pertinent to all curnet research. This is a very complicated debate, and deserves much time, research. and logical debate. we don't solve the problems of physics in ten minutes......
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    How about if we make a rule that if a poster shows up with a new hypothesis, they be prepared to explain, and defend it, without hand waving and crank weasel wording?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleven11 View Post
    Why don't we make a rule that if a poster asks for more time, that all other posts will stop until the original creator of the thread is ready.
    Or we could make it more like the real world: if a claimant doesn't know what he's talking about well enough to have already foreseen the objections and how to overcome them he gets thrown out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleven11 View Post
    I used to have an attractive girlfriend.

    Some say all good looking women are crazy, but not alll crazy women are good looking.

    She was the female version of satan.

    She went text-only with me. She would send a crazy text to me. I would try to respond, but as I typed she would send three more texts.[drugs,texting skills].

    There was no way I could try to communicate when she didn't allow me any response time. I usually just had to send her a text saying " I will ignore/erase alll texts you send until or unless you allow me to answer them...I would then erase all such extra texts.
    Um okay.

    The same applies here. I try to discusss science but before I can research and answer a few questions, I post to find twenty more statements and questions have beeen posted. I try to handle a couple of them, quickly, without the propper time to do real research, and post them to find there are thirty more statements and questions posted....

    If people want to have a real debate, and hear all sides, well researched material, there has to be some rule about overkill as a debating strategy.....
    A few points about this.

    1) This is a discussion site, not a formal debate site. Formal debates usually have set people on the other team and the parameters of the debate will usually be defined and set and agreed upon before it even begins. As others above me have pointed out, you are free to post when you want and you are under no obligation to answer each and every single post made in response to whatever it is you are posting or arguing.

    2) Because this is a discussion forum and an open one, members are free to respond to your posts as they see fit in whatever time they see fit. Whether you respond to them immediately or take longer to formulate a response and provide scientific articles, studies, etc to back up your argument is up to you.

    3) If you are going to treat your discussions here as a debate, or a formal style of debate, you may need to be reminded of a few things.

    • When you debate someone, you should be completely prepared for any eventualities or any questions they may throw at you. Therefore, you should have researched the subject of the debate thoroughly so you are able to instantly address any queries or comments made about your claims.
    • It is not the fault of your opponent(s) if you are not prepared for a debate because you have not researched every eventuality or thought of all the possibilities of how your opponents may apply to your claims or anything you are discussing or arguing for the debate.
    • You should advise your opponents in the discussion that you are treating this as a debate and detail how you will respond to queries, questions or challengers. However, since this is not a formal debate style, they may choose to not take you up on the offer or challenge and just post as they normally would.


    Just to add and yes, it is off topic.. I just found out this site has bullet points in the advance posting option and they are easy to use. This makes me happy because I adore bullet points - yes, I am somewhat anal about such things and yes, I even bullet point my shopping list! Anyway, carry on.
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    Perhaps you should take a few typing lessons.
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