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  1. #1 The concept of "evil" is kinda stupid... 
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    Because it falsely assumes the idea that the human race - is capable of good. To accept evil as a factual thing - you also have to believe there is something good in the world.

    All "good" actions done by humans (Altruism?) is a lie. The truth is that everything and everyone is driven by selfish desire. People will use you, then throw you away. There is nothing called love, only what a person wants to suck out of you like a vampire to fuel their own advancement and comfort.

    I hope the sun dies tomorrow to end our pitifull existence. I hope there IS a God, so that I can commend him on a job well done in creating such a cruel world of suffering and pain we live in and at the same time fuel us with hope. Hope.... which is a poison stronger than any other, a poison that chains us as slaves to this pitiful existance. Good job indeed, if there is a God - for creating LIFE, the greatest lie of them all. Creating a world where people helplessly think things will "get better" as they suffer, suffer and suffer some more before the end.

    And if there is no God, there still is hell. And the paradox is that we live in it willingly. Earth.

    You may wonder WTF is wrong with me. But I just suffered love sorrow. And I am broken permanently from now... because the veil has been removed from my eyes, and from now I will never see the dreamworld we wish were there. But reality. Which has only one name, despair.

    I know this forum isnt for "Bloglike" entrys, but hey! Had to get that off my chest.


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    I hope the sun dies tomorrow to end our pitifull existence.]
    Ending YOUR pitiful existence is always within your capabilities. The rest of us might have a different viewpoint.

    But I just suffered love sorrow
    Ah Love, a dreadful bond, and yet, so easily severed


    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

    Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"
     

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    Well, may I ask how many times you've been dumped? The reason I ask is many of us have had messy hurtful break ups more than once and were still here. I can say for sure that being single is way better than being in a bad relationship.
     

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    Because it falsely assumes the idea that the human race - is capable of good.
    And this is completely contradicted by seeing little children doing spontaneously kind and generous - good - things. Long before they've had much chance to be brought up or socialised into "approved" behaviours, they will happily offer others toys, sweets, hugs for no reason at all other than that they want to.

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    Having worked in both Junior and Senior High School, I was rather shocked to discover that "evil" certainly does exist, and in my personal observations, there are people who are born evil and display that even in the Junior High School ages level. I saw it rarely, but I did observe it once so up close and personal that it sent chills down my spine.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Having worked in both Junior and Senior High School, I was rather shocked to discover that "evil" certainly does exist, and in my personal observations, there are people who are born evil and display that even in the Junior High School ages level. I saw it rarely, but I did observe it once so up close and personal that it sent chills down my spine.
    If you do a little research on evil, you find it's very hard to come up with a simple definition. It seems evil has many definitions depending on many things. The problem is I'm never sure what evil is being talked about. When you say something is good or bad, that's easy as nobody has a problem with how to define bad. But in the case of good and evil, the definition of evil is very subjective depending on the background of the person using or hearing the term. When I hear the term evil, it's usually in some kind of religious context. I don't like any concepts that carry religious overtones in there use.
     

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    Primary kids can be pretty horrible too. The problem with looking at any school age children is that many of them have already had a lot of experiences, as well as direct instruction, that significantly affects their behaviour. I'm not so sure about the "born evil" as a category other than outlier or exceptional.

    I distinctly remember my youngest being bullied, hit with sticks, at childcare, before she was even kindergarten age by an equally little boy. The staff urged my husband that we "had to make allowances" because of the child's difficult family circumstances. (Omitting other details, one parent was a psychiatrist, the step-parent was a child psychologist. They were horrible people.) Enraged father of tiny girl suggested to staff that the only allowance he was prepared to make was to teach her boxing, just as his father had done with him when he was a bit older than pre-school.

    The staff found other ways to deal with it.

    (As it happened, this particular boy turned out pretty OK. Others with such a start in life don't do so well.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
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    Having worked in both Junior and Senior High School, I was rather shocked to discover that "evil" certainly does exist, and in my personal observations, there are people who are born evil and display that even in the Junior High School ages level. I saw it rarely, but I did observe it once so up close and personal that it sent chills down my spine.
    If you do a little research on evil, you find it's very hard to come up with a simple definition. It seems evil has many definitions depending on many things. The problem is I'm never sure what evil is being talked about. When you say something is good or bad, that's easy as nobody has a problem with how to define bad. But in the case of good and evil, the definition of evil is very subjective depending on the background of the person using or hearing the term. When I hear the term evil, it's usually in some kind of religious context. I don't like any concepts that carry religious overtones in there use.
    This is not religious. Period. It was an observation of a student who just beat the shit out of another student, and when they brought him in (I had to take him to the hospital, with parental permission, of course) who's arm was hanging like an upside down "L" and he looked at him as they hauled him off to Juve for assault, and he SMILED. It was evil. I cannot explain in scientifically, and it certainly was not a religious experience in any way shape or form. It was creepy, uncanny and I can still see that boy's face. He wound up being shipped to an enclosed facility, and I have no doubt, he became a major menace to society. I have never, ever, ever experienced that again in my time in either JHS or SHS. Ever. If I had not seen that with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it existed.
     

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    [QUOTE=adelady;435620]Primary kids can be pretty horrible too. The problem with looking at any school age children is that many of them have already had a lot of experiences, as well as direct instruction, that significantly affects their behaviour. I'm not so sure about the "born evil" as a category other than outlier or exceptional.

    I distinctly remember my youngest being bullied, hit with sticks, at childcare, before she was even kindergarten age by an equally little boy. The staff urged my husband that we "had to make allowances" because of the child's difficult family circumstances. (Omitting other details, one parent was a psychiatrist, the step-parent was a child psychologist. They were horrible people.) Enraged father of tiny girl suggested to staff that the only allowance he was prepared to make was to teach her boxing, just as his father had done with him when he was a bit older than pre-school.

    The staff found other ways to deal with it. As I said, this was not ordinary violence. This was pure malevolence. Kids go through all sorts of things and you see all sorts of home situations which attribute to behavior, to an extent. This was so over the top.
     

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    [QUOTE=babe;435624][QUOTE=adelady;435620]Primary kids can be pretty horrible too. The problem with looking at any school age children is that many of them have already had a lot of experiences, as well as direct instruction, that significantly affects their behaviour. I'm not so sure about the "born evil" as a category other than outlier or exceptional.

    I distinctly remember my youngest being bullied, hit with sticks, at childcare, before she was even kindergarten age by an equally little boy. The staff urged my husband that we "had to make allowances" because of the child's difficult family circumstances. (Omitting other details, one parent was a psychiatrist, the step-parent was a child psychologist. They were horrible people.) Enraged father of tiny girl suggested to staff that the only allowance he was prepared to make was to teach her boxing, just as his father had done with him when he was a bit older than pre-school.

    The staff found other ways to deal with it. As I said, this was not ordinary violence. This was pure malevolence. Kids go through all sorts of things and you see all sorts of home situations which attribute to behavior, to an extent. This was so over the top.[/QUOTE ]Had that problem with a fellow student of my son's in grammar..kept beating on him and he came home black and blue. I had enough. I called the house and asked to talk to the mother, and she wasn't "available" so I told the big brother, "If your brother touches my son again, physically, I will call the police and file assault and battery charges against him." Never happened again. Actually got to know the bigger brother as he and daughter played on the travel team together. Nice guy. Sometimes you NEED to put your foot down.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    This is not religious. Period. It was an observation of a student who just beat the shit out of another student, and when they brought him in (I had to take him to the hospital, with parental permission, of course) who's arm was hanging like an upside down "L" and he looked at him as they hauled him off to Juve for assault, and he SMILED. It was evil. I cannot explain in scientifically, and it certainly was not a religious experience in any way shape or form. It was creepy, uncanny and I can still see that boy's face. He wound up being shipped to an enclosed facility, and I have no doubt, he became a major menace to society. I have never, ever, ever experienced that again in my time in either JHS or SHS. Ever. If I had not seen that with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it existed.
    I did notice that the word does get used a lot with sociopaths. Sounds like you ran into one that was still very young. They don't usually get ID'd before their teens or early 20's. But I happen to believe they could be, except parents are very reluctant to pass that kind of judgement on them.

    But then I don't believe sociopaths are inherently evil. When people don't have any empathy for others it shocks people so much they label it as evil. There is no cure for sociopathy, but if it can be identified early enough for them to get specialized training and steered towards a career that lends itself to the sociopathic personality. They will still be very hard to live with, but they can also be productive citizens.
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    Could some moderator delete this thread? :S Of all the emberassing, useless and pathetic posts Ive made drunk in my life - this one takes the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell View Post
    Could some moderator delete this thread? :S Of all the embarrassing, useless and pathetic posts Ive made drunk in my life - this one takes the cake.

    Bad Robot: Long story but I didn't technically get dumped, rather friend zoned.

    Never been so glad for internet anonymity in my life :P
    I find the anonymity allows me to express myself in ways I wouldn't choose otherwise. Example how many people have you met in person that will tell you they are atheist? Yet here on this forum most of the members claim to be atheist. I wouldn't worry about being embarrassed, but I'll bet you learned something useful. One of the problems with being drunk anonymously is we don't know you are drunk and think we are talking to the real you.

    As for the in person talks I really hate talking to drunks, so I wouldn't be telling everyone your a drunk poster.
     

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