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    Michio Kaku explains in the video why he thinks that we will witness a transition from a Type-0 to a Type-1 civilization in the next 100 years:
    The transition from Type-0 to Type-1 Civilization ... Will We Make It? - YouTube

    I seriously doubt the assumption that we will reach a Type-1 civilization in about 100 years, for the reasons he state in the last part of his small lecture (i.e. terrorism, nuclear weapons, etc.).

    What do you think?


    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

    ~ Arthur Schopenhauer, The Art of Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument (1831), Stratagem XXXVIII.
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    I currently have no specific views on this, but I wish to make a related prediction: before this thread ends at least one member will characterise Kaku as a publicity hungry, pseudoscientific, drama queen.


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    Can you make a couple of sentences to resume what is in your opinion the core of the video?

    If type I refers to using Fusion power, I say we already have this, we have the largest fusion reactor, larger than the earth, and it can power houses as well as provide power for Tesla Model S (Tesla is expanding a network of solar powered supercharging stations that will provide the energy for the same price the sun charges to produce light, in other words for free)

    "at least one member"
    that's a self-fulfilling prophecy
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    "at least one member"
    that's a self-fulfilling prophecy
    If there is an easy way out I always take it.
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    In essence, Mr. Kaku explains that within a century, we will reach a Type-I civilization (a planetary civilization that controls all the planet's energy resources and the natural phenomena).

    He sees two trends in the world today:
    - a multicultural, scientific, tolerant society (aspects are the Internet, the English language, the European Union, ...), i.e. a planet where everybody collaborates with each other.
    - a reaction against the Type-I civilization (aspects are monoculturalism, terrorism, fundamentalism, ...).

    He ends with the message that Type-0 should be very common in the Universe, but reaching Type-I is very difficult and that the opposite trends do not make it very easy to determine which type of society we will reach.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    Kaku's basic message is 'watch me'. (at least one)
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

    Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"
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    I didnt have time to watch before, i just did

    Ill get back to you on the type 0 to type 1, but my first reaction is that

    Kaku may know about science but he is very ignorant about our civilizations systemic problems, about covert aspects of human activity(money, banking, money laundering, drug traffiking, corruption, war, false flag operation, anti-democratic collusion, propaganda, economic warfare, etc, etc), , etc

    Heres a moronically naive sentence: "Terrorism is a reaction to the creation of a type 1 civilization"

    Which shows he takes the lies of governments and media for facts, so his social/political world view is erroneous. The moon and molecules dont lie, the media he relies to form his understanding of the human world do lie.

    Give terrorists strategic missiles and suddendly they become soldiers and that makes it all better? And what about the US funding terrorism to foster pillaging of resources corporate profiteering or leverage strategic control of a region? Does he realize that the CIA funded islamic extremism and that the war on terror is a sham? Even if you dont know about Operation Ajax US orchestrated terrorism and the various false flag events and nato handler controlled terrorism to manipulate public opinion, its still imbecilic to say terrorist react to "oppose tolerance" since a lot of the terrorism thats not orchestrated are people fighting against military backed forces, invasion, occupation and military supported oppression because they have no large industrialized army able to repel the invaders and make a stand with what they have. And when the terrorists are on the right side they are called freedom fighters, rebels, ect


    He also fails to understand that a despotic global government is not something to strive for, you can have global decentralized networks of voluntary collaboration instead of hierarchic anti-democratic global dominance(which he appears to unwitingly support).

    Im starting to understand the prophecies.
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    icewendigo, the problem with your underlying thesis/agenda/viewpoint - call it what you will - is a flawed premise: you seem to believe someone is actually in control.
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    "you seem to believe someone is actually in control"
    In control of what? This is a bit vague. I think our problems are mainly systemic.
    If you give more details as to what you mean by being in control I can give details as to what I think about it.
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    I sure hope we have a space colony by the next hundred years. As for becoming a type 1 civilization, I often feel we have all that we need to get there but aren't really moving in that direction. It'll probably only happen after some significant off-planet expansion has been done, whenever that may be.
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    Kaku is a publicity hungry, pseudoscientific, drama queen. Is he really classifying science fiction civilizations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I currently have no specific views on this, but I wish to make a related prediction: before this thread ends at least one member will characterise Kaku as a publicity hungry, pseudoscientific, drama queen.

    Can I hire you to provide me with some lottery numbers please.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I currently have no specific views on this, but I wish to make a related prediction: before this thread ends at least one member will characterise Kaku as a publicity hungry, pseudoscientific, drama queen.

    Can I hire you to provide me with some lottery numbers please.
    I assume that you meant "on comission"?
    Or were you offering a generous base salarie plus bonuses?
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    Commission and payment by results always motivate best, but hey what price would any of us really pay for someone who could accurately predict the future!
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    You mean, of course(?), besides Cassandra?
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    LOL "Star Trek represents a *typical* type 2 civilization"Thats true, of all the type 2 civilizations we have encountered so far, Star Trek would be the typica and most representativel, and we are lucky that they all fit nice and tidy into category boxes we had invented even before encoutering an alien bacteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Kaku is a publicity hungry, pseudoscientific, drama queen. Is he really classifying science fiction civilizations?
    It's worth noting that Kaku did not come up with the type of civilizations. They were originally proposed by the Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev in 1964, and is known as the Kardashev scale.

    Kardashev scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"
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