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    I'm 37 I have an incredible life a wonderful 2 year old son and I am the only person in the world who allergic to drinking water. My allergy happens in my stomach. Its hard to breath, hard to walk , and I look like I'm 6-9 months pregnant when I drink water. Most there time I'm perfectly fit. A perfect 124 pounds flat stomach then a drop of water gets in me and I can hardly walk. So swollen it looks like ascites but its not. I've studied ways to treat it. Doctors would want to know maybe how to treat aquatigenic allergies to water. I drink whole milk and coke only. I stay away from any thing made with water. Pasta, rice etc. And I'm especially careful when I shower.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jocelynn View Post
    I stay away from any thing made with water. Pasta, rice etc.
    And meat and vegetables as well?
    Meat is ~70% water and vegetables can have a far higher water content than that.

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    And I'm especially careful when I shower.
    And what about swallowing saliva?

    Seriously, see a doctor.
    You are not allergic to water.


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    Actually, water allergy is a very real, albeit very, very rare condition as the following excerpt and linked article document. There presently is no real understanding of why it occurs or any known cure, only suggested treatments to attempt. I am very sorry to learn that this is the challenge you face jocelynn.

    Fact File: Water allergy
    Considering our bodies are around 60 per cent water, it seems one of life's more implausible conditions.
    But aquagenic urticaria, or water allergy, is one of a number of forms of urticaria - such as aversions to the sun and extreme cold or exercise (which causes sweating, producing water) - that also causes the skin to break out in painful hives and welts.
    Only around 30-40 people worldwide are thought to have been diagnosed with the condition, which was first described in 1964.
    Within minutes of the skin making contact with water, rashes appear which can last for anything from 15 minutes to two hours or more.
    In severe cases, such as Miss Dutton's, sufferers suffer similar symptoms in their throat if they drink water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Actually, water allergy is a very real, albeit very, very rare condition as the following excerpt and linked article document. There presently is no real understanding of why it occurs or any known cure, only suggested treatments to attempt. I am very sorry to learn that this is the challenge you face jocelynn.
    Aquagenic urticaria affects the skin not the stomach.
    "Within minutes of the skin making contact with water, rashes appear which can last for anything from 15 minutes to two hours or more."

    But whatever the cause, this is a forum.
    She should go to a doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
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    Actually, water allergy is a very real, albeit very, very rare condition as the following excerpt and linked article document. There presently is no real understanding of why it occurs or any known cure, only suggested treatments to attempt. I am very sorry to learn that this is the challenge you face jocelynn.
    Aquagenic urticaria affects the skin not the stomach.
    "Within minutes of the skin making contact with water, rashes appear which can last for anything from 15 minutes to two hours or more."

    But whatever the cause, this is a forum.
    She should go to a doctor.
    I did read the details and posted some of them.

    In severe cases, such as Miss Dutton's, sufferers suffer similar symptoms in their throat if they drink water.
    There is very little known about this rare disorder and if the throat can be affected why not the stomach?

    While I agree that she should seek medical professional help, I expect they will be lacking in expertise because of the rareness of this disorder although they do have access to various treatments, all of which will be experimental due to the lack of much information on this emerging condition.

    My mother has endured the CREST form of scleroderma for decades and by now knows far more about the condition than the many doctors and specialists who have attended her. Once again, her condition is quite rare, little understood and has no known cure.

    Just bringing more details to the discussion because in reading the thread, I felt that the preliminary answers were rather dismissive of the OP's concern.
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    Jocelyn, can you share with us any more details?

    Have you seen medical professionals?

    If so, what did they diagnose and/or advise you?

    You may respond to me by PM if you would rather keep such details private or if you'd rather not share more, then that is alright also. That you have posted in an open forum, though, would lead me to think otherwise. I am sincerely interested in knowing more about rare conditions and I participate in forums largely to observe human psychology. I work graveyard shift on weekends so this substitutes both as a learning and an entertainment venue as I don't go out much.
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    Does anyone remember the old-time carpet-beaters, which hung from the wall somewhere in the home, had a heavy steel spring-wire twisted to form a loop or two, atrtached to a wooden handle?

    Not to infer it's use is here justified, make no mistake; I simply thought of the fact: My Grandpa believed that many of life's un-diagnosable ills, such as imaginary, psychosomatic, cult-beliefs, repeated ridiculous actions, and such, were 'curable" through use of that instrument on the complainer's back.

    Sounds horrid, but the more I saw of frivolous complaint over my lifetime, the more sense it made that suddenly-imposed real pain results in immediate release from nebulous conditions. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Does anyone remember the old-time carpet-beaters, which hung from the wall somewhere in the home, had a heavy steel spring-wire twisted to form a loop or two, atrtached to a wooden handle?

    Not to infer it's use is here justified, make no mistake; I simply thought of the fact: My Grandpa believed that many of life's un-diagnosable ills, such as imaginary, psychosomatic, cult-beliefs, repeated ridiculous actions, and such, were 'curable" through use of that instrument on the complainer's back.

    Sounds horrid, but the more I saw of frivolous complaint over my lifetime, the more sense it made that suddenly-imposed real pain results in immediate release from nebulous conditions. jocular
    Hmmm...you probably subscribe to the 'sink or swim' school of teaching then also. You know the one... You push the unsuspecting individual into water over their head and they miraculously 'learn' how to swim spontaneously. A few don't make it, especially here in the north where the water is so cold that it can induce shock in some, but that's just 'natural selection' after all...
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    Now, Jocular... no flirting with the ladies. This is supposed to be a comfortable setting for adults to discuss scientific and real world affairs.

    No... Not THAT kind of affairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    Hmmm...you probably subscribe to the 'sink or swim' school of teaching then also. You know the one... You push the unsuspecting individual into water over their head and they miraculously 'learn' how to swim spontaneously. A few don't make it, especially here in the north where the water is so cold that it can induce shock in some, but that's just 'natural selection' after all...
    No, I do not.

    I feared there would be retribution, but hoped it would originate with someone else!

    My point is that the great variety of aches, pains, gripes with this and that, negativism, etc., are quickly sublimated when a real pain suddenly intervenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    My point is that the great variety of aches, pains, gripes with this and that, negativism, etc., are quickly sublimated when a real pain suddenly intervenes.

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    Hunger was when you felt the urge to eat because you were used to eating around that time of day.
    REAL Hunger was when you haven't eaten for a week.
    I think that applies, here.

    I will point out for the record, I doubt that the O.P. is a psychosomatic case. It may be additives in bottled water, even. Or a chemical used to treat it that is neutralized or overwhelmed when processing it into soda.
    Although some might say she should see a doctor... I also doubt a doctor would really be able to shed any light on it. Molecules are awfully tiny little things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Hmmm...you probably subscribe to the 'sink or swim' school of teaching then also. You know the one... You push the unsuspecting individual into water over their head and they miraculously 'learn' how to swim spontaneously. A few don't make it, especially here in the north where the water is so cold that it can induce shock in some, but that's just 'natural selection' after all...
    No, I do not.

    I feared there would be retribution, but hoped it would originate with someone else!

    My point is that the great variety of aches, pains, gripes with this and that, negativism, etc., are quickly sublimated when a real pain suddenly intervenes.

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    Sometimes real pain isnt really necessary. Just the threat of real pain. My kids used to try to milk sympathy and excuse from doing chores because their heads hurt or their feat hurt. For no apparent reason usually. When I offered remove the offending body part suddenly they felt fine and got chores done in record time. Unfortunately age and experience has taught them that I am not inclined to break the law and that removing their parts is illegal. So they know now just how empty those threats offers of treatment were never intended to be followed through on.

    I do not mean to imply that the OP is fishing for sympathy or anything like that. I have heard of water allergy as well. But was always led to understand that it was a bit of a misnomer. That the person isn't actually allergic to water itself but some minute particles in the water. And that drinking purified water was the best way to avoid the reaction. Tap water in the US is treated with all sorts of things like fluoride, chlorine and various trace minerals.

    I imagine the OP has already considered these things (and considering I haven't finished reading the thread- responding to post#12- probably someone else has already suggested this)but in case she hasn't I thought I'd put it out there.
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    Allergies and sensitivities are one of my areas of personal interest and research so I am interested in seeing what else Jocelyn is willing to share with us in support of her alleged claim to an allergic reaction to water.
    Meanwhile I have found another tidbit about water allergy and a list of nine other bizarre allergies.

    10 bizarre allergies: Water | MNN - Mother Nature Network
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocelynn View Post
    I'm 37 I have an incredible life a wonderful 2 year old son and I am the only person in the world who allergic to drinking water. My allergy happens in my stomach. Its hard to breath, hard to walk , and I look like I'm 6-9 months pregnant when I drink water. Most there time I'm perfectly fit. A perfect 124 pounds flat stomach then a drop of water gets in me and I can hardly walk. So swollen it looks like ascites but its not. I've studied ways to treat it. Doctors would want to know maybe how to treat aquatigenic allergies to water. I drink whole milk and coke only. I stay away from any thing made with water. Pasta, rice etc. And I'm especially careful when I shower.
    Have you ever had at one time a personal near drowning event or an episode where you either witnessed a drowning or drowning victim? The reason I say this is because the symptoms you describe sound like those of a drowning or drowned person. If you have experienced some form of drowning event, either as victim or witness, then I would wonder about some kind of psychosomatic illness as a result of stress or some kind of discord going on within your mind. It may be so strong, this inner turmoil, that you actually experience the symptoms physically whenever water is ingested. Perhaps you're not really allergic to water and all you need is professional counselling.
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    Deliberating over this thread today in my mind, a sudden "Eureka" presented: Could those folks (myself included) having mysteriously undiagnosable, as to cause, bouts of COPD, be allergic to air?

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    Technically, an allergy is an immune reaction to a protein. You cannot be allergic to water because it does not contain protein. You can have digestive intolerances to certain foods that are not proteins, however, which makes them hard to digest.

    People who are on diets sometimes deliberately drink a lot of water to make themselves feel full. Maybe you are just noticing the natural fullness that you get from drinking water and you have decided that there is something wrong with you.

    Have you measured your stomach with a tape measure 1) after it is empty 2) after you have drunk water 3)after you have eaten a heavy meal? It's natural for your stomach to expand when there is something in it. If you are thin and have a flat stomach, then the natural bulge that you get whenever you eat or drink something is going to be more noticeable. Maybe you just pay more attention to this after you drink water.

    Also, coke and milk contain water so they would affect you, too. In fact, very few things that you can possibly consume do not contain water.

    Or it could be a reaction to something in the water.

    You should see a doctor to get your symptoms analyzed and also maybe have your water analyzed, if you are drinking tap water.
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    wait, does anyone notice the smile icon on the thread title, kind of suspicious? hmm..
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    I'm allergic to stupid, and I assure you, it's considerably more prevalent in the world than water. It takes a long time to find ways to cope, I tried to join a scienceforum to escape it, but, it seems that a few particles of stupid have also reached here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Japith View Post
    wait, does anyone notice the smile icon on the thread title, kind of suspicious? hmm..
    "Suspicious' also that they took the time to post a birth date that coincides with their age in the OP and that as per the links I have posted, there actually is a rare subset of persons who 'react' to water.

    I am hopeful that jocelyn returns and responds so that I, for one, can learn more details, about this person's interests in posting at this forum and their reason for posting this topic. In any event, I have learned about a new and rare condition that expresses itself differently among those who have it and I have also learned more about responding members and their perspectives. (Should I post an emoticon after this sentence? Maybe not. It's bound to raise suspicions.)
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    You are not alone. I am also allergic to drinking water. Been that way for 33 yrs. Anytime i drink water, i get pneumonia severely and end up on the hospital. There are roughly a dozen people in the world that has this problem. My 7 yr old god daughter was diagnosis with it too
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    Quote Originally Posted by seadansr View Post
    You are not alone. I am also allergic to drinking water. Been that way for 33 yrs. Anytime i drink water, i get pneumonia severely and end up on the hospital. There are roughly a dozen people in the world that has this problem. My 7 yr old god daughter was diagnosis with it too
    Jocelyn never returned to her thread, unfortunately.

    Can you be allergic to water? « My Allergy Zone

    Are you willing and able to tell us more about this very uncommon condition, seadansr? I, for one, would find it very interesting. There are several doubters on this site. Please pay them no mind or report them if they are unprofessional in responding. That is the appropriate mechanism in this forum. Scrutiny and direct questioning can be expected but not ridicule or personal attack.
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    It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

    Aquagenic urticaria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It is well to note, however, that is is not actually an allergy. It also says it happens on the skin, not in the stomach.

    Also see Aquagenic pruritus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-520329/The-teenage-girl-allergic-WATER.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    Aquagenic urticaria affects the skin not the stomach.
    You do realise that the stomach is just that part of your skin that is part of a route that goes all the way through your body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    I am curious about this. The article says:
    In order to survive, those who are allergic to water usually need to consume alternative liquids such as juices in order to stay hydrated.
    But juices is mainly water. It seems odd that pure water would be a problem but impure water isn't. I wonder if these is a psychosomatic element? (I hope that doesn't prompt the usual silly "I'm not insane" responses.) Especially as the woman in that article developed it after childbirth (which is pretty physically and mentally stressful).
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    You do realise that the stomach is just that part of your skin that is part of a route that goes all the way through your body?
    And is full of water ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    wait, does anyone notice the smile icon on the thread title, kind of suspicious? hmm..
    "Suspicious' also that they took the time to post a birth date that coincides with their age in the OP and that as per the links I have posted, there actually is a rare subset of persons who 'react' to water.

    I am hopeful that jocelyn returns and responds so that I, for one, can learn more details, about this person's interests in posting at this forum and their reason for posting this topic. In any event, I have learned about a new and rare condition that expresses itself differently among those who have it and I have also learned more about responding members and their perspectives. (Should I post an emoticon after this sentence? Maybe not. It's bound to raise suspicions.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by seadansr View Post
    You are not alone. I am also allergic to drinking water. Been that way for 33 yrs. Anytime i drink water, i get pneumonia severely and end up on the hospital. There are roughly a dozen people in the world that has this problem. My 7 yr old god daughter was diagnosis with it too
    Pneumonia is not an allergic reaction. Quite the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seadansr View Post
    You are not alone. I am also allergic to drinking water. Been that way for 33 yrs. Anytime i drink water, i get pneumonia severely and end up on the hospital. There are roughly a dozen people in the world that has this problem. My 7 yr old god daughter was diagnosis with it too
    Pneumonia is not an allergic reaction. Quite the opposite.
    Having had it a couple of times.....I have to agree......I get it when I get a bad bad cold that turns into bronchitis then pneumonia.

    It had nothing to do with allergies
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    Quote Originally Posted by seadansr View Post
    You are not alone. I am also allergic to drinking water. Been that way for 33 yrs. Anytime i drink water, i get pneumonia severely and end up on the hospital. There are roughly a dozen people in the world that has this problem. My 7 yr old god daughter was diagnosis with it too
    This is a sockpuppet if I've ever seen one. Her comment that "only a dozen people in the world are allergic to water" is nonsensicle because that'd mean 3 people on this single forum accounts for the 12 individuals on the entire planet with the 'disease'.

    What type of sockpuppet? I'd say a ballot stuffer, considering seadansr and jocelynn are relatively new and have a similar story. What's weird is ballot stuffers are typically in polls, not threads. It seems his/her agenda is to get people to believe allergy to water is real. And seeing as how a smile-icon was used in the opening post, there's a chance this is some kind of advertisement or spammer.
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    The U.S Department Of Health & Human Services, National Institutes Of Health, Office Of Rare Diseases Research offers the following:

    What is aquagenic urticaria?(Back To Top) Aquagenic urticaria is characterized by itchy white or red lumps that occur after direct contact with water, regardless of its temperature. It more commonly affects women and symptoms often start around the onset of puberty. It can occur alone or in association with other forms of urticaria. It can affect the whole or portions of the body. The cause of aquagenic urticaria is currently unknown.[1][2][3][4]

    How might aquagenic urticaria be treated?(Back To Top) Due to the rarity of aquagenic urticaria there is very limited data regarding the effectiveness of individual treatments. Below we have listed treatments that have been tried with variable success.[1][2][3][4] We encourage you to discuss your treatment options with a healthcare provider. Emollients
    Antihistamines (e.g., desloratadine, hydroxyzine)
    Anticholinergics
    Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI)
    Oil-in-water emulsion skin cream
    Water-resistant sun block
    Ultraviolet therapy
    Psoralen/ultraviolet A (PUVA) therapy
    Ultraviolet B and antihistamine combination therapy
    You can learn more about these treatments at the following links:
    The New Zealand Dermatological Society, Inc. provides information on emollients and PUVA therapy at the following links:
    Emollients: Emollients and moisturizers (moisturisers). DermNet NZ
    PUVA: PUVA (photochemotherapy). DermNet NZ
    The Consumers Union of the US provides information on antihistamine drugs at the following link:
    Consumer Reports Health - Antihistamine Drugs
    The Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research provides information on anticholingergics and on SSRI at the following links:
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    This condition is REAL. Extremely rare and little understood by the medical profession, but it does exist. Our species is observed to have some comprehension difficulties where matters that we have not or cannot experience are concerned.

    The U.S. Department of Health and the Mayo Clinic are credible references to my knowledge.
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    You are not alone. I am also allergic to drinking water. Been that way for 33 yrs. Anytime i drink water, i get pneumonia severely and end up on the hospital. There are roughly a dozen people in the world that has this problem. My 7 yr old god daughter was diagnosis with it too
    This is a sockpuppet if I've ever seen one. Her comment that "only a dozen people in the world are allergic to water" is nonsensicle because that'd mean 3 people on this single forum accounts for the 12 individuals on the entire planet with the 'disease'.

    What type of sockpuppet? I'd say a ballot stuffer, considering seadansr and jocelynn are relatively new and have a similar story. What's weird is ballot stuffers are typically in polls, not threads. It seems his/her agenda is to get people to believe allergy to water is real. And seeing as how a smile-icon was used in the opening post, there's a chance this is some kind of advertisement or spammer.
    Or it could be the very popular "drive by wooing". We get a lot of those.
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    Well water and a nearby leaking septic tank are not a good combination.
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    Applause!

    My husband is allergic to his own sweat!
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    You bunch of clowns.

    I think I'll look for a science site to hang out on.

    Really....
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    You are not alone. I am also allergic to drinking water. Been that way for 33 yrs. Anytime i drink water, i get pneumonia severely and end up on the hospital. There are roughly a dozen people in the world that has this problem. My 7 yr old god daughter was diagnosis with it too
    Pneumonia is not an allergic reaction. Quite the opposite.
    Having had it a couple of times.....I have to agree......I get it when I get a bad bad cold that turns into bronchitis then pneumonia.

    It had nothing to do with allergies
    Symptoms arising from allergies often mimic much more serious ailments, such as pneumonia; thus, the additional effects of serious illness must be looked for, such as fever. In my own case, I have had a higher than normal white blood cell count of Eosinophils for about a year now- the guys that respond to presence of allergens and other foreign shit in the system, and cause the release of histamine, which then causes the allergic symptoms. Thus, I must exercise extreme caution in breathing, lest it bring on pneumonia!

    Drinking water and breathing: two potentially very dangerous activities! jocular
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    This is a sockpuppet if I've ever seen one. Her comment that "only a dozen people in the world are allergic to water" is nonsensicle because that'd mean 3 people on this single forum accounts for the 12 individuals on the entire planet with the 'disease'.
    SOCKPUPPET?? jocular
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    The U.S. Department of Health and the Mayo Clinic are credible references to my knowledge.
    Experts though they are, they erringly omitted the one simple, always-effective cure: several swipes across the back using an antique wire-wound carpet-beater! Especially effective where psychosomatism is suspected. joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    The U.S. Department of Health and the Mayo Clinic are credible references to my knowledge.
    Experts though they are, they erringly omitted the one simple, always-effective cure: several swipes across the back using an antique wire-wound carpet-beater! Especially effective where psychosomatism is suspected. joc
    A lot you know, my friend, and were I close enough, we could go at it full on with carpet-beaters. I just have done wrestling 9 metal panels of 78lbs each and one gate panel of 112 lbs. into place...without assistance.

    Bring it on.

    Better yet, may you contract some exceptionally rare disorder and be treated by your own methodology.

    There are a lot of very unusual things that people suffer from and it's NOT all in their heads. Were you in favor of electric shock therapy also?
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    Applause!

    My husband is allergic to his own sweat!
    And, therefore, avoids producing it at all cost? joc
    No, but make sure after workouts immediate shower or in the pool for laps. Seems to help.
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    One of my friends told me that drinking a lot of water may drown your lungs. Is it true? If yes, how excessive "a lot" is? Like 20 glasses a day?
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    Try adding lemon. (I'm suprised that no one has suggested a vet)
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    Try adding lemon. (I'm suprised that no one has suggested a vet)

    A veterinary physician? For people's water allergy?
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    Drinking too much water doesn't "drown your lungs". When you drink water it goes into your stomach, if it goes ito your lungs that is "normal" drowning nothing to do with drinking

    Drinking too much water is bad for you though as it disturbs the balance and concentration of electrolytes in your blood and tissues. More information is here:

    Water intoxication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    My daughter has been drinking a lot of water lately and is also complaining of head aches. I told her she needs to eat some salty snack a few times a day if she is going to drink as much water as she has been. I used to get headaches a lot too and found that if I just sprinkled some salt in my hand and licked it off within about 30 minutes my headache would go away.
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    My daughter has been drinking a lot of water lately and is also complaining of head aches.
    That could be a symptom of something... (I believe diabetes, for example, can increase thirst and was one of the things I was tested for when I saw a doctor about headaches.)

    As we are not supposed to provide medical advice, I should add: Other diagnoses and illnesses are available.
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    The U.S. Department of Health and the Mayo Clinic are credible references to my knowledge.
    Experts though they are, they erringly omitted the one simple, always-effective cure: several swipes across the back using an antique wire-wound carpet-beater! Especially effective where psychosomatism is suspected. joc
    A lot you know, my friend, and were I close enough, we could go at it full on with carpet-beaters. I just have done wrestling 9 metal panels of 78lbs each and one gate panel of 112 lbs. into place...without assistance.

    Bring it on.

    Better yet, may you contract some exceptionally rare disorder and be treated by your own methodology.

    There are a lot of very unusual things that people suffer from and it's NOT all in their heads. Were you in favor of electric shock therapy also?
    Well! I surely expected that one of your introspective nature and judgmental ability would not take to "heart" my "pain triumphs over imagined illness" concept! I would apologize, but somehow feel it inappropriate.

    As an Electrical Engineer, having seen the grotesqueness induced in people enduring electric shock, to answer your question, no, emphatically, I do not favor shock therapy. joc
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    I drink about 55 ounces of water a day..but I sweat it out....so that isn't excessive.
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    A lot you know, my friend, and were I close enough, we could go at it full on with carpet-beaters. I just have done wrestling 9 metal panels of 78lbs each and one gate panel of 112 lbs. into place...without assistance.

    Bring it on. [COLOR="#0000FF"]A Duel? Good gamble, Ma'am, pitting a robust young woman against a decrepit, morally-disintegrant old man.[/COLOR]

    Better yet, may you contract some exceptionally rare disorder and be treated by your own methodology. My invective has surely unfettered a heretofore unseen vindictive streak, hidden within your being! Can it be true, the "lady of the North" wishes to see me thus afflicted? But, no, it was qualified as "exceptionally rare" (meaning, it won't occur)

    There are a lot of very unusual things that people suffer from and it's NOT all in their heads. When all the "hodge-podge" is boiled-down to the basic sludge, are not ALL human sufferings, symptoms, perceptions, memories, pain, pleasure, anger, and contentment, ALL originated "in their heads"?
    Well! I surely expected that one of your introspective nature and judgmental ability would not take to "heart" my "pain triumphs over imagined illness" concept! I would apologize, but somehow feel it inappropriate.

    As an Electrical Engineer, having seen the grotesqueness induced in people enduring electric shock, to answer your question, no, emphatically, I do not favor shock therapy. joc[/QUOTE]
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    As is typical of many of my computer-driven endeavors, the above post's incongruency, misleading highlights, and generally piss-poor text results, emphasize the fact that this joc HAS TO GO! joc
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    As is typical of many of my computer-driven endeavors, the above post's incongruency, misleading highlights, and generally piss-poor text results, emphasize the fact that this joc HAS TO GO! joc
    As long as you come back refreshed and ready to contribute more later.
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    I drink about 55 ounces of water a day..but I sweat it out....so that isn't excessive.
    You lose sodium as well as water when you sweat. Drinking lots of plain water when sweating excessively can be very dangerous. It causes hyponatremia (water intoxication), which can be fatal. I don't know if 55 ounces a day is enough to cause it, but if you sweat a lot, you should be replacing electrolytes as well as water.

    FYI, I don't particularly like it when someone has a medical complaint and are told it is psychosomatic or hypochondria. They could be completely wrong about the cause (you can't be allergic to water, for example) but their symptoms should be explored so they can find out what really is causing them and find some relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
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    I drink about 55 ounces of water a day..but I sweat it out....so that isn't excessive.
    You lose sodium as well as water when you sweat. Drinking lots of plain water when sweating excessively can be very dangerous. It causes hyponatremia (water intoxication), which can be fatal. I don't know if 55 ounces a day is enough to cause it, but if you sweat a lot, you should be replacing electrolytes as well as water.

    FYI, I don't particularly like it when someone has a medical complaint and are told it is psychosomatic or hypochondria. They could be completely wrong about the cause (you can't be allergic to water, for example) but their symptoms should be explored so they can find out what really is causing them and find some relief.
    You live in the tropics, you salt your food. I also take out drinks with electro's I them ..though I mix them with water to cut the sugar content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
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    I drink about 55 ounces of water a day..but I sweat it out....so that isn't excessive.
    You lose sodium as well as water when you sweat. Drinking lots of plain water when sweating excessively can be very dangerous. It causes hyponatremia (water intoxication), which can be fatal. I don't know if 55 ounces a day is enough to cause it, but if you sweat a lot, you should be replacing electrolytes as well as water.
    To cross-reference another thread... you need Pocari Sweat!

    FYI, I don't particularly like it when someone has a medical complaint and are told it is psychosomatic or hypochondria. They could be completely wrong about the cause (you can't be allergic to water, for example) but their symptoms should be explored so they can find out what really is causing them and find some relief.
    Although, after investigation, it maybe that the cause is psychosomatic. This doesn't mean it is not a real problem, or that it is "imaginary", or that the patient is insane, or that it can't be treated.

    When I had a more stressful job, I would sometimes get extremely unpleasant physical symptoms caused by stress.
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    FYI, I don't particularly like it when someone has a medical complaint and are told it is psychosomatic or hypochondria. They could be completely wrong about the cause (you can't be allergic to water, for example) but their symptoms should be explored so they can find out what really is causing them and find some relief.
    Although, after investigation, it maybe that the cause is psychosomatic. This doesn't mean it is not a real problem, or that it is "imaginary", or that the patient is insane, or that it can't be treated.

    When I had a more stressful job, I would sometimes get extremely unpleasant physical symptoms caused by stress.
    True. The issue is the problem being ignored, with "psychosomatic" being a code word for "can't be bothered".
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    True. The issue is the problem being ignored, with "psychosomatic" being a code word for "can't be bothered".
    True. I'm sure that happens. My constantly blocked and stuffed sinuses were put down to "idiopathic rhinitis" which just means "you have a runny nose". Thanks doc! (I did find out at later that I was allergic to my favourite toothpaste!)
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    I wonder what is in the water that jocelynn is allergic to.
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    I wonder what is in the water that jocelynn is allergic to.
    Probably hydrogen, but maybe oxygen. joc
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    City water is treated, and some of us are sensitive to the residuals from the treatment.
    It seems that all "naturally occuring"water contains other elements. Our well water(from the devonian level) has disolved limestone, the silurian just below that has sulfides, my mom's had iron, etc...
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    I wonder what is in the water that jocelynn is allergic to.
    Probably hydrogen, but maybe oxygen. joc

    I think she drank dihydrogenmonoxide.
    Studies have shown that 100% of people who drink it, die!
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    If she lives in a big city, there could be trace amounts of countless pharmaceuticals in the water. People dump left over medications down the toilet, not to mention simply passing it as waste in their urine and it doesn't all get filtered out in the treatment process. What comes out in our drinking water isn't usually enough to affect most people but some are extremely sensitive even to trace amounts and maybe she is one of them.

    Edit: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/f...drinking-water
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    I wonder what is in the water that jocelynn is allergic to.
    Probably hydrogen, but maybe oxygen. joc

    I think she drank dihydrogenmonoxide.
    Studies have shown that 100% of people who drink it, die!
    How soon after drinking it do they die?

    Dangerous stuff according to the Material Safety Data Sheet.

    MSDS: Dihydrogen Monoxide Dihydrogen monoxide (also known as hydric acid) is responsible for injury, death, and property damage all over the world. Visit the Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division online at www.dhmo.org, or send email to info@dhmo.org for more information.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET FOR DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PRODUCT NAME: DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE FORMULA WT: 18.00 CAS NO.: 07732-18-5 NIOSH/RTECS NO.: ZC0110000 COMMON SYNONYMS: DIHYDROGEN OXIDE, HYDRIC ACID PRODUCT CODES: 4218,4219 EFFECTIVE: 05/30/86 REVISION #01 LABORATORY PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT SAFETY GLASSES; LAB COAT PRECAUTIONARY LABEL STATEMENTS STORAGE: KEEP IN TIGHTLY CLOSED CONTAINER. BOILING POINT: 100 C ( 212 F) VAPOR PRESSURE(MM HG): 17.5 MELTING POINT: 0 C ( 32 F) VAPOR DENSITY(AIR=1): N/A SPECIFIC GRAVITY: 1.00 EVAPORATION RATE: N/A SOLUBILITY(H2O): COMPLETE (IN ALL PROPORTIONS) % VOLATILES BY VOLUME: 100 APPEARANCE & ODOR: ODORLESS, CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID. TOXICITY: LD50 (IPR-MOUSE)(G/KG) - 190 LD50 (IV-MOUSE) (MG/KG) - 25 DISPOSAL PROCEDURE DISPOSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS. SAF-T-DATA(TM) STORAGE COLOR CODE: ORANGE (GENERAL STORAGE) SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS KEEP CONTAINER TIGHTLY CLOSED. SUITABLE FOR ANY GENERAL CHEMICAL STORAGE AREA. DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE IS CONSIDERED A NON-REGULATED PRODUCT, BUT REACTS VIGOROUSLY WITH SOME MATERIALS. THESE INCLUDE SODIUM, POTASSIUM AND OTHER ALKALI METALS; ELEMENTAL FLUORINE; AND STRONG DEHYDRATING AGENTS SUCH AS SULFURIC ACID. IT FORMS EXPLOSIVE GASES WITH CALCIUM CARBIDE. AVOID CONTACT WITH ALL MATERIALS UNTIL INVESTIGATION SHOWS SUBSTANCE IS COMPATIBLE. EXPANDS SIGNIFICANTLY UPON FREEZING. DO NOT STORE IN RIGID CONTAINER AND PROTECT FROM FREEZING. DOMESTIC (D.O.T.) PROPER SHIPPING NAME CHEMICALS, N.O.S. (NON-REGULATED) INTERNATIONAL (I.M.O.) PROPER SHIPPING NAME CHEMICALS, N.O.S. (NON-REGULATED) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    A rather interesting side note: Though the mighty Colorado River flows right through our area, Bullhead City (Arizona), and the surrounding parts of the county, unincorporated, can withdraw NO water from the river. BHC has grown from pop. 20,000 in 2000 to 40,000 in 2010, doubled in one decade! All domestic water is pumped groundwater, which is, as is common in arid areas, not of the purest quality, due to high alkalinity from dissolved solids, none of which are particularly of any health consequence. Other side of the river, town of Laughlin, Nevada, pop. about 9000, recycles virtually all of the fresh water used, with make-up for loss coming from groundwater. Exact figure I'm not sure, but recall hearing about 90% of the water flowing in the casinos, hotels, and homes is recycled from all waste sources!

    If I leave a drinking glass, wet, to dry overnight on the sink, in the morning it will be coated with white spots of "alkali". ANY water evaporated, such as in swimming pools, leaves behind coping and tiles coated thickly, in time, with hard, white shit! Vinegar will dissolve it, if needed, in the home. Scrubbing the spots off dishes, etc., is a difficult chore. Drying the stuff with dishtowels prevents the build-up. In addition, while it tastes OK, I still buy bottled water for drinking, though we cook with tap water.

    Other side of the river, Nevada, recycled water, leaves NO RESIDUE upon drying! It surely tastes better than ours, even while thinking it was largely urine and ???, before treatment and re-shipping to the user. So, the recycling process must be quite thorough and no doubt expensive. Our water on the AZ side is the best bargain we have going, our bill for one month, 18,000 gallons used, was $ 30.66! This in the desert, where it took from March 9 until mid-July (5 months!) to finally get a measurable rainfall! Between July and now, we have gotten about 3" of rain, which constitutes over 1/2 of the average annual amount!

    I'll say it again: eventually, fresh water will become far more important than OIL! jocular
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    A rather interesting side note: Though the mighty Colorado River flows right through our area, Bullhead City (Arizona), and the surrounding parts of the county, unincorporated, can withdraw NO water from the river. BHC has grown from pop. 20,000 in 2000 to 40,000 in 2010, doubled in one decade! All domestic water is pumped groundwater, which is, as is common in arid areas, not of the purest quality, due to high alkalinity from dissolved solids, none of which are particularly of any health consequence. Other side of the river, town of Laughlin, Nevada, pop. about 9000, recycles virtually all of the fresh water used, with make-up for loss coming from groundwater. Exact figure I'm not sure, but recall hearing about 90% of the water flowing in the casinos, hotels, and homes is recycled from all waste sources!

    If I leave a drinking glass, wet, to dry overnight on the sink, in the morning it will be coated with white spots of "alkali". ANY water evaporated, such as in swimming pools, leaves behind coping and tiles coated thickly, in time, with hard, white shit! Vinegar will dissolve it, if needed, in the home. Scrubbing the spots off dishes, etc., is a difficult chore. Drying the stuff with dishtowels prevents the build-up. In addition, while it tastes OK, I still buy bottled water for drinking, though we cook with tap water.

    Other side of the river, Nevada, recycled water, leaves NO RESIDUE upon drying! It surely tastes better than ours, even while thinking it was largely urine and ???, before treatment and re-shipping to the user. So, the recycling process must be quite thorough and no doubt expensive. Our water on the AZ side is the best bargain we have going, our bill for one month, 18,000 gallons used, was $ 30.66! This in the desert, where it took from March 9 until mid-July (5 months!) to finally get a measurable rainfall! Between July and now, we have gotten about 3" of rain, which constitutes over 1/2 of the average annual amount!

    I'll say it again: eventually, fresh water will become far more important than OIL! jocular
    Same with Hawai'i! We also have a very high calcium level in the water. I drink bottled water, but cook with tap.
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    When I lived in BHC/Laughlin we drove up to Davis dam to fill jugs with drinking water. I was only 17 then but my grandparents, who I lived with initially, said that the dam water was filtered. I wasn't completely convinced of that so got bottled water delivered with a cooler dispenser when I got out on my own.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Compared to rivers and creeks I grew up with in the Midwest, the Colorado River appears pristine! Water clarity is always unusually good, people using the river seem to be pretty aware that it is through continuing effort on their part, to not litter the river. Living in Phoenix, for example, it was common to observe, while stopped at a traffic signal, the disgusting habit of a carload of miscreants ahead simply discarding their McDonalds litter right out of their windows! jocular
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    It is unbelievable. You know milk and cola is mainly made up of water....
    Have you ever drunk normal saline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonGeller View Post
    It is unbelievable. You know milk and cola is mainly made up of water....
    Have you ever drunk normal saline?
    Only when they were IV'd into me. Then I guess my veins drank it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocelynn View Post
    I'm 37 I have an incredible life a wonderful 2 year old son and I am the only person in the world who allergic to drinking water. My allergy happens in my stomach. Its hard to breath, hard to walk , and I look like I'm 6-9 months pregnant when I drink water. Most there time I'm perfectly fit. A perfect 124 pounds flat stomach then a drop of water gets in me and I can hardly walk. So swollen it looks like ascites but its not. I've studied ways to treat it. Doctors would want to know maybe how to treat aquatigenic allergies to water. I drink whole milk and coke only. I stay away from any thing made with water. Pasta, rice etc. And I'm especially careful when I shower.
    Even some heart patients are told not to consume water more than 1 glass a day . Ya they too go with juice or something else ....
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    some heart patients are told not to consume water more than 1 glass a day . Ya they too go with juice or something else ....
    If this is true, it probably has to do with maintaining electrolyte balance, not a problem with the water itself.
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    Perhaps it's due to the fact that by the time the heart is screwed up, the kidneys have already gone 'round the bend. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Perhaps it's due to the fact that by the time the heart is screwed up, the kidneys have already gone 'round the bend. jocular
    Which bend? Thanks Joc. *ducking*
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    Hard water here, too. I drink from the tap, and save money on calcium supplements.
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    I was up the lane at my neighbor's house just two days ago when the water delivery fellow arrived and I observed her having her large 1200 gallon underground cistern filled. As the water displaced the air, there was a very noticeable waft of chlorine and whatever other chemicals that the city of Whitehorse uses to treat their water supply. Apparently that stuff degrades the grey plastic plumbing that is preffered by many in this cold climate, especially when used for the hot water lines, so I was told by someone who has more experience of these matters.

    Truly, I am a very fortunate person to have a good supply of water from our deep well, that is odorless, colorless, tasteless and that has minimal traces of calcium and iron which have not damaged the kettle, coffee maker, washing machine or toilet, complaints of which I hear many persons bemoan.
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    we have a 280 ft deep well
    we have calcium
    we use vinegar to descale everything from shower heads to the coffee maker.
    and I flush the water heater once a year.

    I ran our water system for 3 years and had the water tested for every contaminant I could think of.
    It seems that calcium is our only problem, and as problems go, this ain't no big deal.

    My biggest concern was when the nearby town drilled 2 massive wells into the same aquifer, so I did draw-down tests on the well over 4 seasons to get a baseline. They pump well over 100 times the water we use. Fortunately, their pumping had no effect on our water supply. (Their wells are downstream of ours.)

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    I see jocelynn never came back

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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    I see jocelynn never came back
    Yes, it's putting a serious strain on our friendship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    we have a 280 ft deep well
    we have calcium
    we use vinegar to descale everything from shower heads to the coffee maker.
    and I flush the water heater once a year.

    I ran our water system for 3 years and had the water tested for every contaminant I could think of.
    It seems that calcium is our only problem, and as problems go, this ain't no big deal.

    My biggest concern was when the nearby town drilled 2 massive wells into the same aquifer, so I did draw-down tests on the well over 4 seasons to get a baseline. They pump well over 100 times the water we use. Fortunately, their pumping had no effect on our water supply. (Their wells are downstream of ours.)

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    I see jocelynn never came back

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    Had to close our well when we did our addition.
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    Hello there, i am also allergic to water!not all water but municipal tap water, with extra yummy flouride for out teeth.I can drink well water or spring water but if i evin touch treated water i get a very severe reaction.I had been diagnosed with fibromyalga years ago, but when i left where i was living in the city and moved to a house with a well all my symptoms dissapeared amd would only re appear when i went to the city and say had a cup of tea with a friend.i moved back to the city recently and boy oh boy my system got a shock, i cant put the children in the bath m, not to mind myself , cant wash the dishes and cant hang up the laundry , or i become completely cripples with nerve pain and get very dizzy and disorientated. I treat this by taking an antihistamine (zyrtec) this takes most of the symtoms away , but i am wiped out for a day or two afterward. I believe alot of people are allergic to cheicals added to water,and as food is processed with this water too people are overloaded and their health definitly suffers. i am hyper-allergic so my reactions are intense but everyone is being poisoned.
    The following unedited symptoms of chronic fluoride poisoning, authored by the leading authority on fluoride toxicity only a few years before the first mass cases of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia were reported, appear on page 393 of the book “Fluoridation: The Great Dilemma”…

    Chronic fatigue not relieved by extra sleep or rest
    Headaches
    Dryness of the throat and excessive water consumption
    Urinary tract irritation
    Aches and stiffness in muscles/bones (arthritic-like pain)
    In lower back In neck area
    In jaws In arms, shoulders, legs
    Muscular weakness
    Muscle spasms (involuntary twitching)
    Tingling sensations in fingers (especially) and feet
    Gastrointestinal disturbances
    Abdominal pains Blood in stools
    Diarrhea Bloated feeling (gas)
    Constipation Tenderness in stomach area
    Feeling of nausea (flu-like symptoms)
    Pinkish-red or bluish-red spots (like bruises, but round or oval) on
    the skin that fade and clear up in 7-10 days.
    Skin rash or itching, especially after showers or bathing.
    Mouth sores (also from fluoridated toothpaste)
    Loss of mental acuity and ability to concentrate
    Depression
    Excessive Nervousness
    Dizziness
    Tendency to lose balance
    Visual disturbances
    Temporary blind spots in field of vision
    Diminished ability to focus (possible retinal damage)

    (See Reference Image: Image is of Page 393 of George Waldbott's 1978 book "Fluoridation: The Great Dilemma", which was written in collaboration with Albert W. Burgstahler, PhD and H. Lewis McKinney, PhD. Waldbott was the founder of the International Society of Fluoride Research and the "Fluoride" science journal. Waldbott was regarded as one of the 20th century's top experts in fluoride toxicity.)

    Thanks to medical specialization and the often-slow progression of symptoms, those who develop most of the major symptoms of chronic fluoride poisoning and are eventually diagnosed with "fibromyalgia", frequently share the experience of being treated like hypochondriacs, as one symptom after the next emerge, are diagnosed & treated separately by physicians. As a result, by the time the condition advances to include nearly the entire list of symptoms (including debilitating “brain fog”, or what Waldbott termed the “loss of mental acuity and ability to concentrate”), the fibromyalgia diagnosis has often been preceded by such labels as "chronic fatigue syndrome", "depression", "hypothyroidism", "irritable bladder", "irritable bowel syndrome", "multiple chemical sensitivity syndrome", and "myofascial pain syndrome", among others. Labels aside, whether or not those who suffer from fibromyalgia have been officially diagnosed with each of these related conditions, the overwhelming majority have symptoms of each and therefore understand from experience that they are all elements of a single underlying condition.

    Although the relative newness of fibromyalgia and many of its related conditions are often debated, what is not is that medical specialists began observing their sudden widespread appearance beginning in the early 1980's. In fact, so dramatically did the number of those suffering from the most debilitating symptoms ramp up, that by the end of the decade, Frederick Wolfe and the other leading rheumatologists who had only just gathered to define “fibromyalgia” a few years earlier, abruptly went their separate ways under mounting pressure to explain its sudden emergence. While the focus of the fluoride controversy has long been centered on the water supply, the anthrax letters of 2001 demonstrated how highly toxic forms of fluoride now available in select prescription drugs may be playing a considerable role in the emerging epidemic. For if a fluorinated antibiotic like Cipro (in a drug class developed in the early 1980's), can universally induce what is essentially the most severe form of fluoride poisoning in just 2 months, imagine how far down the road all those women are who have consumed mere weeks of the widely popular antibiotic.

    All this brings to mind the key objection of the 14 Nobel Prize winners in Chemistry & Medicine, including the 2000 Nobel Laureate for Medicine, Arvid Carlsson, that have warned against the practice of dumping fluoride waste into the nation’s water supply. For even before fluoride was known to be severely neurotoxic by more than a handful of experts, some of world’s top scientists expressed grave concerns about the potential long-term damage that might result from adding the powerful enzyme poison to any substance that might be ingested, given its ability to accumulate in the human body. Ironically, not only have such warnings not been heeded, but it is precisely because of fluoride's cumulative nature that it has been increasingly added to prescription drugs. In adding an element that does not tend to leave the body, fluorinated drugs become significantly more potent than their non-fluorinated counterparts.

    However, as the leading experts in fluoride toxicity have cautioned for decades, there is also a huge risk in adding even minute quantities of fluoride to each new drug. For not only do they add to the already dangerous levels of the cumulative neurotoxin in our diet, but it is entirely possible that certain prescription drugs could potentially fragment within the human body and reform hyper-toxic fluoride compounds, such as fluoro acetate. Given that there is a well-known delayed reaction between the point such forms of fluoride enter the body (or are formed in the body), and when symptoms begin, each new drug represents a potential time bomb; a truly nightmarish scenario made infinitely more likely with an FDA run by Wall Street analysts, appointed specifically to fast track drugs and allow drug companies not to have to monitor their long-term, chronic toxicity. That there was a delayed reaction in the onset of symptoms for most veterans of the first Gulf War, as well as the victims of the anthrax letters treated with Cipro, it seems increasingly likely that fibromyalgia represents just such a worst-case scenario.
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    Some interesting information in your post, flourideismycryptonite.

    About ten years ago, a group of citizens petitioned to remove flouride from the municipal drinking water supply. The City of Whitehorse does still use chlorine in the treatment of it's drinking water. I am fortunate enough to reside beyond the city infrastructure for water and have a deep well as my personal water source. There is a minute trace of calcium and iron in the water but absolutely no taste or odor. People always remark on how good the water is when they have a glass and it also brews exceptional coffee and tea. Water is a key element of wine as well and I make rhubarb wine once each year.
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