Thread: Freedom of expression.

The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

However, in science...

Earth sciences and their applications have growing implications for public health and safety, economic development, protection of the environment and ecosystems, and national security. Thus, scientists, policy makers, and their supporting institutions share a special responsibility at this time for guarding and promoting the freedom of responsible scientific expression.

[This statement is considered in force until September 2013 unless superseded by a new statement issued by the AMS Council before this date.]


I am the first statement, and you have to uphold the second?

Because of policy even if I stumbled across something you would not tell me I have?

I understand.

What?

In science, there is peer review, not freedom of expression. Science is just the facts, it doesn't give a damn about expressionism.

Originally Posted by Neverfly

What?

In science, there is peer review, not freedom of expression. Science is just the facts, it doesn't give a damn about expressionism.

Wrong, Science as a fundamental subject, is based on the freedom of expression, and also facts. Why else would there be a statement in force from the AMS council?


At an individual level, freedom of expression is key to the development, dignity and fulfilment of every person.

• People can gain an understanding of their surroundings and the wider world by exchanging ideas and information freely with others. This makes them more able to plan their lives and to work
• People feel more secure and respected by the state if they are able to speak their minds.

Science thrives on freedom of expression and must be at the forefront of defending it
THE words "science" and "censorship" do not sit easily together. And yet over the past decade, science has come to occupy an increasingly important role in debates over free speech.

Rather ironic really.

Originally Posted by theorist

The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

However, in science...

Earth sciences and their applications have growing implications for public health and safety, economic development, protection of the environment and ecosystems, and national security. Thus, scientists, policy makers, and their supporting institutions share a special responsibility at this time for guarding and promoting the freedom of responsible scientific expression.

[This statement is considered in force until September 2013 unless superseded by a new statement issued by the AMS Council before this date.]


I am the first statement, and you have to uphold the second?

Because of policy even if I stumbled across something you would not tell me I have?

I understand.

It appears that some of this might be quoted from somewhere. It is not clear what is quoted and what are your own words. It is also generally good form to provide a source for any quotations.

Apart from that: what? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously

Synonymously with what? Fruit cocktail? Chronoclastic infundibulum?

And it goes downhill from there.

I am the first statement, and you have to uphold the second?

You (or the source you are quoting?) are "Earth sciences and their applications"?

Just: what?

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by theorist

The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

However, in science...

Earth sciences and their applications have growing implications for public health and safety, economic development, protection of the environment and ecosystems, and national security. Thus, scientists, policy makers, and their supporting institutions share a special responsibility at this time for guarding and promoting the freedom of responsible scientific expression.

[This statement is considered in force until September 2013 unless superseded by a new statement issued by the AMS Council before this date.]


I am the first statement, and you have to uphold the second?

Because of policy even if I stumbled across something you would not tell me I have?

I understand.

It appears that some of this might be quoted from somewhere. It is not clear what is quoted and what are your own words. It is also generally good form to provide a source for any quotations.

Apart from that: what? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously

Synonymously with what? Fruit cocktail? Chronoclastic infundibulum?

And it goes downhill from there.

I am the first statement, and you have to uphold the second?

You (or the source you are quoting?) are "Earth sciences and their applications"?

Just: what?

I am the first quote, freedom of expression with no boundaries, where as science through Ams council, you have to surpass most ideas that do not conform with modern science.


Yes I have used some quotes and yes for further use I will quote the reference page.

Synonmously, no idea what that word means.

My point been Strange I am getting ridiculed for classic thinking mechanics, I think outside the box so I get ridiculed. Rather ironic as most of the thinkers e.g Einstein,

thought about things.

I have come on this forum to be abused for thinking.
I have been reported several times, just for thinking and having a freedom of
expression.
The people who are reporting me and been abusive, are denying me my freedom of expression.


Science is majorly based on expression, so don't you think it is rather ironic that I am not allowed to have my own thought's, ideas?

Originally Posted by theorist

I am the first quote, freedom of expression with no boundaries, where as science through Ams council, you have to surpass most ideas that do not conform with modern science.

I have no idea what that means. I have no idea what the "first quote" is as it is still not clear which bits you are quoting and which bits are your own words.

Here is a handy tip: English has these punctuation marks called "quotation marks". You can use them in this sort of context. For example: Strange said, "I have no idea what you are talking about."

The forum also has [QUOTE][/QUOTE] tags you can put around the material you are quoting.

Synonmously, no idea what that word means.

Then why did you use it?

My point been Strange I am getting ridiculed for classic thinking mechanics, I think outside the box so I get ridiculed.

You get ridiculed for making up meaningless nonsense based on your almost total lack of science. You then insist that, because you have picked up half a dozen random facts and buzzwords, that you "understand nuclear fusion". I admire your desire to learn, which is why I keep trying to learn. But in order to learn, you need to accept that you currently know almost nothing and understand even less. You do not have the basic grounding to start making stuff up and have it make sense, never have it taken mind taken seriously.

I admire your desire to learn but I despise you arrogance and preference for fantasy over learning.

Rather ironic as most of the thinkers e.g Einstein,

Don't be so fucking stupid. Einstein studied physics for years and published many papers in prestigious journals before coming up with novel ideas.

I have come on this forum to be abused for thinking.
I have been reported several times, just for thinking and having a freedom of expression.

If you spent more time thinking about the things you are told so you could begin to understand them and less time making up shit, then you might not get as much abuse. You deserve all the abuse you get, I'm afraid.

The people who are reporting me and been abusive, are denying me my freedom of expression.

Don't act like an idiot and you wont get abuse. "Freedom of expression" on a science forum does not mean the right to post any old crap that pops into your head and then insist you are some sort of genius.

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by theorist

I am the first quote, freedom of expression with no boundaries, where as science through Ams council, you have to surpass most ideas that do not conform with modern science.

I have no idea what that means. I have no idea what the "first quote" is as it is still not clear which bits you are quoting and which bits are your own words.

Here is a handy tip: English has these punctuation marks called "quotation marks". You can use them in this sort of context. For example: Strange said, "I have no idea what you are talking about."

The forum also has [QUOTE][/QUOTE] tags you can put around the material you are quoting.

Synonmously, no idea what that word means.

Then why did you use it?

My point been Strange I am getting ridiculed for classic thinking mechanics, I think outside the box so I get ridiculed.

You get ridiculed for making up meaningless nonsense based on your almost total lack of science. You then insist that, because you have picked up half a dozen random facts and buzzwords, that you "understand nuclear fusion". I admire your desire to learn, which is why I keep trying to learn. But in order to learn, you need to accept that you currently know almost nothing and understand even less. You do not have the basic grounding to start making stuff up and have it make sense, never have it taken mind taken seriously.

I admire your desire to learn but I despise you arrogance and preference for fantasy over learning.

Rather ironic as most of the thinkers e.g Einstein,

Don't be so fucking stupid. Einstein studied physics for years and published many papers in prestigious journals before coming up with novel ideas.

I have come on this forum to be abused for thinking.
I have been reported several times, just for thinking and having a freedom of expression.

If you spent more time thinking about the things you are told so you could begin to understand them and less time making up shit, then you might not get as much abuse. You deserve all the abuse you get, I'm afraid.

The people who are reporting me and been abusive, are denying me my freedom of expression.

Don't act like an idiot and you wont get abuse. "Freedom of expression" on a science forum does not mean the right to post any old crap that pops into your head and then insist you are some sort of genius.

Points taken Strange, and I thank you for your persistent in learning me. I do know I can rant at times.

I do think about the things I learn, but yes I do jump in feet first.

I have about 150 bookmarks now, and I do contrary to belief understand a lot of it, then say my thoughts on it and ask.

Ok, from now on I will try to not get my knickers in a twist as the saying goes.

I thank you.

For Theorist: remember that some people are marching not only to a different beat but to a different song.
Reading your original statement you want to understand but others want to cover up, hiding truths from you. But that is actually your perspective. In most cases they wouldn't know the truth if they tripped over it. They are looking at physics and science from a different view point. The math only view can hide a lot of truths and the nuclear physics attributes (up, down, color, strangeness, etc) is hiding a lot more. They can't help you. Read my book it's free in various places on the internet; it's only 15 pages but it is a whole different direction. "Physics of Subspace Geometry"

Originally Posted by davidAuthor

For Theorist: remember that some people are marching not only to a different beat but to a different song.
Reading your original statement you want to understand but others want to cover up, hiding truths from you. But that is actually your perspective. In most cases they wouldn't know the truth if they tripped over it. They are looking at physics and science from a different view point. The math only view can hide a lot of truths and the nuclear physics attributes (up, down, color, strangeness, etc) is hiding a lot more. They can't help you. Read my book it's free in various places on the internet; it's only 15 pages but it is a whole different direction. "Physics of Subspace Geometry"

Exactly, that is why none of the computer components, satellite systems, GPS systems and inter-solar missions never work.

Oh wait... all of that does work...

Nevermind, looks like you're delusional and fulla it.

Originally Posted by davidAuthor

For Theorist: remember that some people are marching not only to a different beat but to a different song.
Reading your original statement you want to understand but others want to cover up, hiding truths from you. But that is actually your perspective. In most cases they wouldn't know the truth if they tripped over it. They are looking at physics and science from a different view point. The math only view can hide a lot of truths and the nuclear physics attributes (up, down, color, strangeness, etc) is hiding a lot more. They can't help you. Read my book it's free in various places on the internet; it's only 15 pages but it is a whole different direction. "Physics of Subspace Geometry"

Oh-oh, another crank.

Originally Posted by PhDemon

More twattish nonsense from theorist. Strange is right you deserve the abuse you get, probably more but most peoples time is limited. Please do take on board the points in Strange's post, and I do not believe you understand a lot of what you have read because of the absolute crap you keep posting. Even a minimal understanding would surely prevent you regurgitating such drivel. As Strange said you really don't have enough knowledge to have original thoughts, your goal should be asking questions and, this is the important bit, taking on board the answers.

While I agree with your sentiments avoid vulgar statements such as "twattish nonsense." Consider yourself warned.
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theorist, we are tired of your drifting ignorant statements on the forum. We are all here at the pleasure and under the restrictions of the admin who owns this forum--freedom of expression in the general sense doesn't exit here. I'll echo PhDemon's advise: "your goal should be asking questions and, this is the important bit, taking on board the answers. " Please do so before you make yourself unwelcome here.

Am I correct in believing that you're upset that you can't get nonsense published in a scientific journal based upon the first amendment of the Constitution?

Originally Posted by davidAuthor

For Theorist: remember that some people are marching not only to a different beat but to a different song.

And some are completely out of tune. You for instance.

Read my book it's free in various places on the internet; it's only 15 pages but it is a whole different direction. "Physics of Subspace Geometry"

Read it. The "whole different direction" you talk about is, generally, off in the direction off in the direction of "utter crank" (and in places not only catching up with "utter crank" but overtaking it).
Congratulations, it's a while since I read anything so remarkably dumb.

My oh my, I say keep it coming, I laughed until I actually cried real tears, this stuff is comic brilliance. Actually there are potent hallucinogens that can produce this kind of delusion, lets not ignore that possibility.

Thanks for the tip, I'm off there already....

Oh dear, I just splurted a jet of rather nice riesling across my desk, and I've only read the first of theorists posts in pseudoscience, talk about laugh out loud. This is something I just have to share with my fb pals. Simply superb entertainment.

march to the tune of a different drummer
once(a long time ago) while in military training, near the end of a 10 mile stroll with full packs and rifles
I got my platoon to all hop along on their left legs while chanting
"go to your left, your left, your left"
silly" you say?
but we were the only platoon laughing and joking at the end of that hike

sometimes
a different drummer is exactly what we all need.