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    Does anyone know of any recognised theories that try to explain why we move constantly forward through time when we are free to travel through spatial dimensions at will?


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    How about the three dimensions of space are not the same kind of dimension as time and therefore they simply have different rules.


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    There is no difference between one coordinate and another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    There is no difference between one coordinate and another.
    yes there is time is different from space and therefor behave different, also the entropy can only go in one direction
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    Time is a dimension that we move through in the speed of light, whether it is short on our brane and mass is merely vibrating on it or not. The coordinate time is just as long as any of our room coordinate no matter what extension it has on our brane. All coordinates are equal in that they have a seemingly infinite length, and possibly that differs from its extension in our world. A coordinate seemingly is only a direction with length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    Time is a dimension that we move through in the speed of light, whether it is short on our brane and mass is merely vibrating on it or not. The coordinate time is just as long as any of our room coordinate no matter what extension it has on our brane. All coordinates are equal in that they have a seemingly infinite length, and possibly that differs from its extension in our world. A coordinate seemingly is only a direction with length.
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    Megabrain, dont take LeavingQuietly to serius, he is kinda hippie like, LeavingQuietly have you ever thought on instant of making things up thinking realistic how things?
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    Since momentum and mass is preserved at all times, all mass must move in the speed of light. Just because you didn't know don't make you smarter then other in this particular case. For your knowledge, they are not pumping any anesthetic into me. Most people by the way, have some sort of medication, and mine is a very popular one. I currently don't have any symptons and mostly, astronomy has very little to do with your physical health.

    That momentum is preserved in mass must be true, since else, there would be no force or photons, since particles that collide don't have any such. And momentum can't come from nothing. It must exist.

    That time is a coordinate was proven by Minkowski i think it was. It behaves just like any other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    For your knowledge, they are not pumping any anesthetic into me..
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    I think you need to get knurd to understand me.
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    Get knurd: A state where you understand the surrounding so much you beginn to cry and never want to get like that again. For more info, read Terry Pratchett's book i think is called black arts.
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    Whatever you say man, just one more thing, exactly what are you smoking?
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    All mass are photons and move in the speed of light.

    ???? eh. What on earth does that mean. Photons have a mass of zero, that's precisely why they can move at the speed of light. As for the idea that the universe is an expanding beam of light... what the Dickens. Lunacy.
    I just wanted to know why time travels forward.
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    LeavingQuietly,momentum is conserved but i think the momentum your after is 4-momentum. its complety different and its true but still there is differens between time and space
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    Quote Originally Posted by tilerdurden
    All mass are photons and move in the speed of light.

    ???? eh. What on earth does that mean. Photons have a mass of zero, that's precisely why they can move at the speed of light. As for the idea that the universe is an expanding beam of light... what the Dickens. Lunacy.
    I just wanted to know why time travels forward.
    Perfectly understandable to me, A guy is out late one night chasing moon-beams, when all of a sudden he gets hit by a truck, after which he writes down the things you see above!
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    tilerdurden, dont listen to LeavingQuietly perfectly, he is kinda hippie like sometimes
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    tilerdurden, dont listen to LeavingQuietly perfectly, he is kinda hippie like sometimes
    That is a 'kin classic coming from a nutter who thinks he's a borg, I'd have thought you two guys were in the same ward!
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    No, the photon has the momentum mc, m being the mass of the photon.
    The reason is that the dimensions have switched from time to length, and hence it still has a rest mass.

    The mass and momentum of the photon is not zero.

    p = h/lambda = mc.

    (lambda is wavelength, and this equation is accepted in schools, apply to all waves espe)

    Google: de Broglie.
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    I have a theory i came up while i was doing mz homework(yeah, cray but true) I came up with a theory (the dimension table) saying that there are(d=dimensions;S=space;T=time) 6space dimensions and 3time dimensions and another one of some sort(it didn´t appear logical to have 7 Sd´s or 4Td´s)

    ok now to what time is (according to the 10d theory):
    time is like space, and has 3 dimensions.Why can´t we move thoug timè??
    well theoretecally we we move constantly though time but we cant change it by will (i cant go to the 18hundreds forinctance).
    the reason why this is impossible is because time has no gravety so meaning no planets no nothing just a ... blob.
    but then the space dimensions?
    I was fiddeling with the idea of this beeing a wave in time (o dunno what its waving matter or the Td itself)

    Im pretty sure time is sort of like a wave because time and Sd are linked (if you change one theother is bent, forinctance by moving)but Its just some sort of theory i have written down while doin my home work so i dont expect much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
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    tilerdurden, dont listen to LeavingQuietly perfectly, he is kinda hippie like sometimes
    That is a 'kin classic coming from a nutter who thinks he's a borg, I'd have thought you two guys were in the same ward!
    in my case its a joke, a gimmick. i dont honestly think so its just to make me/other laugh

    No, the photon has the momentum mc, m being the mass of the photon.
    you fail there, photons dont have mass, HA HA HA

    The mass and momentum of the photon is not zero.
    mass is 0. but momentum isnt 0

    as i said, hippie

    miomaz, time dimension feel the effect of gravity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    miomaz, time dimension feel the effect of gravity
    what do you mean?
    gravety effects time, so meaning? I beleve this to be wrong(not prooven)
    (if otherwise please proove me wrong)

    also me saying time has no gravety, is incorrectly formulated:
    gravety dosnt take affect on time, while are visable universe is moving as a wave though time.
    Im not shure but i think some people have a (unprooven) theory about the universe to be nothing else but a wave eventhough this would cause problems with the string theory.

    famous 2d flatlander example(line):

    this shows an example of how to show a flatlander what a 3d object would be, without using math or shadows, since all d. hang to gether and effect eachother in different ways and build up on eachother in a certain structure.

    from the red qube to the rim of the black qube other qube steps exists forming a line of qubes.
    this is showing a 5d shadow csting a smaller qube inside the qube.
    it is very easy to understand if you compare it to the flatlander example.
    it is also very easy to mesure a 5d object.
    proportional to the size of the BQ(blackqube)[x30*y30*z30]
    and the size of the RQ(redqube)[x15*y15*z15] this would be half the size of the RQ and there for mean 50% of 30 (15)
    the lengh of the fourth axe, calling it a (for example) this would make it to a x30y30z30a15 big 5dimensional object.
    this prooves the structure of the dimensions and can also mean that time can have multiple axis(3)
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    gravety effects time, so meaning? I beleve this to be wrong(not prooven)
    (if otherwise please proove me wrong)
    yes it gravIty effects time and yes it has been proven. the GPS system is proving it right all the time. If they didnt account for the time differensial GPS system wouldnt be as exact as it is
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    a question to gravety affecting time
    how does it effect time?
    do you mean that if an object in space has a certain weight, this will affect time, slowing it down or speeding it up.
    can a see a text about it a website? im curious, thanks.
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    also, dimensions are nothing but defenition.

    what is 1d?
    in the 1d universe there is there and not there.
    the first d could also be time cince without it, objects would not exist, if not using the first (time) dimension.
    cince all visable things are bound to time, it seems that time would be the first d.


    if time did not have gravety it would be possible for an object to go to any kind of point on the time achse.
    this makes it impossible for time not to have gravety.
    the universe is "falling" though a sort of space, causing a sort of time, meanig that time is like space, just that the whole universe(not including the Td's)is falling though time(theoretically), so no object could just stand still in time.

    bending time is this why because the "fall" though time is slower than the others,and puts you also on a other coordinate in time(eventhough very little)

    a little biology why we are not able to see into the future:
    time is expierienced as a stream, because we as lifeforms, didn't have the need for a view in the future, cince time dilation is to minimal, occured on earth.Also seeing further into the future than time dilated beeings is mipossible since the objects are falling and not in future, already existed.
    It is also impossible to time travel(you can do it but the rest of the universe will not come with)

    allitle off topic, but i just came up with this!!! and it propves why timetravel is impossible
    I have written this in a other topic. Came up with this theory with Time having gravety and it makes perfectly sence, showing why timetravel is impossible, and what a time dilation is.
    eventough i couldnt express myself completely because of my bad english
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    Quote Originally Posted by miomaz
    a question to gravety affecting time
    how does it effect time?
    do you mean that if an object in space has a certain weight, this will affect time, slowing it down or speeding it up.
    can a see a text about it a website? im curious, thanks.
    gravity*
    space and time is joined into a spacetime. spacetime is bent by the pressent of matter, wich gives the feeling of gravity. since time is a part of it gravity effects time, slowing it down, for you it might take like 20s to fall thou a blackhole while on the outside it takes almost a eternity

    its commonly known that time is effected by gravity wich has been proven everyday
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    very interresting. It supports my theory actually.(qhitch i never would of thought)

    how would you suppose why time "flows", why it moves.
    Is my theory possible or does somthing like this already exist?

    also i have thought about my theory yesterday and have conluded,
    why we cannot (exept light) speed up an object over the speed of light.
    if every thing is acctually beeing pulled down time, the speed of light would cancel time gravety, so meaning the object would freeze in time standing on a certain point. why would this be impossible?
    while falling we can break the fall but not reverse the fall, it would be like reversing time-gravety itself.

    time falling example:
    *is ofcourse guessed, and random objects*

    *the 0,000001ms is defenitly wrong and should be seen as a example*
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    how would you suppose why time "flows", why it moves.
    becuase things goes from order to disorder.

    i have no idea what youre talking about, please take it again. also just for your help, unlike the others, its spelled gravity with a "i" not "e"
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    no?Yes, i have problems with expressing myself(becasue of my bad english) but i dont think you dint understand it because of that.

    atleast you din't ignore my post.

    why is time what it is why is time not normal space.
    this was my question.
    Mostprobaly you have read books about this?(c'mon, its not that complicated)

    order: a pattern.
    disorder: a not existing pattern of "things"(or the absence of a pattern)

    this may be true that "things go form order to disorder ,but its not time its what happenes though time.
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    why is time what it is why is time not normal space.
    becuase if it werent everything would happen at once and nothing would happen afterwards. if it wasent like it is we wouldnt stand here asking why it is like it is
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    I din't ask you why time exists. (if it dint we would not exist, like you said)
    I have asked you what time is as you see it. How do you define time as a certain space? As what, that was my question.
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    Mass is energy, that is why the equal sign, not the equivalent sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    Mass is energy, that is why the equal sign, not the equivalent sign.
    was that meant to me or to somebody else?

    has no one analyised my theory?
    Im rewriting it now, more understandable (and longer...) Ill mostprobaly post it tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miomaz
    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    Mass is energy, that is why the equal sign, not the equivalent sign.
    was that meant to me or to somebody else?

    has no one analyised my theory?
    Im rewriting it now, more understandable (and longer...) Ill mostprobaly post it tomorrow.
    I don't know if anybody understood your theory.
    If you are going to re-write it, do it in short posts, so we can discuss it point by point, if it must be long then at least summarize it, like a real report, not some llong winded affair, any more than about 12 lines and my brain will hurt.
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    It is not a theory, the equal sign tells us not a proportionality, but that both sides are equall.
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    the improved time thory,
    if you think/know what I mean and can correct it, please do.


    if time had no gravety it would be possible for an object to go to any kind of point on the time axe(<--spelling).

    This shows that time could have a certain gravety.

    the the contence of the universe is "falling" though a space dimension which has other rules than that of our 4dimensions. this falling is caused by
    the pull of gravety in time-space.


    the whole universe mass and energy is falling though time (theoretically),

    when you bend time, while moving at a certain speed (alittle under speed of light)
    you're fall though time slowes down meaning in time you "slow down" while everything else moves foward in time.

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    to imagine this think of dots falling down from the sky out of 10000 meters whitout wind.
    the sky is time.

    every point falling down shows the point of matter and energy (light and so on).

    if a matter peace reaches light speed (not by falling down but moving in pace dimension)
    the matter becomes lighter in the time dimension, and slows down.
    imagen the point to slow down and all other points to pass this object.
    this explains relativety like in space.
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    a little biology why we are not able to see into the future:
    time is expierienced as a stream, because we as lifeforms, didn't have the need for a view in the future.
    Time dilation is to minimal, to be a threat for us and the beeings on this planet.
    Also seeing further into the future than time dilated beeings is impossible,
    since the objects are falling they havent yet existed in the future.

    It is also impossible to time travel
    if you go into the past you will have to become lighter in time making you seeming ly stop in the middle of time.
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    Miomaz, is English your first language? I read the post through about three times, but still cannot grasp it. I do agree that 'reverse' time travel is impossible though.

    Time appears to flow in a single direction, but if it suddenly went backwards we would not know about it, suppose it goes forward 1 week then comes back to now. In going forward you might on the third day suffer some injury and go to hospital, when it later 'comes back' to now the injury would be undone. If time sped up and slowed down we would not know about that either as everything else would speed up and slow down the clocks might tick twice as fast but light would travel twice as fast so to us it would still appear at the same speed. I don't say that these things do happen, nor do I beleive they might, the point is we do not actually know whether we are going forward or backward in time. It could be the the universe is actually shrinking and dissappearing it just seems to us to be going the other way.
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    Miomaz, is English your first language
    no i learn it in school
    explain the cause of time. The only explenation for this is that there is a force that will pull you though time.

    seeing time as an axe (you are at a point in time) you will see that you cannot exist 2 times in the timeline disprooving that time can repeart.

    Im still trying to make my text understandable, but im shure you would agree with me if you would understad the theory.
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    seeing time as an axe (you are at a point in time) you will see that you cannot exist 2 times in the timeline disprooving that time can repeart.
    time doesn't repeat just as space cannot repeat.
    One can return to a certain point (theoretically) but it doesn't acctually repeat.

    still working on my theory explenation. finito

    Time theory
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    If time had no gravity-direction it would be possible for an object to go to any kind of point on the time axis.

    This shows that time could have a certain gravity.
    So that if time had a direction (a starting point), then it follows that time has a force which gave it a direction.

    The content of the universe is "falling" though space dimension which has other rules than that of our 4d’s.
    All things (things as in: matter; radiation; magnetic; radiation; ect.) are defined to a point in space
    This falling is caused by the pull of gravity in time-space.


    The whole universe mass and energy is falling though time (theoretically),
    When you bend time, while moving at a certain speed (a little under speed of light)
    You’re fall though time slows down meaning in time you "slow down" while everything else moves forward in time.

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    To imagine this think of dots falling down from the sky.
    The sky is time.

    Every point falling down shows the point of matter and energy (light and so on).

    If matter reaches a high speed (moving in space)
    The matter becomes lighter in the Td, (and seemingly slows down).
    Imagen the point to slow down and all other points to pass this object.
    This explains relativity of time, comparable with Sd
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    A little biology why we are not able to see into the future:
    Time is experienced as a stream, because we as life forms, didn't have the need for a view in the future, since
    Time dilation is to minimal, occurred on earth. Also seeing further into the future than time dilated beings is impossible
    Since the objects are falling and not in future, already existed.
    It is also impossible to time travel (you can do it but the rest of the universe will not come with)

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    Td=time dimension
    Sd=Space dimension
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    Ok, I believe in the oscillatory universe theory.

    If this was true, would it not also be possible (if gravity affects time) for the big crunch to also suck in time, as well as all energy, mass and space, only to go bang again.

    Therefor could time repeat itself ?

    If not, then when the universe contracted time would be left behind, but how would it exist ?
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    tilerdurden I will attempt to answer this question as simply as I can... This is how I think of it as cmpared to any other dimnson.

    Befor a baby can crawl it sits on the floor and can't go anywhere. It wants to move forward but it can't. Does this mean it is not possible for matter to move forward? no.

    There are 3 dimensions, x, y, z. Each dimension has two directions.

    Space dimensions:
    x-axis - left and right
    y-axis - up and down
    z-axix - forward and backward

    Time dimensions:
    x-axis - left and right DOES NOT EXIST
    y-axis - up and down DOES NOT EXIST
    z-axix - forward and backward

    So this leaves us with 3 spacial dimensions and 1 tim dimension.
    Now how do you move through the spacial dimensions? Well, you can walk, or crawl or fly on an asteroid. What do all these have in common? Motion! motion moves you through spacial dimensions.

    So what moves us through our time dimension? Well, lets try motion again. We know that by moving faster time slows down for you, is this not controlling your motion down the time dimension? Yes it is! We can move however we want along this dimension but it is a matter of unlocking the knowledge and power as a baby learns to crawl and can finally move forward.
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    If you don't understand how time can be just as long as length, then you didn't understand one bit of lengthcontraction in school, did you? Only a fool would state that time has no length. I'm not here to argue with fools.

    And that is not directed to previous post.
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    I would guess this would be down to our limitation of only experiencing time in one direction. time is linear. time is created by motion and its not a spacial dimension, its a linear one so dicrection of travel is fixed. the arrow of time points only in one direction. There is of course the POSSIBILITY that if gravity wins the day in the end and we all end up in a big crunch (which i believe wont happen) but IF it does......then there is a SLIGHT possibility that time will reverse direction. (but even then, i think it wont)
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    If you don't understand how time can be just as long as length, then you didn't understand one bit of lengthcontraction in school, did you? Only a fool would state that time has no length. I'm not here to argue with fools.

    And that is not directed to previous post.
    Me ?
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    I would guess this would be down to our limitation of only experiencing time in one direction. time is linear.
    we experience time in one direction but this dosn't mean that we travel straight, just like light and the rest of the universe.


    time is created by motion and its not a spacial dimension, its a linear one so dicrection of travel is fixed.
    Time is like a spacial dimension. Objects move "linear"(as we expierience it)
    in 3d time.
    What makes time "time", I beleve time to have other gravety rules than normal space.

    the arrow of time points only in one direction.
    also not true[proven] there is a high possibility that time isn't linear but curves. If you read my theory, you will know that this dosn't matter.

    There is of course the POSSIBILITY that if gravity wins the day in the end and we all end up in a big crunch (which i believe wont happen)
    acctually this "possibility" is quite high. Nor has it been proven that it will or will not happen.


    but IF it does......then there is a SLIGHT possibility that time will reverse direction. (but even then, i think it wont)
    what makes you think time reverses it's direction at the end of time?

    Everything what you wrote, I can read in books, what I already have.
    It is not in my interrest reread what I already know or what the most people know in this forum.
    I haven't come to fight my word, but to find the truth.
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