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    So ive been having this idea kick around in my head for a while, about being able to disable a gunman or his weapon by generating the resonant frequency of his gun causing it to fail or maybe vibrate out of his control. That or maybe interrupting the chemical reaction of gunpowder or something. This wouldnt be a weapon per se but something installed in the infrastucture of a building kind of like a sprinkler system. Pull this lever for fire, that lever for gunman or whatnot. Any thoughts on feasibility? Obviously the system would have to figure out what weapon the gunman was carrying, maybe by using a vision system, it could take measurements of the different components of the gun and generate the right frequency to disable it?


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    Not very. The vast majority of firearms are very simple mechanical and chemical explosives. No way to jam or counter outside the weapon.

    There's been various test on weapons that recognize their owners by biometrics or an electronic keypad or something similar -a so called smart gun technology. That type of weapons could probably be disabled with a TASER. The technology isn't developed yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jrwagner89 View Post
    So ive been having this idea kick around in my head for a while, about being able to disable a gunman or his weapon by generating the resonant frequency of his gun causing it to fail or maybe vibrate out of his control. That or maybe interrupting the chemical reaction of gunpowder or something. This wouldnt be a weapon per se but something installed in the infrastucture of a building kind of like a sprinkler system. Pull this lever for fire, that lever for gunman or whatnot. Any thoughts on feasibility? Obviously the system would have to figure out what weapon the gunman was carrying, maybe by using a vision system, it could take measurements of the different components of the gun and generate the right frequency to disable it?
    You have to take into consideration the effect the sound has on people and structures in the area. If the sound causes the liver of a person standing nearby to rupture then you wouldn't want it. Think if it a bit -what would happen to ones eyeballs? Its one thing to disable a gunman. Its quite another thing to make his eyeball explode. As strange as this may seem, all weapons must be humane.
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    I think that a metal detector installed outside of the entries with control over the door locks and bullitproof glass would be more effective. This is technology that is available now and affordable. For the short term this could work. In the end persons meaning to do harm can never be contained. Every person has a dark side and gun are not the only wepon on the planet.
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    There's always a way to defeat any system that you install inside of a building. Even if something could be developed the gunman could always just wait until whoever they were after went outside like the gunman did in Europe when he went to the camp for kids and killed many there. So no matter what is ever made there's always a way to work around it. That or only those with enough money can buy such systems then all the others would be in harms way. Until we can find ways to help those people who want to kill others by working with them will there be any good solutions to resolving this dilema. Taking away weapons only will cause those wanting to harm others find alternative ways in doing so. There's many weapons available that can kill others so it isn't the weapon to work with , it is the individual. If there were ways that people could get help, if they felt they were going to harm others,and not be put in jail will change happen.
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    Here, here CT I agree 100%. We need to Improve ourselves first. The strange thing is antagonist can be found everywhere. In school It's the bully making fun of the week. In collage It's the insecure making fun of the nerds. In the work force It's the little man complex against the over achiever and even in some forums we watch arguments develope into nasty insult hurreling combat zones. Yes we need to work on ourselves first then those that ask and finally the ones that can't ask out of fear.
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    If you get that figured out. I can see a lot of defense money going your way. Forget about the crazy guy with a gun. Let's disable an army.
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    It seems a rather unlikely prospect. Assuming a given firearm's resonance frequency was known and a device existed to make use of that to disable the weapon, I don't believe that the effect would be fast enough to be completely effective. Think about the Tacoma narrows bridge: even once resonance initiated, the failure of the structure was not immediate. A person with a gun would likely be able to fire off a number of rounds before the weapon succumbed to the proposed countermeasure. In such a situation, authorities would likely prefer to neutralize the target as quickly as possible.Feasible? Probably not. If it were, it would have no greater advantage in stopping the shooter than a well trained sniper or skilled negotiator. It's an interesting idea though, you may want to branch out your thinking and apply the concepts to other situations or scenarios. m not a physics or engineering expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
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    It was rumered that Tesla was working on a resinator. Combined with a frequincy scaner it could work in theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abstract View Post
    It was rumered that Tesla was working on a resinator. Combined with a frequincy scaner it could work in theory.
    Telsa is one of those pseudoscience flag words. Please keep Tesla out of this thread unless you have something hard, such a good reference, to back it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrwagner89 View Post
    So ive been having this idea kick around in my head for a while, about being able to disable a gunman or his weapon by generating the resonant frequency of his gun causing it to fail or maybe vibrate out of his control. That or maybe interrupting the chemical reaction of gunpowder or something. This wouldnt be a weapon per se but something installed in the infrastucture of a building kind of like a sprinkler system. Pull this lever for fire, that lever for gunman or whatnot. Any thoughts on feasibility? Obviously the system would have to figure out what weapon the gunman was carrying, maybe by using a vision system, it could take measurements of the different components of the gun and generate the right frequency to disable it?
    And how exactly would having the resonant frequency of the weapon be any good? It's being carried by a human/ held in the hand: that affects the frequency required in numerous ways.
    The same way that holiding a wine glass will alter its resonant frequency. Is it held/ touched by one finger? Two? The entire hand?

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    Also...considering that firearms are specifically designed to withstand massive amounts of shock when they fire, it would take a boatload of energy to cause a failure in any of the key components. You'd pretty much have to kill everyone in the room to do anything to the gun. Even the shockwave of a high explosive might not do anything to the weapon.
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    Despite all the "nay-saying", at least someone is giving thought to the question of curtailing illegal use of firearms, other than attempting to keep the law-abiding from having them, eh?

    Give them a break for that. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Despite all the "nay-saying", at least someone is giving thought to the question of curtailing illegal use of firearms, other than attempting to keep the law-abiding from having them, eh?

    Give them a break for that. jocular
    We are...but this is a science forum..so we are just pointing out the feasibly issues with the OP idea.
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