1. According to mathamatics, everything has a mathamatical value. What would be the consequences for the universe if this value was zero. Not sure if I've asked this question correctly but hope it makes sense to the theoretical mathmaticians

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3. Originally Posted by Neville Lucas
[FONT=times new roman][SIZE=4]According to mathamatics, everything has a mathamatical value. What would be the consequences for the universe if this value was zero.

I don't think everything has a value. The Earth doesn't have a value, but certain properties of the earth do: it has a mass and a radius. If these were zero it would mean the Earth didn't exist. I suppose the same is true of the universe.

But some things can never be zero. The value of Pi is always 3.141592...

But maybe I have missed your point?

4. or maybe you are right on point not everything could be said to have a mathematical value.but everything could be attributed to a mathematical value.of course there will be no zero value.unless you are talking of nothing that is something.something like a ghost or wind,ideas,etc.do these things have shape?no they do not.so you cannot give a mathematical value to it.if you agree with me,then the earth has a value due to its shape.but the entier value of the universe i can't tell.since i do not know the shape.

5. alcohol as a lot to answer for at times

6. Do not drink and post

7. drinking really helps at times,you start telling ppl that they are brain damaged during arguments,while you are the one who is brain dead,and diagnosis was ran,they found 70% of alcoho in your system.

8. Got a little blood in your alcohol stream, eh?

9. Originally Posted by Neville Lucas
\ What would be the consequences for the universe if this value was zero.
There wouldn't be any mathematicians to compute it.

10. Originally Posted by Wintermute
Originally Posted by Neville Lucas
\ What would be the consequences for the universe if this value was zero.
There wouldn't be any mathematicians to compute it.
theoreticaly

11. Get it man there will be nothing to compute no theory.atleast base on our science and mathematics. This will be a new science.we wo'nt be we like this your laptop wo'nt look like that.what am i saying there will be nothing to look at.unless we are also zero value humans

12. Zero? Like any other value this can be arrived at by multitudes of combinations. Look at money. The impoverished pensioner who owns no assets and owes no money has a financial net worth of zero. The apparently wealthy resident of a wealthy looking suburb can own an eight roomed house with a swimming pool, a couple of cars and a boat, a dressing room full of designer clothes and electronic gadgets in every room of the house - and owe so much in mortgages and loans that their financial net worth is also zero.

Two calculations with a zero result - but they're describing two different systems. One equation has large numbers performing opposite functions - which in life terms we might think of as abundance. The other has zeroes all the way through. A bit like the differences between some ecosystems. In one there's too much happening to take it all in. In another it seems deserted until you pay careful attention to details that first escaped your notice. Either way it takes time and effort to see what's really happening.

13. am i missing you,or you missing the thread! zero value for the universe is what we talking about not everyday arithmetic.the thing is this if earth has no shape and earth is like a ghost which as no observable effect on the solar system.how then do you attribute a value to it? there will be no mathematical value.................................buh even tornado will have a value,cos it has a shape,some kind of fractal shape,and it has an observable effect.......but if the earth is a ghost planet like i stated above,then there is no value to it.

14. zero value for the universe is what we talking about not everyday arithmetic.
So you're talking about zero events or matter rather than a 'value' which might be arrived at by complex physics calculations (or even simple arithmetic). Not a value at all? Just the concept of nothing or non existence? But then we look at ....

what am i saying there will be nothing to look at. unless we are also zero value humans
So humans which are part of the biosphere of a planet relying on a solar system, which itself is a very small part of the universe, can exist with a nil/zero/zilch value solar system driving our ecosystem despite there being "nothing to look at", nothing to drive the processes that move the sun or even the meteors? Halley's comet?

Zero value humans perplexes me. Would such a concept actually result in 'human' as the word is currently used?

15. This is merely a philosophical and theoretical question, not a purely scientific one. The question in it's pure sense is meaningless

16. how can you say its meaningless when we just ascribed a meaning to it?

17. its meaningless in a scientific context as no-one knows the answer. I dont remember ascribing a meaning to it. what if it's value was zero

18. I ascribed a meaning to the zero value of anything in my 1st post...something zero value mus have to do with a ghost,ideas feelings.things that are none physical...and if so everything in the universe has a value which is not zero...if the thing is physical or has physical implication,there can be a value to it.

19. but what if that value was zero

20. Then there is no implication...we rate intelligence using IQ.buh the intelligence is something abstract.there cannot be a value to the intelligence itself.only the implication. And the implication is the person can identify the result of outcomes,group sequences,look for divisor to numbers...etc.

21. ah but what
if the value of it was zero

22. If it is zero then there is no intelligence of any sort...if intelligence implies IQ and IQ is zero.then it means there is no intelligence.

23. So, it has zero meaning.

24. Originally Posted by SpeedFreek
So, it has zero meaning.
yeah,if it is viewed from the implication...or the entird thing even.

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