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    Hi, I was wondering why so many people claim to have seen UFO and some with extraterrestrial life, but with out any hard proof, so I began to theorize.
    In my study's I have been taught that humans are at there peek of our intelligence that our physical body's can sustain, in order for us to become more intelligent our physical body must change to supply more energy to fuel more intelligence as intelligence costs energy, that's why humans look very different to what we used to look 200.000 years ago.
    in say 1million years the humans would look " alien " to what we look like now, technology would be so advance time travel would be a reality, we allready know that time travel is possible, could these sightings be advance'd alien looking humans from the future revisiting time to find out more about there species ? the real question is, if "you" could briefly go back in time 200,000 years ago, would you ? ofcorse you would, and yes you would seem alien to the people back then. what do you think ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan123 View Post
    could these sightings be advance'd alien looking humans from the future revisiting time to find out more about there species
    They could be. Or they could be invisible unicorns in fancy dress. As there is zero evidence for them, beyond people's imagination, you can invent any explanation you want.


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    your answer was invalid and did not help at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan123 View Post
    Hi, I was wondering why so many people claim to have seen UFO and some with extraterrestrial life, but with out any hard proof, so I began to theorize.
    Most UFO sightings can be attributed to misidentification of common phenomena, such as planes (including secret government projects), meteorites, balloons, Venus, flares, helicopters, not mention the possibility of hoaxes, liars and hallucinations. Those who calim to have seen aliens or to have conversed with them or been captured by them are most likely suffering mental abberations.

    All of the foregoing points have been welle stablished by diverse, well validated research. So, I don't think an alternative explanation is necessary. However, you have proposed one, so let us look at it in more detail:

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    In my study's I have been taught that humans are at there peek of our intelligence that our physical body's can sustain, in order for us to become more intelligent our physical body must change to supply more energy to fuel more intelligence as intelligence costs energy, that's why humans look very different to what we used to look 200.000 years ago.
    There is some evidence that intelligence - based on average skull capacity - may have reduced over the last 10,000 - 15,000 years. This would be consistent with the suggestion that humans have self-domesticated themselves.

    Humans from 200,000 years ago, with a shave and Saville Row suit could walk through any shopping mall and attract no attention.

    There is also no particular evidence to suggest that greater intelligence would be selected for. (Equally no evidence to say it wouldn't be.)

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    in say 1million years the humans would look " alien " to what we look like now, technology would be so advance time travel would be a reality, we allready know that time travel is possible,
    Not true. Apparently relativity theory does allow for "closed timelike curves". This does not ensure time travel is possible, only that under certain circumstances it is not impossible. However, these circumstances are very restrictive.

    I see you have described Strange's post as invalid. This is likely not the case. Strange is pointing out that in the absence of reliable evidence for aliens any explanation for them is highly speculative and unscientific. It is good to exercise the imagination, but we need to be carefull we don start believing in our speculations to readily.
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    But there are so many claims they can not just go ignored, well forget 200.000 years ago and go back 500,000 years ago, if you arrived back in time with a harrier jump jet and suit like an astronauts, you would look alien, so we would look very different in 1 million years time, they to would seem alien.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan123 View Post
    But there are so many claims they can not just go ignored
    They are not ignored. The vast majority turn out to have boring mundane explanations. A small percentage (10% maybe) are left as unknown. That is basically because there is just not enough information to come to any conclusion. But as the other 90% came down to ordinary explanations, it seem quite reasonable to assume the same is true of these.

    And it's not even as if the unexplained ones have anything in common. They all describe different things.

    Your idea is great, and has been used by a number of science fiction writers.
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    I am not ignoring the claims, nor have thay been ignored by many of the serious investigators who have studied them. Having studied them the conclusion is that the vast majority of them can be very easily explained along the lines I noted in my earlier post. There is a small residual of claims that are unexplained. That will be true of any phenomenom we study.

    I suspect that some of these observations may be of hitherto unrecognised natural phenomena, akin - for example - to ball lightning. If we are being visited by aliens, or time travellers, then a tiny percentage of these residual claims may actually be sightings of them, but not the one that report 'alien' appearances.
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    Used this in a Bigfoot thread once . Just a couple modifications....no disrespect to Francis ChurchPlease insert the words "Time Traveler" where there's a blank.

    THE GENERIC BELIEF DECLARATION FORM

    Friends, those who insist that a _________ does not exist are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

    Yes, there is a ________. It exists as certainly as thoughts and ideas and imagination exist. Alas! How dreary would the world be if there was no ________. It would be as dreary as if there were no believers. There would be no childlike faith, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which believers fill the world would be extinguished.

    Not believe in ________! You might as well not believe in fairies. If you do not witness a Griffin fly or a dragon breathe fire, what would that prove? The things that are most real are those which we cannot see or think we see. Not seeing a ________ is no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in this world.

    There is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love, romance can push aside that curtain and view the beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? In all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

    No _________? It lives and it lives forever. A 1000 years from now or 10,000 years from now, _______ will continue to make glad the hearts of believers.

    ________ is real. I will fight that to the death. If you're wondering why I care.....just consider me a lover of all things uncertain... an apparition... a believer.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    I'm not sure what to make of it all, some have claimed to have seen them up close such as the Varghina incident. It would be interesting to investigate but there is no way to that's the problem.
    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe". - Carl Sagan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantime View Post
    I'm not sure what to make of it all, some have claimed to have seen them up close such as the Varghina incident. It would be interesting to investigate but there is no way to that's the problem.
    In an ironic twist, there appears to be a need for time travellers.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan123 View Post
    But there are so many claims they can not just go ignored, ...
    as others have pointed out, many claims have been investigated, and the ones that could not be attributed to misidentification just don't have enough substance to draw any conclusion
    there definitely is not a single verified account that on closer scrutiny turns out to be a positive identification of an alien spacecraft

    there always will be unexplained observations, but mostly because there's just not enough to go on to make any further verifications
    and don't underestimate the power of expectation to trump or guide observation
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    I believe I have given this example previously on the forum. A couple of years ago I attended a Scotland - South Africa friendly football match. At one point a Scots striker scored from a well executed shot inside the penalty box. I saw him as he approaced the goal look from ball to goal, back to ball then strike. I commented on his action to my son, remarking that although the defenders were clsoing in he took that time to ensure perfect alignment.

    When I got home I watched the highlights of the match on televsion. I saw that event from multiple angles. At no time did his eyes waver from the goal. I imagined what I thought I saw. Now this was in a brilliantly lit stadium, where I was placed less than sixty feet from the player. So, I ask you ryan123, if my own eyewitness testimony cannot be trusted for what possibel reason would I trust someone elses when they are describing something whose existence is disputed and that they are seeing under difficult conditions?
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    Pertinent point; would I choose to come back to this point especially? No; but while I'm time surfing, I might want to check out the horror's of screen slavery.
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