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Thread: Black Hole in the centre of the earth to swallow earth on December 21st 2012 Hoax or no?

  1. #1 Black Hole in the centre of the earth to swallow earth on December 21st 2012 Hoax or no? 
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    A recent site I have come across tells the story about how the Large Hadron Collider created a mini black hole which now lies dormant in the centre of the earth. According to the site the black hole will pass a threshold and a number of days after it will swallow earth whole on the date above. This sounds like something an alarmist would say, but I know nothing about the situation that is being noted in the site.

    The site which talks about the black hole is here: Earth is Being Destroyed | The Earth will Disappear on December 21, 2012!


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    Absolute, undiluted, claptrap. Don't pay any further attention to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seregate View Post
    it will swallow earth whole on the date above
    lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Absolute, undiluted, claptrap. Don't pay any further attention to it.
    ^^ What he said. ^^
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    A lot of disagreement to the theory. I am guessing the black hole that is being noted does not exist at all :P
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    Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Nope.
    Oh, so it is entirely true?
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    KALSTER was confirming that the answer is no, the black hole does not exist at all.

    The same theories that predict that a microscopic black hole might form in the LHC at CERN also predict that those black holes would be so unstable that they would evaporate almost instantly, and even the author of that doomsaying website knows that the chances of that microscopic black hole interacting with another particle before it evaporates are so small as to be almost non-existent, as he admits it would take quite a long time for the black hole to meet another particle.

    The author completely leaves out the fact that the black hole would vanish in an instant, before it could do any damage, according to the same theory that predicts its fleeting existence in the first place. And even if there was the hypothetical possibility that we could create a stable microscopic black hole in the LHC, it wouldn't be a problem.

    The reason is this:

    There is nothing special about the Large Hadron Collider, when compared to the universe itself. We are regularly bombarded here on Earth by cosmic rays with higher energies than the ones we create in the LHC. Particle collisions like those that occur in the LHC are happening all over the universe, all the time. All we are trying to do is recreate them in laboratory conditions.

    If there was the possibility that high energy particle collisions could cause dangerous mini black holes that would be a threat to the Earth, then this would be going on all the time across the universe due to cosmic ray collisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    KALSTER was confirming that the answer is no, the black hole does not exist at all.

    The same theories that predict that a microscopic black hole might form in the LHC at CERN also predict that those black holes would be so unstable that they would evaporate almost instantly, and even the author of that doomsaying website knows that the chances of that microscopic black hole interacting with another particle before it evaporates are so small as to be almost non-existent, as he admits it would take quite a long time for the black hole to meet another particle.

    The author completely leaves out the fact that the black hole would vanish in an instant, before it could do any damage, according to the same theory that predicts its fleeting existence in the first place. And even if there was the hypothetical possibility that we could create a stable microscopic black hole in the LHC, it wouldn't be a problem.

    The reason is this:

    There is nothing special about the Large Hadron Collider, when compared to the universe itself. We are regularly bombarded here on Earth by cosmic rays with higher energies than the ones we create in the LHC. Particle collisions like those that occur in the LHC are happening all over the universe, all the time. All we are trying to do is recreate them in laboratory conditions.

    If there was the possibility that high energy particle collisions could cause dangerous mini black holes that would be a threat to the Earth, then this would be going on all the time across the universe due to cosmic ray collisions.

    See here for more information:
    The safety of the LHC
    Thanks for the information and apologies for the thread.

    There is one thing that confuses me about the sight and that is the status thing they seem to have on the left with regards this black hole they are talking about.

    Today's Date:
    September 10, 2012
    Mass of Black Hole:
    46.08 micrograms
    Compare to:
    grain of sand
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    He's making it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    He's making it up.
    You're right too possibly.

    An email was sent to the owner of the website and this was the reply with regards the monitoring of the black hole.


    No, we're not monitoring the black hole. The estimate of its mass as
    shown on our Web site each day is based on calculations which we ran
    when we first realized what was going on back in 2009. The calculations
    were based on the probabilities of interactions of a Planck-mass black
    hole with electrons (and the much smaller probabilities of interactions
    with atomic nuclei) within the liquid and plastic (semi-liquid) material
    within the earth.

    Once it left the wreckage of the LHC on September 19, 2008, the black
    hole has been beyond detection by any human instrumentation, and it will
    remain so until the earth begins to collapse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seregate View Post
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    He's making it up.
    You're right too possibly.
    No, definitely. He can have no way of knowing if a black hole was formed. In fact, everything says one wasn't formed. Like said previously, higher energy collisions happen in our upper atmosphere all the time and nothing ever comes of it. Why would a lower energy collision now suddenly create a black hole? Then also, there would be no way for him to predict a date the earth would collapse in any case. The whole site is just a bunch of nonsense, possibly an attempt at making fun of the gullible people that would believe what it says.

    Then, even if (which it wasn't) black hole was formed, it would not just suck the earth into it. A black hole the mass of a baseball, for instance, has just that, the mass of a baseball and can only have the amount of gravity attached to it equal to its mass. So, a black hole the mass of a baseball won't suck you in, no more than an actual baseball would suck you closer to it.

    Tell me, are you actually worried?
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    The other thing worth noting is that even if such a microscopic black were formed, it would have been travelling at close to the speed of light (conservation of momentum, etc) and so it would not be hanging around in the centre of the earth.

    Apart from that: it never happened. And if it had it wouldn't have interacted with any other particles. And it would have evaporated almost instantly.
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    Further evidence that this is total bollocks lies in the remarkable coincidence that the declared date for the destruction of the Earth coincides with the date the Mayan Calendar theorists have named for the end of the world. Really!
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    An infintecimally small black hole being created is an understatement. You'd have to compress Everest down to a nanometre to get a black hole so imagine a couple of particles how small that black hole would be. Secondly, the black hole would be so small that it would evaporate before it could even absorb ANYTHING. The black hole cannot stay 'dormant', it emits radiation and evaporates over time, the larger the black hole the longer it takes to evaporate, and also it needs constant fuel (matter) to endure.

    Finally there is no way a minature black hole can suddenly absorb all the matter that is the Earth in one day. It would be absorbing trillions and trillions and trillions times its own mass. Thats the equivalent of a black hole the size of the Sun absorbing galaxies in one day. Doesn't happen, anywhere. Ever

    Absolute shite.
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    Have you been away?
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    Absolute shite.
    Ha Ha
    That website was entertaining though
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    To answer your question Kastler I was genuinely worried about the black hole.
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    And now?
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    It was very entertaining! I can't believe once upon a time I used to believe that kind of bunk.

    I have been away John, I only genuinely return nowadays when I actually have science questions to ask or share
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    One thing that gets me about this whole thing is that even if they a leg to stand on(which they don't' for oh so many reasons), what exactly is the point of the web-site? They themselves state that nothing can be done to stop it or survive it, so wouldn't it have been better to keep their mouthes shut and let everyone live out the rest of their short existence in blissful ignorance? Or is it so important to these people that, with the world crumbling out from under their feet, they would be able to say "See, we told you so!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by seregate View Post
    An email was sent to the owner of the website and this was the reply with regards the monitoring of the black hole.

    Once it left the wreckage of the LHC on September 19, 2008, the black
    hole has been beyond detection by any human instrumentation, and it will
    remain so until the earth begins to collapse.
    "The wreckage of the LHC"?
    He makes it sound like the LHC was half destroyed or something! There was damage to some magnets and wiring, which took a little over a year to repair. Then they powered up again and starting performing the experiments that have led to the recent announcement that they have found evidence for the Higgs Boson!

    And yet on his website he says:

    On September 19, 2008, it broke. And they switched it off.
    And you haven't heard much about it since then, have you?
    Err, yes I have. We heard how they powered up to higher and higher energy levels, and then we heard how they were performing experiments. And now we have some results from two of those experiments!
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