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  1. #1 If it means nothing, then what? 
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    I am not promoting a conspiracy theory, as the context might imply. I am presenting several occurences of something I find peculiar and asking a few questions about it. If you think these occurences do or do not have any significance (coincidental? random? trending?), then feel free to tell why.

    I can only put so many images per post. So more to come later.

    1) Recurring instances of one eye presented in a noticeably prominent manner in media photos




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    I'm sure you've heard of Nicki Minaj (or not. )


    How about Justin Bieber? (No?)


    If you live in the US, tell me you haven't heard of Carrie Underwood.


    Cheryl Cole. This is an album cover I think.


    From Nelly Furtado's music video Big Hoops


    Robert Pattinson (That's right. The guy from Twilight)


    Same guy. This looks like a razor ad.


    Kristen Stewart (also from Twilight). A movie ad for the recent Snow White & The Huntsman


    Another ad photo from the same movie.


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    Do you feel this has some personal significance? (Ideas of reference and delusions of reference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Are you suggesting this is something new?

    Perhaps not. From the 1940s:
    veronica-lake-03.jpg

    From the 1970s
    132938d1266930393-funny-strange-random-pics-clockwork_orange_eye.jpg

    It is just a popular type of image - after all, the eyes are the "windows of the soul". (And the word window is derived from the Old Norse word for eye)
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    Cover Art for Rihanna's Single "Where Have You Been" (you must've heard of her)


    Lil Debbie (female rapper / former collaboration with the very popular Kreayshawn)


    Cheryl Cole again.


    A Raphaella Booz fashion ad.


    Read that this is a controversial editorial called Victim of Beauty
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    From the Vogue magazine for Korea.
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    Phew. *wipes off sweat* There are about two dozen or more so photos I have in collection but I think this is enough I just posted so many to emphasize how common these are. And these are all recent, within the past half year.

    As you can see, I've made links to the related persons and media sponsors for you to explore through if you'd like, for credible reference, and for fun I guess.

    But let's get more serious about this. I don't have to search the internet to find a photo of some pop artist covering his/her eye in a song's art cover. I've seen it a few times in iTunes. Once when I flipped to MTV and watched a music video. My mom loves to read fashion and pop magazines. I've seen this a couple of times in her magazines too. It's weird!

    What's up with this?! I'm wondering... It could be a fashion thing? Do famous people do this to show they're famous? Maybe just coincidental (doubtful due to numerousy) I've even ran into conspiracy theories relating this to the Illuminati! (yep. there's your crazy conspiracy)

    But I'm not so sure if this is Illuminatic. The idea behind that is that the elite are an occultic group of high-power individuals who try to convey their occultic symbolism to the mindless unself-sustainable public (for some reason. subliminal messaging to subconscious?) Something like that. What's really interesting to me is this symbolic messaging in general. This goes from crazy conspiracy to not-so-crazy theory.

    Maybe some wealthy and influential people have related their status to prolific symbols that they share. The infamous one dollar bill with the one eyed pyramid. It's money, so it's power. Maybe showing yourself with a one eye is proving your status as a significant being, one with money and power(?).

    The one eye is known as the Eye of Providence, and it's associated with Freemasonry. Guess who happens to be Freemasons? A lot of elite, powerful, wealthy, and influential people. Both historically and currently. For example, George Washington, Oscar Wilde, Aleister Crowley (famous historical occultist), Henry Clay (speaker for US House of Reps. currently), Simon Cowell, and Shaquiell O'Niel (yeah, the basketball player). Just look at the List of Freemasons and see how many promiment men are on that list. It is mainly a fratenity, so mainly men. But some movements have expanded to include women. I think it's sort of like an in-crowd for the wealthy elite (just my thinking).

    I don't see how someone can not find this peculiar and interesting. What are your thoughts and ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Do you feel this has some personal significance? (Ideas of reference and delusions of reference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Are you suggesting this is something new?

    Perhaps not. From the 1940s:
    veronica-lake-03.jpg

    From the 1970s
    132938d1266930393-funny-strange-random-pics-clockwork_orange_eye.jpg

    It is just a popular type of image - after all, the eyes are the "windows of the soul". (And the word window is derived from the Old Norse word for eye)
    Do I think it's new? That depends. If these occurrences do have some significance, then I don't know. They could be possibly showing up a lot more due to the now ubiquitous media, whatever this trend may be. If they aren't significant, then what's there to consider new and old?

    As you've been caught in between my post, I think you should read my conclusive remarks in post 5. The main reason I've started this thread is because now I'm noticing it myself.
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    Ok, we get the idea. No need to post more images. And no, no significance, like Strange said.
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    Are you saying it has something to do with this?

    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halorealm View Post
    The main reason I've started this thread is because now I'm noticing it myself.
    So, as well as the basic psychological appeal of the image (note how old stories connected with eyes are; e.g. the cyclops) throw in a big handful of confirmation bias. When you buy a new car, suddenly there seem to be loads of that model on the road when there seemed to be hardly any before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    Are you saying it has something to do with this?

    Er... The Eye of Providence. Possibly. The drawn on Star of David or spiritual whatever, no.
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    Google images for "i-D magazine".
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    Quote Originally Posted by halorealm View Post
    I don't see how someone can not find this peculiar and interesting. What are your thoughts and ideas?
    I don't find it peculiar or interesting. A picture of a human face will either be shown with both eyes, one eye, or no eyes visible. Out of the gazillion faces pictured, you will find lots of them one-eyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by halorealm View Post
    The main reason I've started this thread is because now I'm noticing it myself.
    So, as well as the basic psychological appeal of the image (note how old stories connected with eyes are; e.g. the cyclops) throw in a big handful of confirmation bias. When you buy a new car, suddenly there seem to be loads of that model on the road when there seemed to be hardly any before.
    Cars? This is not a matter of confirmation bias. Unlike cars, this is a trivial matter. There is no apparent reason for people to do such a peculiar thing so frequently in the media. Cars are expected to be seen. However, for the sake of example, people with a certain tattoo on their neck is not. Rich people driving cars? So what. Rich people who all have the same tattoo on their neck? Why's that? Peculiar, isn't it? (again, for the sake of example) I just see a lot of artists doing it in a particular manner, like they were intentionally holding their hand or some object up in front of their eye for no obvious reason. Something you don't expect to see in frequency (unlike a cyclops story. where there's... um, a cyclops)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by halorealm View Post
    I don't see how someone can not find this peculiar and interesting. What are your thoughts and ideas?
    I don't find it peculiar or interesting. A picture of a human face will either be shown with both eyes, one eye, or no eyes visible. Out of the gazillion faces pictured, you will find lots of them one-eyed.
    Most people have two functioning, clearly visible eyes. In a photoshoot, ad, or art cover, it's intentionally set up the way it's meant to be. I think that's the case here. It's not the obvious stuff like being at an angle where you can only see one side of the face or the person actually only has one eye. Statistics is good for supporting certain sides of an argument. But you still have to consider the "Why?" part instead of just the raw numbers. Why are some of these gazillion photos have one eye in the absence of an apparent reason?

    I asked for your thoughts and I respect yours; Just explaining my reasoning
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    Google images for "i-D magazine".
    Lol, nice reference. Well this entire magazine was made for winking covers so we can safely exclude those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halorealm View Post
    Cars? This is not a matter of confirmation bias. Unlike cars, this is a trivial matter.
    Noticing that other people own the same model of car you have just bought is pretty trivial as well.

    Note how many of those pictures feature someone holding a shoe. Now go looking through magazines and on the web for people holding a shoe. Or wearing one shoe. Or not wearing any shoes. Or wearing two shoes. That is all you have done. You have noticed something and then looked for more examples. You found them. Surprise!

    There is no apparent reason for people to do such a peculiar thing so frequently in the media.
    But there are very good reasons. Eyes are very important. We are sensitive about them. We look at other peoples.

    Rich people who all have the same tattoo on their neck? Why's that? Peculiar, isn't it?
    Not peculiar. Fashion.

    There may be a fashion for photos focusing on eyes at the moment (excuse the pun). But you won't determine that just by collecting examples. You would need to count numbers of well-defined image types in specific sources for multiples years and then look for statistically significant variations.

    Anything else is just confirmation bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Not peculiar. Fashion.

    There may be a fashion for photos focusing on eyes at the moment (excuse the pun). But you won't determine that just by collecting examples. You would need to count numbers of well-defined image types in specific sources for multiples years and then look for statistically significant variations.

    Anything else is just confirmation bias.
    Then I am at fault of confirmation bias. I knew the statistics thing would catch up on me. I'm glad that was a good slap in the face for not being proper scientific method, but you can't blame some people for speculating. Is it still valid to ask "Why do they do this anyway?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by halorealm View Post
    Is it still valid to ask "Why do they do this anyway?"
    Yes, it is. I'm sure one could write an entire Master's thesis on the subject. Eyes are psychologically important for all sorts of reasons. (But I am in danger of repeating myself.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by halorealm View Post
    Why do they do this anyway?
    That's a good question.

    Most people at least tilt their heads when being photographed, except for passports and mugshots. Models and actresses often say they have a "good side". The effect in most photos seems to me a compromise between hiding one side of the face, and trying to face the camera full on. Then professional photographers are not oblivious to this quirk of human nature.
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    Somehow i always try to come up with some sort of conclusion to something like this, but i don't see the significance eiter. There is however not the same thing with ears, but i think ears are less prominent. Nostrils are not as romanticised as eyes. Also, one closed eye, one eye open, is dark, light. Sun, moon. Some kind of yinyang BS.

    I bet there are far more normal pictures out there though, so there is no way of telling if this is a significance in there, because there is nothing to compare it to. But yes, there is a significance if you take it out as a zero.
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    And consider how many metaphors and sayings are based around sight...
    • I see what you mean
    • I'll see what I can do
    • Before he was a twinkle in his father's eye
    • He is blind to her faults
    • She is easy on the eye
    • He is always looking over his shoulder
    • Out of sight
    • The eye is the lamp of the body
    • The green-eyed monster
    • In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
    • His attitude is so short-sighted
    • Over in the blink of an eye
    • I am looking into it
    • Suck it and see
    • We will see what happens
    • Hindsight is a wonderful thing
    • A sight for sore eyes
    • Seeing is believing
    • It's a blind alley
    • She gave him the evil eye
    • Stop making a spectacle of yourself
    • Turn a blind eye
    • Look sharp
    • Etc. Etc.

    It is not surprising the image is popular with advertisers and designers.
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    I think the photographers are trying to add a little bit of interest to their photos - sort of like playing peek-a-boo with a child.
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    Pong, Strange, and Harold

    That all makes reasonable sense. My idea was based off the Illuminati conspiracy, specifically the part about the elite flashing the one eye. So I thought about Freemasons, the Eye of Providence, and how the eye is so central to occultic practices which take a pretty large hold in wealthy and powerful circles. So maybe flashing one-eye was something you have to do to show you have status.

    Of course, I now realized that this is no more likely than it possibly being an artistic fad or technique of some kind. If anything, Occam's Razor leaves it much less likely than what you guys have explained. But I find it even less likely that there is no reason behind all these images at all.
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    Tolkien's influence cannot remain hidden forever - we must look for our hobbit, to save us from the mass media's Great Evil's All-seeing Eye.

    Thank you for motivating a search for images of the Eye from Tolkien's publications - they led me to a collection of book covers from various editions, and these: 73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    I think the photographers are trying to add a little bit of interest to their photos - sort of like playing peek-a-boo with a child.
    Actually that does sound quite feasible, especially when considering the added "flare" they want in fashion shoots.
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    And I'm not sure if this is related, but upon searching about eyes and such I ran into discussion about a new Disney Channel show called Gravity Falls. Apparently it's full of eyes, and I mean full of them (not in the same manner though. they're single eyes found on walls and objects). It's also accompanied by a lot of supposed Masonic symbolism, again the Eye of Providence in the pyramid.

    So people are suspecting the creator did this intentionally either...
    - to gain the show attention via controversy in humor
    - or to show off his membership in the fraternity (if he is anyway)

    I understand that many of you think any theories involving Freemasons is BS, and I understand why, but I think this one is far from the craziness those theories propose. It's a fact that there are many influential and/or well-known men who are Masons. Whether or not it has anything to do with an "Illuminati", mass mind control, aliens, or whatever is where conspiracy lies, and that's a place I tend to stay away from. I just think it's possible that these famous individuals like to show their wealthy, powerful status to their peers and the world. Remember when Shaquille O'Niel showed his Masonic ring in that sports talk? Same thing?
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