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  1. #1 Bringing the Dead to Life 
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    To Bring The Dead Back To Life
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    It may seem impossible, but life is not.

    Yes, I understand I may sound crazy and it may not exactly belong in this location of context. It is inspired by my recent read of Frankenstein.
    I have just started looking into what part of the brain is used the least. That is to also, maybe add onto not only bringing the dead back to life, but access more of the brains potential.
    There are ethics to think about, but in my mind, it would all be for the greater good.

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    If anybody feels like posting any suggestions, help, or anything really, I and the rest of my help would appreciate that thanks!


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    Perhaps you could share with us how you think this could be done and how the alleged underused portion of the brain would play a role in the process. Without more detail there is nothing to discuss.
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    So you can bring a mummy to life?
    With bravery and recognition that we are harbingers of our destiny and with a paragon of virtue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Perhaps you could share with us how you think this could be done and how the alleged underused portion of the brain would play a role in the process. Without more detail there is nothing to discuss.
    Well to start off, the underused portion of the brain being activated, would just be an add-on, or extra, may you call it that. The idea to bring the life back to a body would be done through starting the heart up first, while pumping artificial blood that goes along with its own. Say, type A, blood or whatever blood type they are. The brain comes in by planting a small chip that send electricity charges through the brain in short doses. Not enough to kill it, if it were alive, but enough like when the paddles are used. Along with the blood and other factors that may come into play, I hope to bring a body back to life.

    Oh and Japith; most likely not, it would be more so recently lost organisms.

    I would not intend the use to bring people that died due to age or disease, back, but more so people, or animals that were killed unfairly.
    Since so many people have different ideas about unfairly in my use, I mean by murder or careless actions of others such as drunk driving gone wrong.
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    Five years ago, Newsweek ran this article entitled To Treat the Dead. Also read on Reperfusion Injury.

    However, there must be limits to the state of "dead" that can be brought back to life. For example, proteins can denature when dehydrated, and adding water may not renature them into proper conformation.
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    Which portion of the brain do you claim is underused? What evidence do you have that any portion of the brain is underused? (I hope you quickly become aware that all the evidence is that you are mistaken in this regard.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Which portion of the brain do you claim is underused? What evidence do you have that any portion of the brain is underused? (I hope you quickly become aware that all the evidence is that you are mistaken in this regard.)
    Hmm... well its a myth that we only use 10% of our brain. Actually we use about 100% of our brain throughout our lifetime. /www.neilslade.com/Papers/how.html
    I do not say that any portion is underused, just that increasing the full usage at one time may occur if the idea goes the way I hope it does.

    Yes and by jrmonroe's post I see that being oxygen starved can damage cells permanently. You may not give me encouragement, but you do give me things to think about.

    Sorry if I sound very moronic, or use words improperly its that I'm up late working on schoolwork.
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    Well. I am missing the logic as to a) how you can cause more of the brain to operate simultaneously when the whole brain has shut down; b) how that would be a matter of restoring life: how would this correct whatever had caused brain death in the first place?
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    To answer your question a) if my prediction is correct with the pumping blood and electrical shocks it should activate the part that already when once alive was functioning the most at one time. It would hopefully add on other parts to function at one time. Not just throughout the lifetime.
    b)It may not correct it. Its a hope. In the Soviet Russian years back in the 1940's maybe 1940, they brought a dog that they killed back to life. They did it all in one moment from killing the dog to trying to resurrect it. The dog needed brain reactions from simple as the nervous system to react to snapping of the fingers near its ear to other test.REAL ZOMBIE DOGS!!!! 1940's russian experiment. part 1 - YouTube The reason the brain should be activated is to show that the body is alive. Unlike the Soviets, the experiment would go with the entire body. With electrical jolts and blood pumping it should do oh so much more I hope.
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    The video is interesting but a few issues.
    1) How long of a time period went between the severing of the dogs head and the use of the machine. We know that the brain can remain active for several minutes after being severed from the body.
    2) All the video shows is the dog responding to stimuli but there was no video of them reattaching the head to the body and the subsequent life of the animal.
    3) I believe that the purpose of the video was to show progress in the creation of artificial systems, artificial hearts and lungs.
    4) The heart beat and the lungs moved because they were being stimulated with electric impulses. the same thing has been done by applying electricity to frogs. it does not however mean that the specimen can be returned to life without the use of external apparatus.

    Maybe this should go over to new ideas and theories section or even psuedoscience
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmwyant View Post
    The video is interesting but a few issues.
    1) How long of a time period went between the severing of the dogs head and the use of the machine. We know that the brain can remain active for several minutes after being severed from the body.
    2) All the video shows is the dog responding to stimuli but there was no video of them reattaching the head to the body and the subsequent life of the animal.
    3) I believe that the purpose of the video was to show progress in the creation of artificial systems, artificial hearts and lungs.
    4) The heart beat and the lungs moved because they were being stimulated with electric impulses. the same thing has been done by applying electricity to frogs. it does not however mean that the specimen can be returned to life without the use of external apparatus.

    Maybe this should go over to new ideas and theories section or even psuedoscience
    1. I do not know exactly, but most likely it was done all within a single, or few sessions. So most likely with an hour I would guess.
    2.I know. What I hope to do is keep all the organs, appendages, and anything else together.
    3. You have a point.
    4.Yes, but I hope to start the heart and lungs so that it continues by itself.
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    I've saw the video before, and it shows that organs/parts can remain "alive" separate from the body. There's a world of difference between muscle (such as the heart or limbs) and the brain, involving the amount of time it can survive without oxygen. We know muscles can survive for hours, but the brain only minutes.
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    Yes, so if a experiment were to be conducted it would have to be done within minutes.
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    I like the idea I've thought about this problem too, but realistically speaking i think is very difficult to accomplish. The Russian movie first off, we can't even be certain that is realistic or just part of the time's propaganda, and I don't see something promising with the idea of activating a part of the brain and the rest will just follow, reactivate itself if you will. People aren't like computers you know, although many seem to use the comparison between the two a lot nowadays. Don't mean to discourage you just that I think MUCH MORE knowledge would be required for this to be accomplished. Good luck.
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    Proteins may denature and never renature back. but don't forget the DNA!!
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    The first thing that comes to mind in terms of bringing the dead back to life is, how are you defining something dead? If that definition is at all posible it could lead to the posibility of bringing back life to another state. I think maybe restoring something to a former state would fit the idea rather than bringing something back to life. For example the idea of animation versus motionless. If this idea is approached from the aspect of life and death and the definition thereof, biology would have to understand life and death from the structure of matter only. If you take the aspect of life from the spirit world biology is connected and so would be embeded in a possible definition of life and death. As you mentioned you were inspired by the idea of Frankenstein. What they gathered to create this monstor was body parts, it was not based on life and death but trying to get parts of a machine to work again. The question for me is this, what is death, is it transformation, or does matter stops growth when we die?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Which portion of the brain do you claim is underused? What evidence do you have that any portion of the brain is underused? (I hope you quickly become aware that all the evidence is that you are mistaken in this regard.)
    I would not be willing to state which part of the brain is underused, but my perception tells me that there are parts that has not developed because of underuse.
    For example, I cannot use both of my hands in the same way as I would love to, although I see animals using both their limbs very efficiently. There must be something in the brain hindering that. I would consider this to be an abnormal function or an imballance in my brain.
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