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    In Canada for the last 2 days there's been a raging debate going on about a school, a kid and a T-shirt.

    Apparently there was a piece on the CBC last night that indicated the kid is constantly pressuring other students to convert and behind that scene is a pastor who is encouraging the kid. Just for starters do you think there is justification to accuse the kid of bullying or does the reverend deserve a scolding for let's say child abuse? Maybe there's a question of rights or just why do we have churches anyways?


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    Kids at school are always expressing their own views and trying to get others to agree with them. They are, after all, human. Anyone offended by the T-shirt is overly sensitive. It really should have been treated as a non-issue.


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    Is it wrong to walk into a theist church with a T-shirt that promotes atheism?
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    Schools sometimes have dress codes, which is okay if applied fairly, but the reasons given for objecting to the t-shirt have me shaking my head.
    Nancy Pynch-Worthylake, board superintendent, said some students and teachers found the T-shirt offensive.
    "When one is able or others are able to interpret it as, 'If you don't share my belief then your life is wasted,' that can be interpreted by some as being inappropriate," she said.
    Someone is going to feel bad because someone else thinks their life is wasted? Boo. Hoo.
    I don't understand this kind of thinking. These people might as well be from Mars as from Canada.
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    Unusually I am with Harold on this one. If you restrict the T-shirt then you also must, surely, tell the kid he cannot express this view to his classmates. His classmates (and teachers) are free to ignore the T-shirt, debate his views with him, laugh at his views, wear a T-shirt proclaiming an alternate view. Surely that kind of dialogue is healthy. It's one of the things school is meant to encourage. It's all a storm in a T-shirt.
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    If you allow one than you have to allow the rest. Ergo....keep it in the church. They should encourage debates. In the interest of the public school curriculum being taught within a reasonable time frame then I see no problem curtailing nuisance religious agendas.
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    Wearing the T-shirt does not impinge on class time,unless you have an incompetent teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Wearing the T-shirt does not impinge on class time,unless you have an incompetent teacher.
    Didn't say it did. Debating it does.

    In the same context, should the forum be allowed to suspend or ban anyone who says anything? Should the posts for all potential banishments be subject to debate? Is it not a public forum? Correct me if I'm wrong (any difference if private?) but if it is then no matter how anyone sees it, posters are expressing their views to their fellow forum mates. Surely we are free to ignore, we can laugh, and debate anything that is said......it is healthy as you say.
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    Are you referring to TSF? It is a privately owned forum that can enforce any rules it sees fit. It is not subject to Constitutional free speech restrictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    In Canada for the last 2 days there's been a raging debate going on about a school, a kid and a T-shirt.

    Apparently there was a piece on the CBC last night that indicated the kid is constantly pressuring other students to convert and behind that scene is a pastor who is encouraging the kid. Just for starters do you think there is justification to accuse the kid of bullying or does the reverend deserve a scolding for let's say child abuse? Maybe there's a question of rights or just why do we have churches anyways?

    I think that children should never be targeted by religion, religion should be a choice made by an adult not a brain washed child. Next we come to the issue of 'pressuring', not entirely sure what is mean't here but it suggests intimidation which is 'bullying' which should certainly be a disiplinary issue for the school. Also that pupils parents should be informed of the indroctrination efforts taking place on school premises.

    I think also that the pastor should certainly be interviewed by the police as to ascertain his culpability in the behavior of the student. I would however be loathed to classify it as abuse though unless the pastor was direclty influencing the student to commit crimes, if this was the case then he should be culpable for said crimes and punished appropriately.
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    Chris,
    Are you a Canadian too?
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    In the states a public school principal could suspend a kid for that shirt...but a week is pretty nuts.
    I've visited more than dozen school in the past year and worked with several administrations--most have dress codes against clothing that has weapons on it, slang, showing too much skin or other things controversial. Usually this is a quick call to home to bring in a replacement. Some teachers carry an extra large T-shirt for girl or boy to cover themselves. A week's suspension is way over the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne View Post
    Are you referring to TSF? It is a privately owned forum that can enforce any rules it sees fit. It is not subject to Constitutional free speech restrictions.
    Yes I believe this is the case. The forum's really a stylized blog and the owner can basically do what he/she wants with it, short of inciting hate, racial slurs, discrimination, etc.

    Back to the kid with the shirt. There are certain things Christians believe that would be offensive to others. So if I was to tell you that your life is wasted without Jesus then it wouldn't be any different than saying life is wasted without (fill in the blank with a Christian belief you find offensive). Sort of like: Life is wasted without believing God is in a spaceship hiding behind a comet approaching Earth. Jesus may have been a real fine dude but that doesn't matter here because on the shirt Jesus represents an entire religion and everything that goes with it, including any gods, texts, sects, etc. Personally it doesn't bother me if the kid wears it because I'm not offended by it.
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    I tihink there are only two ways ot be offended by it:

    1) You are afraid it may be true.
    2) You are looking for any and every opportunity to be offended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Chris,
    Are you a Canadian too?
    No, british, supposedly, and I live in the UK now most of the time, but in reality I'm a bit of a nomad having lived in many different countries.

    Also, please disreguard my previous comments, I didn't read the actual article I just responded to the op's comments.
    Now I've had time to read the report I would suggest a quiet word with the student may have been in order and a short note to parents about religious recruiting would have sufficed.
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