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  1. #1 Is The End of the World Nigh, for Homo Sapiens I think it is ? 
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    Dinosaurs ruled the Earth for 160 million years before disappearing 65 million years ago.
    Some will even claim that Homo Sapiens have only been on the Earth for about 100,000 years
    In the last 200 years, with economics driven the way it has. It has altered the very fabric of our Planet. to the point of no return.
    And still we stand back and let it happen.
    We mess with nature itself, We create new life. with ignoring the consequences, create new crops, Clones. and so on.
    We Destroy wildlife and habitat that cannot be replaced.
    How much Longer do you think we have before we cannot exist.
    20 30 maybe 100 years or longer. When boils down to the reason for our demise I can only state one reason, Greed. if anyone has a different answer.
    Let me know ?




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    Even the worst humans can do will not kill off our species. It might dramatically reduce our numbers though. Think it's far more likely that Homo Sapiens will replace themselves with another species through artificial selection or genetic modification than by disaster any time soon.


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    Genesis, you overlooked that other heinous, destructive crime: the wanton use of large, blue italics.
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    Do you really expect a reply, to such an i menial comment, as the color and a pattern of a font. Oops I forgot Mr Galt will save the us now. So how long do you think Homo Sapiens have left, Mr Galt. And how will you save us from our selves . please let us know.?
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    Genesis, I'm sure in real life you have a great sense of humour. Why not bring some of it with you to the forum? Or does your doom and gloom view of the world you eloquently portray in your OP reflect a depressed and depressing character? And no - I wasn't expecting a reply. I was hoping for one, one that would be witty and incisive, but I was prepared for the worst.

    Dinosaurs ruled the Earth for 160 million years before disappearing 65 million years ago.
    Some will even claim that Homo Sapiens have only been on the Earth for about 100,000 years
    I don't like the comparison between an entire Order, Dinosauria and single species. It is misleading.

    I would also argue that then, as now, bacteria and phytoplankton ruled the world.

    In the last 200 years, with economics driven the way it has. It has altered the very fabric of our Planet. to the point of no return.
    Please provide the citations for peer reviewed papers that demonstrate conclusively that we have passed the point of no return. (Keep in mind that almost any change we make means we cannot return - that's thermodynamics for you. But you are talking, I'm sure, of gross environmental impacts.)

    And still we stand back and let it happen.
    All across the planets there individuals, groups and organisations; private companies and governments, commercial enterprises and charities, working to protect, prevent and improve. In the past the problem was not even recognised and there were certainly no efforts to mitigate the environmental impacts of billions of profligate primates.

    We mess with nature itself, We create new life. with ignoring the consequences, create new crops, Clones. and so on.
    The new crops mean that we can feed more people on less land and thereby forestall further invasion of natural areas for agriculture. And we don't creat life, we modify it. If you are wholly opposed to messing with nature I take it you do not have any pet cats or dogs.

    We Destroy wildlife and habitat that cannot be replaced.
    How much Longer do you think we have before we cannot exist.
    20 30 maybe 100 years or longer.
    Population will be falling in one hundred years time. The technology you despise will be repopulating and recovering wilderness areas with native species. I fully expect my great, great, great grandchildren to be able to visit and observe in the wild all creatures currently on the endagered species lists. And that will be achieved with the cloning and messing with nature that you despise.

    When boils down to the reason for our demise I can only state one reason, Greed. if anyone has a different answer.
    It is natural biological population dynamics. If it was greed you might have to accuse locusts of the same thing.
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    Thanks for that John, and just for the record I don't despise all technological breakthroughs. And if it really benefits all of humanity, then it works for me.

    I also do not dispute there are some great organisations trying to protect our Planet .But would I be wrong in saying most of them try to protect it from mankind itself.

    There is one thing I cannot agree with. Your statement about how with cloning and messing with nature we will all be saved. I think it possible that in the wrong hands
    that this technology could be our demise. Human history teaches us this. and yes then your statement that bacteria and phytoplankton still rule the Earth, would be true.
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    Lastly what evidence is there for a drop in population in 100 years time. It is not that I disagree in fact I concur, why would this be if you believe in what you said about modifying crops to feed more, after all Human expansion is still gathering pace.

    Science is, a most fantastic gift to bestowed on mankind, but don't, put all your faith in it. , as not every thing can be explained. Nature always finds a way to create itself in many forms.
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    A plaugue of locusts or even grasshoppers can certainly appear greedy as they munch their way through the crops we are relying on for food. But they are doing their opportunistic thing, making hay while the sun shines. In other words conditions in their life-cycle are opportune--the weather has been right, the food source is there, lets eat and breed. Humans are not like that. The Seasons are always right for a bit of procreation, come hell or high water, floods or drought, lets jump into the cot. No thought as to tomorrow. But even I know, as an engine builder, we are programmed to ensure the survival of our Specie, an heir and a spare, or several. Where did this bloody programming come from? Who decided that we had to keep at it, not go into hibernation, not all of us suddenly becoming celibate? westwind.
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    Lastly what evidence is there for a drop in population in 100 years time.
    In a word. Climate.

    If we don't get our act into gear pronto, we're in for a famine or three. It just depends on whether it's 2 or 3 or more of the major producers of whichever grain is affected. Take out Russia or Canada's wheat crop, we can manage, barely, for one year only. There'll be food riots and financial consequences but we could get by. Take out both of them, or lose 2 crops from those countries in a row, and we're in deep, deep trouble. Same thing goes for rice - just different countries affected.

    And we're also overdue for a Spanish flu style pandemic. Given today's population, a pandemic of that speed and virulence will kill vast numbers of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genesis View Post
    Your statement about how with cloning and messing with nature we will all be saved. I think it possible that in the wrong hands
    that this technology could be our demise. Human history teaches us this. and yes then your statement that bacteria and phytoplankton still rule the Earth, would be true.
    First I made no such statement. You have instilled a tenor to the statement I did make that quite twists its intent. This is dishonest debating and does not merit further repsonse.

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    Lastly what evidence is there for a drop in population in 100 years time. It is not that I disagree in fact I concur, why would this be if you believe in what you said about modifying crops to feed more, after all Human expansion is still gathering pace.
    Human expansion isn't gathering pace. You are well aware of the data that show how average family size and age of child bearing progressively decrease and increase respectively as 'wealth' increase. The provision of security in food supplies is one of the factors that constitutes 'wealth' and is therefore a significant contributor to the eventual population decline.
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