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Thread: Tornado Alley. Cruise Missiles that need to be neutralised.

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    If these Tornadoes that are currently ravaging the US were known to have been launched by a powerful enemy of the US, then you could be assured that Obama and his War Cabinet would burn the midnight oil trying to find a solution to this new weapon being deployed against them. Immediately there would be mass evacuations of the people out of the danger area. At least Air Raid Shelters would be built. What methods may be brought forward to neutralise this threat. One thought that has come to my mind is a timed explosive missile delivered by medium Fighter/Bombers into the heart of these so called Tornados. The Missile would be timed to explode seconds after being deployed with the aim of the explosive content expanding so rapidly and expansivly as to blast the structure of the Tornado and disrupt the Vortex, robbing the power and forward movement of this deadly destuctive weapon. ( the Tornado ). westwind.


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    At least Air Raid Shelters would be built.
    Well most tornado prone areas have the sirens. Shelter are really up to the local and State building requirements--not a federal deal (or shouldn't be). It's not very hard to require it before allowing a building permit. I used to cringe at the number of mobile homes I'd see while chasing tornadoes in Oklahoma and Kansas.

    As for the rocket, it's doubtful it would work. A average run of the mill thunderstorm has more energy than the nukes we dropped during WWII; a tornado producing thunderstorm has many times that amount of energy. A conventional missile would probably work about as well as a refried bean fart. Just to you know the tornado is just a tiny amount of the vortex, which can extend up to several miles up and is often part of a much larger spinning storm center that could be hundred miles cubed in size. The best chance to actually reduce these would probably fiddle with the aerosol and particle mixture--and we've been messing with that for decades with not a whole lot of success either.

    The best way to save lives is continue to increase warning times with weather research and communication systems (tweets, facebook ,radio, sirens...you name it), building codes that require shelters, and well-rehearsed evacuation plans as part of the larger public education about these storms. These go for lightning and flood dangers as well.


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    For Lynx Fox. Of course I should have realised that the research and knowledge of Tornadoes in the US would be at the leading edge, having to deal with many Natural weather phenomonen of a disasterous nature. We have our "" Bushfires "" here in South East Australia after prolonged hot weather. Just out of Melbourne to the North and North East our Great Dividing Range throws up feeding grounds for these fires. Should the wind be from the North on these Hot TEmperature Days ( 40 degrees Celcious and above ), and a fire starts for whatever reason, its soon escapes into this inaccessable high country, bearing down on these outer Melbourne villages ( small towns ), located in the heart of the tree country. We lost 163 men women and children 2 years ago. Four towns turned into 4 inches of white ash. Why does this happen. Yep, like you, plenty of warnings issued. But the Fire, even though, unlike tornadoes, can be directionally positioed and its path predictable, its speed cannot be predicted. In the case of our recent loss of life and property, the Fire was spotting 5 miles ahead, the temperature of the main fire was like 600 degrees celcious, with a self generated speed approaching 30/40 MPH. Access roads soon became death traps. No chance of Fire Bombers getting anywhere near the Fire. We can expect this type of event , with such serious results, every8/12 years. Building Permits now demand Fire Proof Shelters, ( underground if possible ), for every residence, and insurance premiums have gone through the roof. westwind.
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    In addition to what Lynx Fox posted, these are not stationary targets. Many only last a few minutes. Others last hours. They can move with forward speeds of up to 60 mph (100 km/h), changing the direction of ther path irregularly. The surface vortex may be only a few meters across, or several km across. Wind speeds around the vortex can range from 100 to 300 km/h. And dissapating one leaves the same energy field in place, which may cause another one to pop not far away, since the energy has to go somewhere. So lets say you do manage to dissapate one (unlikely as that is) , and another forms a few km away and destroys a different town. Would you want that on your hands, that you saved one town but killed a different 50 people a dozen km away?
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    For MW. This is all new information to me. It proves you have to live with this hazard to know the in--depth danger. Apart from a few seconds on the nightly news bulletins here in Australia we know very little what the implications are of these Tornadoes. How do Towns recover from such damage? Do town planners step in and demand certain building regulalions be incorporated in the re--build? Are Insurance premiems more than the people can pay? We lost our Northern Australian ( Northern Territory ) City of Darwin to a Tornado, my memory fails me here, a xmas day disaster that required evacuation of all residents to Southern Locations until new Infrastructure could be put in place under Military guidance. ( years ). The population of Darwin at that time was below 20,000, the new build and growth includes precautions against a similar Disaster. The new City of Darwin is progressive and modern means of communication ensures that our Northern Front Door City represents a positive feel about Australia. So, MW, you are destined to try and survive your Tornadoes, rather than tame them, not a happy situation. If only we could harness the Principle Dynamics that incorporate a Tornado System.\, to develope an in principle source of controlled power generation on a human scale. westwind.
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    Well the US has more tornadoes than anywhere else on earth, so sadly we are gaining more and more experience, especially as population density has increased. I recall one town that was completely wiped off the face of the earth and has been rather a case study in rebuilding from the ground up. I'll see if I can find some detials on that. The levels of destuction over the last few years has been staggering, with strong (EF 3-5 tornados) hitting more populated areas. Anyone who lives in tornado alley SHOULD have at the least a shelterered room, preferable is an underground bunker, but sadly it's relatively rare that they do. Mobile home parks can be destroyed by much weaker twisters, and a few states are beginning to mandate they be installed, but like most things govermental, regulations are weak, and existing facilities are not often included.
    2011 was the deadliest year, when tornadoes killed 550 people in 15 states.



    EF ...... 3 Second Gust (mph)
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    0 ...... 65-85
    1 ...... 86-110
    2 ...... 111-135
    3 ...... 136-165
    4 ...... 166-200
    5 ...... Over 200
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    For MW. Thanks for the display map and read out of what has been happening on the ground. It must be difficult for the US. economy to make infrastructure progress in the face of expenditure required to rehabilitate populated areas that have suffered major damage from natural ( unnatural ) disasters. It dose't cross the mind of the majority of Australians that the people of America are no different to themselves in their ambitions and frustrations to moving on and up in a better society. We, like many other Nations, are preoccupied with so called local distractions, after all, they are the ones most likely to concern us. As i;ve posted elsewhere in the Forum, we have a reasonable Education System in Australia, having, like the US. a federal Administration that unifies Carriculems throughout the Nation. So we have no reason not to understand our largest Pacific Democracy, that is, the United States. We share big countries, similar in size, yours more developed, but we also share common problems. At the moment half of the Eastern Seaboard area of NSW and VICTORIA are experiencing major flood damage, mainly around the river systems flooding due to heavy rainfalls over the last fortnight. Major property damage and mass evacuations are in progress, fortunately only a small loss of life. westwind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne View Post
    these are not stationary targets
    There's a power scheme speculated for Australia to drive wind turbines inside tall chimneys. It is essentially a stationary vent for hot high-pressure air. If naturally occurring in the Australian desert that's called a dust devil, I think?

    So if enough of these chimneys dotted the map, you would never get enough trapped surface pressure for spontaneous dust devil formation.
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    For Pong. Dust Devils do not compute. Maybe returning American marines brought this back to the States in the 1940's. Take it from an old Australian, 6th Generation, Dust Devils do not exist in Australia. Willy Willy's. Thats the go. You ask adelady for verification. Compared to Typhoon Alley Tornadoes our Willy Willy's couldn't move an airinflated balloon along. Sure, they may reach 100/200 metres into the sky, and move like a tornadoe, disturbing and carrying up dust and a few leaves, but their footprint barely 3 metres across. They soon peter out, only lasting 5/10 minutes, if that. Heated air suddenly rising would probably, like you posted, be the main causation. However, our Dust Storms are something else. Think of Sahara Dust Storms. They move topsoil like you wouldn't believe. westwind.
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