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  1. #1 Nuclear fusion of hydrogen 
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    The key of the fusion of hydrogen is in the ionization:

    -Pure water is ionized , producing cations of hydrogen.

    -Then hydrogen ionizes gas , producing anions of hydrogen.

    -The ionization has to be very strong.

    -It warms up quite with microwave.

    -The atomic fusion of hydrogen takes place.


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    To disprove your notion as quickly as possible, I will assert that you have to overcome the electrostatic forces between the hydrogen anions. Which cannot be done with just microwave radiation.


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    What I want is to make stick anion with cation , in the theory they have to stick one with other one if the ionozacion is very big , the heat of microwave is alone to help to the phenomenon .
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    No. that would simply make the two atoms combine to form molecular hydrogen. To make the hydrogen fuse and form a helium atom, you would need to force the nuclei together. Ionization of the hydrogen wont help that.

    And the microwaves wont do much either anyway. you''d also need a massive amount of pressure or gravity
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    G3n3r4lch13f, you are mostly right. however what is required isn't "pressure or gravity" it is pressure or temperature. the pressure involved in the fusion of hydrogen in stars is a result of gravity acting on millions/billions/trillions/many tons of hydrogen gas.

    on earth it's difficult to match the kind of pressures present in the center of the sun. so any attempt at nuclear fusion on earth requires even more heat than is required for fusion in the sun.

    in short, the energies required in hydrogen atoms involved in nuclear fusion are so profound that it is economically infeasible to extract energy from fusion despite the massive amounts of energy produced from this reaction. good day.
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    They are mistaken it does neither lacking pressure nor gravity , the stars are born in the cloudy ones that are clouds in the space , in the clouds ionization takes place , is the ionization the necessary thing to do merger of hydrogen.
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    Time to move this to Pseudoscience...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter-azor
    They are mistaken it does neither lacking pressure nor gravity , the stars are born in the cloudy ones that are clouds in the space , in the clouds ionization takes place , is the ionization the necessary thing to do merger of hydrogen.
    you have no idea what you are talking about. Go and read something that is about nuclear fusion, then comeback and post appropriate answers related to science.
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    That gravity exists in a cloud?

    That pressure exists in a cloud in the space?

    Because they do not answer me?

    The cloudy ones are clouds in the space , only there is an explanation to the birth of the stars , is the ionization with a bit of cosmic radiation.
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    Pardon I correct my mistake , to do merger of hydrogen microwave is not needed , one needs beams gamma.

    I continue saying that the important thing for the merger of hydrogen is the ionization , not the pressure and the heat.

    In the nebulosity ones there is ionization , pure water and I hydrogenate gas.
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    i don't know who did this to you but during the course of your education somebody switched some facts around. hydrogen is ionized in stars. cosmic rays are given off. both of those things are true, but you have their place in the fusion reactions all jumbled up.

    when hydrogen nuclei fuse they give off a lot of energy. this comes out as heat. as a result of the intense heat within stars and at their surfaces, cosmic rays are given off. cosmic rays are simply electromagnetic radiation (light) with much shorter wavelengths (and thus higher frequencies and energies).

    the ionization of hydrogen is a result of it being a plasma, which is a term for an ionized gas. plasmas are created when a gas is heated to a high enough temperature that electrons can freely leave atoms.

    thus, the cosmic rays and plasma do not occur untill a star or gas cloud(which is on its way to becomming a star) reach a critical temperature. i am not aware of the temperatures required for ionization of hydrogen gas or generation of cosmic rays but the sun and other stars are all as hot or hotter than said temperature.

    as you appear to be uneducated on the birth of stars you may be wondering how the gas cloud that becomes a star acheives such temperatures when there is no fusion in the cloud to create heat. the answer to this is gravity. a gas cloud becomming a star must be very massive, massive enough that its own gravity can pull the gas into a roughly spherical shape, and strong enough that the increase in pressure (which causes an increase in temperature according to the gas laws) is sufficient enough to cause a big enough increase in temperature that fusion can begin. once fusion begins more heat is created and leads to more fusion in a chain reaction that keeps stars burning untill they have converted much of their fuel to iron(iron is the end product, hydrogen is first converted to helium which then is made to fuse to make other products)
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