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  1. #1 Does anybody have any ways to easily memorize something? 
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    I want to learn how to speak Russian, but first I have to memorize the Cyrillic alphabet.


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    Wrong. You have to learn the sounds first, otherwise there is nothing to memorize.
    And don't waste your time by memorizing the letters alone. Just print a table of all letters and their sounds and start reading something.


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    That's what I meant. Learning the sounds for the letters. Think a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weirdo34
    That's what I meant. Learning the sounds for the letters. Think a little.
    Think a little, we only have to go on exactly what you said. I don't think you fully understood his response either, going off of your latest post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Just print a table of all letters and their sounds and start reading something.
    ... and along the way, you'll find that some (although not many) Russian words are rather similar to English and other western European languages.

    director директор
    parachute парашют
    football футбол
    tractor трактор
    chocolate шоколад
    mathematics математика
    cafe кафе
    anatomy анатомия
    system система
    etc
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    Try to enjoy what you are learning.
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    I had a great way to memorise things, but unfortunately I've forgotten it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weirdo34
    That's what I meant. Learning the sounds for the letters. Think a little.
    You don't understand.

    First you have to learn the sounds used in the language. Russian uses around 35 consonansts and most of them are not used in english. You have to learn them first (by listening to hours and hours of russian speech) otherwise there is nothing to memorize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe
    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Just print a table of all letters and their sounds and start reading something.
    ... and along the way, you'll find that some (although not many) Russian words are rather similar to English and other western European languages.

    director директор
    parachute парашют
    football футбол
    tractor трактор
    chocolate шоколад
    mathematics математика
    cafe кафе
    anatomy анатомия
    system система
    etc
    Hmm yeahh.... But the thing with that is, only foreign words like those are similar, all the others.... Very different....

    @weirdo34

    The thing about Cyrillic, my suggestion, write.... The best way to learn new letters is to write them. As many times as you need. And try to connect the letters with what you already know. Alphabetic "p" is "r" in Cyrillic. A, E, O, K, T, are the same. Alphabetic "B" (only the capital one) is Cyrillic "V,v". Alphabetic "H" (again, only the capital one) is Cyrillic "N,n". J is the same, Z is written just like number 3.... Letter "U" in Cyrillic looks like Y Alphabetic (very similar, looks like hand written Y), "I" Cyrillic looks like reversed "N" Alphabetic....

    P.S. I probably forgot something tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Quote Originally Posted by weirdo34
    That's what I meant. Learning the sounds for the letters. Think a little.
    You don't understand.

    First you have to learn the sounds used in the language. Russian uses around 35 consonansts and most of them are not used in english. You have to learn them first (by listening to hours and hours of russian speech) otherwise there is nothing to memorize.

    Well, what if I've already learned the sounds? Now I'm just trying to match the sounds to the symbols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weirdo34
    Well, what if I've already learned the sounds? Now I'm just trying to match the sounds to the symbols.
    You need to understand that those letters have a specific way of pronunciation. And as you already know, they are a lot lot different from English Alphabet. What you need to do, is learn the sound and look of the letter at the same time. Most letters in Russian language are always pronounced the same way. Russian alphabet uses 33 letters. And those letters are "hard", meaning they are more.... hmmm stressed. Just to understand better, try comparing English "r" and Russian one. Here, this may help.....

    http://www.languagehelpers.com/Russi...nAlphabet.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by JennLonhon
    A, E, O, K, T, are the same.
    Or they would be, if the Anglo-Saxons pronounced the vowel letters the way God intended them. The Russian "A" does _not_ sound like any of the "A"s in "Mary had a little lamb". The graphical symbol "E", in Russian, stands for a combined "yE" sound, and a more exact equivalent of the Latin - but not always English - "E" is the Cyrillic "Э". The sound of the Russian "O" does not have that "ou" twist at the end which a Brit or American will usually utter if reading out a lonely letter "O", and it certainly does not resemble the sound of the English "O" in "wOmen".

    Quote Originally Posted by JennLonhon
    Letter "U" in Cyrillic looks like Y Alphabetic (very similar, looks like hand written Y), "I" Cyrillic looks like reversed "N" Alphabetic....
    Correct me if I am wrong - are you using the word "alphabetic" to mean "Latin", as opposed to Cyryllic? And then again, while the Cyrillic "И" does sound like an "I", the English "I" does not all that often.

    To get back to the point - Twit of Wit suggested reading something ASAP, and this is a great idea, but I'd suggest finding some reading material that also has an audio version (recorded by a native speaker). Do not just rely on transcriptions like "Ya vass lyoublyou" (for "Я вас люблю" - I love you); they only give you a very crude idea of what the text should sound like. In the age of the Internet and YouTube, finding listening-and-reading material should not be very difficult.

    Russian songs can be great, if the instruments don't drown the voice; I know of a singer called Yulia Ziganshina (Юлия Зиганшина) who sings classical Russian poetry.

    Good luck, and enjoy.
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    Thanks! I'm going to try to find a podcast or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leszek Luchowski
    To get back to the point - Twit of Wit suggested reading something ASAP, and this is a great idea, but I'd suggest finding some reading material that also has an audio version
    I advised to nor waste time by memorizing letters alone, not that he should start reading as soon as possible. Ideally, he should start reading only after he can confidently recognize all the sounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leszek Luchowski
    Quote Originally Posted by JennLonhon
    A, E, O, K, T, are the same.
    Or they would be, if the Anglo-Saxons pronounced the vowel letters the way God intended them. The Russian "A" does _not_ sound like any of the "A"s in "Mary had a little lamb". The graphical symbol "E", in Russian, stands for a combined "yE" sound, and a more exact equivalent of the Latin - but not always English - "E" is the Cyrillic "Э". The sound of the Russian "O" does not have that "ou" twist at the end which a Brit or American will usually utter if reading out a lonely letter "O", and it certainly does not resemble the sound of the English "O" in "wOmen".

    Quote Originally Posted by JennLonhon
    Letter "U" in Cyrillic looks like Y Alphabetic (very similar, looks like hand written Y), "I" Cyrillic looks like reversed "N" Alphabetic....
    Correct me if I am wrong - are you using the word "alphabetic" to mean "Latin", as opposed to Cyryllic? And then again, while the Cyrillic "И" does sound like an "I", the English "I" does not all that often.
    I think you misunderstood what I wanted to say. I didn't say they sound the same, I said they look the same. And yeah, I apologize, guess it was easier to remember to say Alphabet than Latin, my bad.... But I think it was clear what I meant by that.... So, no harm done I hope....

    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    I advised to nor waste time by memorizing letters alone, not that he should start reading as soon as possible. Ideally, he should start reading only after he can confidently recognize all the sounds.
    I agree with this. If you can not read the letters the right way, by reading you will only learn them the wrong way and than, that is a lot harder to fix. But after you practice a bit and get better with sounds and letters, there are a lot multi language editions out there. I myself read Sergei Yesenin that way when I started learning Russian....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    I had a great way to memorise things, but unfortunately I've forgotten it.
    I lold ^^

    Also...

    MEMORIZE

    Now that ive corrected you i feel good

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    Quote Originally Posted by JennLonhon
    I think you misunderstood what I wanted to say. I didn't say they sound the same, I said they look the same.
    What you actually said was that they are the same. If you meant just looking the same, you'd have included the graphical shapes of "C" and "P".

    OK, I got stuck in hair-splitting mode again... feel free to ignore this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leszek Luchowski
    Quote Originally Posted by JennLonhon
    I think you misunderstood what I wanted to say. I didn't say they sound the same, I said they look the same.
    What you actually said was that they are the same. If you meant just looking the same, you'd have included the graphical shapes of "C" and "P".

    OK, I got stuck in hair-splitting mode again... feel free to ignore this
    Yeah, hmm I guess I should have stressed but It seemed clear to me.... My bad, I'm sorry if I confused anybody. And, I think I sad "I probably forgot something" I forgot C but I did mention P
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    I was read one book in that book saw how to you easily mesmerized book. The system is you can when read that time only one thing keep in your mind i have able to mesmerized all thing and i have only concentrate this topic. Hope this way useful you.It is mind power book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrylee
    I was read one book in that book saw how to you easily mesmerized book. The system is you can when read that time only one thing keep in your mind i have able to mesmerized all thing and i have only concentrate this topic. Hope this way useful you.It is mind power book.
    I know the book, but no offence, either your English is very bad, either your translator sucks, because I don't get a word of what you just wrote o.O
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