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  1. #1 Where do we come from? 
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    I am new to this site!

    I have an interesting (I hope) question which I thought I could ask better qualified scientists (I drop out of college but still research in my spare time now I have exhausted my liver) and see whether this question has any basis or not?

    Are we a by-product of other intelligent life in the universe?

    Now this isn’t my personal belief but being very open minded I have always listened and tried to empathize with other peoples views and opinions and after reading and learning about some very interesting theories based on life, the universe, and the theory of everything. I have summarized that in the future we, as an intelligent life form may need to preserve our human existence for intelligent life to continue. Whether it be moving planetary to even as far as beating the big freeze at the end of the universe billions of years in the future.

    Also I have the understanding that although we are obviously genetically evolved from Earth, I see that our state of consciousness and intellect has far surpassed that of any other animal on this planet, and in such a rapidly explosive way. Has evolution over millions & millions even billions of years on Earth created this? And why after such a long long period do we have only rapidly progressed intellect over the last 10,000 years? If our brain had trillions of neural networks already why were we not already progressing? Did we need to build up our subconscious brain that calculates hundreds of dangers, images, sounds without us knowing before we could then build on our conscious Brain?

    Already being a type 0.7 civilization (roughly) Mankind has been able to harness the power (to some extent) of science with DNA, stem cells etc etc, and has already started to create our own genetically modified creatures and plants. Can you for sure say that we are not a by product of a type II or type III civilization grasp for intelligent life to continue. Surely if such a civilization was in danger or exploration they would be able to harness to great depths the secrets to life and maybe intelligence?

    Now I am in no way shape or form along the lines of Roswell or UFO’s or abductions of some old deluded dear called Maureen in Shropshire, but that is this a tangible argument?

    I do not really have a crowd of friends that share any interest in science, cosmology or in fact anything other than ITV2 so I can never hear a voice of reason from an education person and thought that some of you may have something a bit better to say than what my current friends say which is…….intelligent life, you mean like E.T?


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    Auntie Maureen in Shropshire suggests you watch the movie 2001 A Space Odyssey.


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    Now, more specific to your questions:


    Quote Originally Posted by OpenMinded23
    I have summarized that in the future we, as an intelligent life form may need to preserve our human existence for intelligent life to continue. Whether it be moving planetary to even as far as beating the big freeze at the end of the universe billions of years in the future.
    Billion years into the future is unlikely. It's hard to appreciate the huge timescales involved here, but humans have existed for roughly 200K years. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe has another 15 billion before freezing or whatever. We're barely a nanosecond on the 12 month calendar which is the age of the universe, and its future end.


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    Also I have the understanding that although we are obviously genetically evolved from Earth, I see that our state of consciousness and intellect has far surpassed that of any other animal on this planet, and in such a rapidly explosive way.
    Don't be so sure. It's a warming idea, but not likely accurate. See squid, octopus, dolphins, and frankly I think ants and bacteria and other life can offer a pretty significant challenge to our presumed intellectual dominance. Mostly, we tend to define intelligence in a way which makes us seem smartest, but that ignores the amazing brilliance seen in non-human animals.


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    Has evolution over millions & millions even billions of years on Earth created this?
    Yes, the evidence seems to point in this direction.


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    And why after such a long long period do we have only rapidly progressed intellect over the last 10,000 years?
    Agriculture. Cooperative survival. Those are the biggies. That, and better nutrition, as well as significantly increased success from manipulating the environment around us.


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    If our brain had trillions of neural networks already why were we not already progressing?
    But, we were. The rates of progress change given the circumstances, but we were definitely progressing prior to 10K years ago.


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    Did we need to build up our subconscious brain that calculates hundreds of dangers, images, sounds without us knowing before we could then build on our conscious Brain?
    I'm not sure what you mean here. The primitive (reptilian) brain came first. It was well established. It was when higher cortical functions became more advantageous that this was selected for... Things like solving problems, rehearsing interactions and mental planning, all of that stuff came later... Primitive stuff came first.


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    Can you for sure say that we are not a by product of a type II or type III civilization grasp for intelligent life to continue. Surely if such a civilization was in danger or exploration they would be able to harness to great depths the secrets to life and maybe intelligence?
    You lost me here.


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    I do not really have a crowd of friends that share any interest in science, cosmology or in fact anything other than ITV2 so I can never hear a voice of reason from an education person and thought that some of you may have something a bit better to say than what my current friends say which is…….intelligent life, you mean like E.T?
    Haha. Totally understand. Many of us have had personal experiences like that... and can understand the frustration and difficulty in finding people locally who understand or even care about such cognitive musings.

    Ask away... and welcome. 8)
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    the survival value of intelligence is vastly overrated
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Many thanks for the links & interesting reading and also a decent response to my statements!

    Have you heard of ancient sumerian texts? (to which i believe are the foundations of many other relgions now)

    We have millions & millions of ppl on earth today following religions based on stories of these texts so I thought they may be worth a look! Indeed these texts share common theories that other relgions pass on today except that in the sumerian texts they say these gods who created man from dust in a place called Edin (sounds familiar right!?) were gods from another planet etc. Obviously GODS is a strong word, unintelligent humans called them gods as they came down from the heavens as they had powers unknown to them....so maybe jst aliens!

    But these aliens according to the texts created man & gave them knowledge (the text pictures a tree with the birth of man & knowledge) I have common arguements wiv a born again christian over his pushy beliefs that he believes man was created in the garden of Eden & thrown out for eating from the tree of knowledge....yeah if only they had copyright 6,000 years ago then christianity would need to make some of there own ideas & own stories! however he does not concede to agree with the other sumerian ideas that the gods were in fact from another planet.

    We're talking about a time period form the last ice age...wen man drew cave pictrues to 6,000 years later building pyramids? it seems to be a jump to me.....how over 300,000 years we slowly progressed living in caves & then suddenly creating civilization to the present day. Where we not shown what and how to harness power of mankind?
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    Hi,

    Thank you for interesting topic. I personally think that we are the evolution and descendent of Neanderthals. I don't think human are smart too. Basically we don't really invent, we just discover and put pieces of puzzles together.

    If human can set off a nuclear war and blow up the planet, other life forms like Plague outbreaks can eliminate the entire eco system too.

    Like a human body, every organ plays their own role. Human acts like the brain of Earth.

    Unless Homo Sapiens are not constructed from DNAs or don't need blood and oxygen to survive. We are no difference from any other species.
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    Yeah I agree!

    However I have heard that certain parts of our DNA is none traceable, so we have certain chromosome's not from our evolutional ancestors. Today humans can us DNA from different species to piece DNA together, therefore it may be possible that such a hand was played in our own existance?

    I doubt it myself but its interesting because no one theory is correct to us Humans.

    Anyway worth a chat about werent it!

    I shall look out for any otehr topics you may post ppl!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OpenMinded23
    Today humans can use DNA from different species to piece DNA together, therefore it may be possible that such a hand was played in our own existance?
    Yes, of course it's possible. However, currently we can explain what we see without invoking that idea, an idea which itself has no evidence in support.
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    Yes, of course it's possible. However, currently we can explain what we see without invoking that idea, an idea which itself has no evidence in support.[/quote]


    True, but our current evidence such as the theory of evolution has its flaws when applied to modern day man.

    No 1 theory is 100% accurate......therefore are all theories wrong? Probably not, I personally believe in evolution strongly, but what i find weird is the heighten intelligence humans have and the missing link in the evolution of man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OpenMinded23
    And why after such a long long period do we have only rapidly progressed intellect over the last 10,000 years? If our brain had trillions of neural networks already why were we not already progressing? Did we need to build up our subconscious brain that calculates hundreds of dangers, images, sounds without us knowing before we could then build on our conscious Brain?
    It's possible we've been as intelligent as we are today for hundreds of thousands of years but simply had a combination of too much competition (other hominids), environments challenges (e.g. ice ages) and lacked a good means to record and pass down information to build upon.

    I think we'll transform ourselves into another species--in effect taking change of and replacing evolution.
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