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    What is it about us as individuals that sets the stage for our likes and dislikes apart from outside influences?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Son
    What is it about us as individuals that sets the stage for our likes and dislikes apart from outside influences?
    Give us an example of something that is not an external influence? Your very memories are externally influenced. The 5 senses are all external influences. Take away all external influences from conception on and what do you really have left?


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    I should say rather influences that lead to bais. My earliest memory is of a song that was played heavily by my parents and my sitter yet it would make me cry. You might say that some sort of influence nutured my dislike, but I beg to differ without debate. Truely there is stigma attached to everthing but i'm sure that you have thoughts that are yours apart from outside influences.
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    (In)Sanity said: The 5 senses are all external influences.


    My make and build are what I refer to when investigating this matter, but I seek to understand the reason for our individual interpertations or rather what's behind the 5 senses. The senses don't stand alone but are a means of observing things and it seems to me that whatsoever we conclude is based on more then just the senses. Like when you feel something there is a reason why you either like or dislike what you've observed by touch.
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    Is there something about us (built into our nature) that being present first, causes us to favor one thing over another before the moment of contact?
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    This is the old nature versus nurture debate. It seems clear to me that there are innate characteristics that make individuals respond differently to external influences. Look at siblings growing up with the same parents in the same household. If their minds were a blank slate at birth how could they possibly grow up to be so different? Read Steven Pinker's book The Blank Slate.
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    To: Bunbury- Thanks for the example, but I wanted to know what science had concluded regarding this matter.

    I have given a little more thought to the matter and I think that it's safe to conclude that people do have likes and dislikes that aren't by choice in origin, but rather they are hardwired into us and made manifest by our experiences in life.

    Extreme measures of pain are discomforting to all humans and this is not by choice, so it must therefore be true that certain experiences of pleasure as well aren't subject to choice, but are just a part of our natural construct. No one likes unbearable pain and not by choice, for if we could choose to dislike such pain then we would also be able to choose to enjoy it. If it were humanly possible to render extreme measures of pain by choice into pleasurable experiences surely pain would not exist among people capable of making such choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Son
    To: Bunbury- Thanks for the example, but I wanted to know what science had concluded regarding this matter.
    Science hasn't concluded anything. There at least two camps, and unfortunately politics gets mixed up in the discussion. In the good old days there were also two camps - nature and nurture. In college I had a girlfriend who was taking psychology and she tried to explain the dispute. I could only say isn't it obvious that both nature and nurture have roles so why all the arguing and taking sides? She thought I was thick, which is true, but that was the end of that.
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    I concur with you to the relevance of both in the grand scheme of things, but my desire wasn't to understand the nurture portion. The role of nurture is evident without question.
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