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    There is the new movie "2012" that came out and also there is the theory that the world will end at 2012. I just want to hear whether people really think the world will end at 2012.

    My opinion is that the world won't end at 2012.
    This is because there were some theories which stated that the world will end a few years ago, and these turned out to be fakes. So, how can this 2012 theory be true, while all the other theories before were false?


     

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    This has been addressed in other threads on the forum. The world will not end in 2012. There is no evidence in support of the hypothesis. You are quite right to doubt it.


     

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    If the world was to End in 2012. Would that mean that Mayan civilization knew they was to be wiped of the face of the Earth 1000 years ago.

    Astronomers generally agree that "it would be impossible the Maya themselves would have known that," says Susan Milbrath, a Maya archaeoastronomer and a curator at the Florida Museum of Natural History. What's more, she says, "we have no record or knowledge that they would think the world would come to an end at that point."

    University of Florida anthropologist Susan Gillespie says the 2012 phenomenon comes "from media and from other people making use of the Maya past to fulfill agendas that are really their own."
    We are shocked and appalled to hear that the number of animals condemned to lives of suffering in EU laboratories has hit a ten year high.
     

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    for chrissake ! it's a bloody movie !
    are you one of those people who can't distinguish fiction from fact ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
     

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    ... it feels to me like a lot of people want the world to end ...
     

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    If the world was to End in 2012. Would that mean that Mayan civilization knew they was to be wiped of the face of the Earth 1000 years ago.

    Astronomers generally agree that "it would be impossible the Maya themselves would have known that," says Susan Milbrath, a Maya archaeoastronomer and a curator at the Florida Museum of Natural History. What's more, she says, "we have no record or knowledge that they would think the world would come to an end at that point."

    University of Florida anthropologist Susan Gillespie says the 2012 phenomenon comes "from media and from other people making use of the Maya past to fulfill agendas that are really their own."
    Well... although there is those facts and explanations that the 2012 end of the world theory is false, there are still a lot of facts that suggest otherwise. For example, there is this theory of polar shift happening. It's correct name is 'geomagnetic reversal' and what it's stating is that due to the weakening of the Earth's magnetic field a massive solar flare will reverse the north and south magnetic poles. Scientists already believed for a long time that the Earth is overdue for this geomagnetic reversal.
    Although this one theory might be false, there are also other New Age beliefs. If this end of the world in 2012 theory is really incorrect, then why are there all these 'scientifically correct' theories that state otherwise?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper
    Well... although there is those facts and explanations that the 2012 end of the world theory is false, there are still a lot of facts that suggest otherwise.
    Name them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper
    For example, there is this theory of polar shift happening. It's correct name is 'geomagnetic reversal' and what it's stating is that due to the weakening of the Earth's magnetic field a massive solar flare will reverse the north and south magnetic poles.
    Geomagnetic reversals are not theoretical they are real. The theories relate to explaining how and why they happen.

    All the main line theories accept that the field is generated by a self sustaining dynamo in the liquid core. No variant of these theories postulates that a large solar flare could cause the field to reverse. All versions of these theories stipulate that it is internal changes within the core and perhaps the core mantle interface that lead to field reversal.

    Geomagnetic reversals are thought to take on the order of thousands of years to occur.

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    Scientists already believed for a long time that the Earth is overdue for this geomagnetic reversal.
    It is longer than the average time since the last reversal. In that sense one might say it is overdue. There are some current changes in the field strength and character that may be early signs of an impending reversal during the next few thousand years. There is absolutely nothing pointing to the possibility that it would take place in 2012. Indeed, as noted, it cannot take place in a single year. It will be - on human scale - a long drawn out process.

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    Although this one theory might be false, there are also other New Age beliefs.
    New Age beliefs are not science. Most of them are self indulgent, delusional nonsense.

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    If this end of the world in 2012 theory is really incorrect, then why are there all these 'scientifically correct' theories that state otherwise?
    There are no scientifically correct theories that state otherwise. If you think that there are produce them here, along with references to the peer reviewed research articles that describe them. If there are no such supporting articles then those 'theories' are not 'scientifically correct'.
     

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    they say its the mayans calendar ends in the very year 2012,
    thats why the archaeologists and the astronomers are taking in to keen account of this whole thing, as they say Mayans were exceptional astronomers.

    Also, i heard about colliding in to our invisible sister galaxy, with a planet called planet "x" or nibiru, but it is no way confirmed...

    o yea about the geomagnetic turn, is it whenever the sun completes its galactic year, the gravitational distortions are said to reverse the polarities of our earth's magnetic field, but again there is no sound proof
     

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    There can be anything happen in the next second. We cant be able to decide what is gonna be and what is not...It's just like wait and watch.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    for chrissake ! it's a bloody movie !
    are you one of those people who can't distinguish fiction from fact ?
    Some times fictions become facts.
     

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    Well, if there was another recession it would sure f*** the world up. Last week some news from Dubai turned up (featuring poor performing property) ... these things seem to just spring up.

    And then with global warming and degradation of the environment, well each year they find out something else which makes things 10 times worse. What happened to the Arctic ?

    I wonder how people will behave in 2012 ... imagining disaster, will they actually create one.

    It feels like the world is under a lot of pressure (real or imagined) and it could pop.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Geomagnetic reversals are thought to take on the order of thousands of years to occur.
    Thought to, but not proven to. I heard of one case, for example, where the reversal appears to have happened after a liquid lava formed, but before it solidified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purushothama
    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    for chrissake ! it's a bloody movie !
    are you one of those people who can't distinguish fiction from fact ?
    Some times fictions become facts.
    not often enough to worry about though
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    for chrissake ! it's a bloody movie !
    are you one of those people who can't distinguish fiction from fact ?
    yeah ok, but if the world really wouldn't end in 2012 they would have released the movie in 2012 and not 2009. Because they still wanted to make money and spend it on high end prostitutes and designer drugs. Now they still have 3 years to have a party. Or a bit over 2 years is probably more correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Geomagnetic reversals are thought to take on the order of thousands of years to occur.
    Thought to, but not proven to. I heard of one case, for example, where the reversal appears to have happened after a liquid lava formed, but before it solidified.
    Please provide a citation. All current models, plus all observations and research I have read of indicate an extended period of the order of hundreds of years. If this was a reversal in an intrusive magma body rather than a lava then the time frame would still be consistent with all other observations and models.
     

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    My cousin keeps talking about 2012. I don't know if he's kidding or really believes it. It is science fiction, the stuff movies are made of. Nothing else!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Geomagnetic reversals are thought to take on the order of thousands of years to occur.
    Thought to, but not proven to. I heard of one case, for example, where the reversal appears to have happened after a liquid lava formed, but before it solidified.
    Please provide a citation. All current models, plus all observations and research I have read of indicate an extended period of the order of hundreds of years. If this was a reversal in an intrusive magma body rather than a lava then the time frame would still be consistent with all other observations and models.
    I don't have a citation, having been told this in person rather than having found it online or in journals. I'll have a look for you, though, to see if I can find it.
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    The only references I could find were old (1980s - 1990s), so probably the conclusions are no longer valid.

    http://www.grisda.org/origins/16081.htm
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    Thank you for that. I am slightly worried by the declaration that the idea of a rapid reversal may of use to those who hold to a strict Biblical chronology. I am trying to track down the original research referenced in the article. Hopefully it will have less of an agenda.
     

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    It is longer than the average time since the last reversal. In that sense one might say it is overdue. There are some current changes in the field strength and character that may be early signs of an impending reversal during the next few thousand years. There is absolutely nothing pointing to the possibility that it would take place in 2012. Indeed, as noted, it cannot take place in a single year. It will be - on human scale - a long drawn out process.

    Ophiolite, I am not actually refuting what you are saying, I would like to know where you are getting this information as you soud like gospel. How can you know that there is nothing pointing to the posibility of a sudden change. To make such a statement would mean there are no parameters that you have not checked out. can you calify this for me?.
     

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    Why are you replying to a 3 year old discussion? I am locking this thread, please use the current one.
     

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