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  1. #1 Was the animal genocide of Noah’s day justified? 
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    Was the animal genocide of Noah’s day justified?

    Many Christian and Catholics justify the killing of the human population of Noah’s day, including the innocent children and babies as a judgment against an evil population.

    I recognize that the genocide of man has been argued forever and believers have no problem with that particular genocide and I do not want to rehash that particular issue. All one need do is recognize that the notion of free will did not exist back then for the population and move on.

    Having killed many animals, even by hand, and not being bothered by it, I can tell you that at a certain number, even my hard stomach and heart begins to be upset and I have to take a break from the slaughter of these food animals.

    I just cannot find any justification for the slaughter of the earths animal population at the time of Noah. Some say that animals have souls the same as humans but frankly I cannot see God putting souls into what He has said is meat to us.

    It cannot be said then that animals are evil because they cannot discern good and evil. Only man and God can do such.

    The only reason I can think of for the slaughter and genocide of the animals is then cruelty. God could have easily spared all of them and did not.

    Deuteronomy 32:4
    He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

    Was He just being cruel to His perfectly created animals or is there some other motivator that I am missing?

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    Maybe the whole story was made up?


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    Ever played a "God game" like Sim City or Civilization? Your creation isn't working as hoped, so reload. Even in Sim City when you tire of it, you can unleash disasters to clear the map. It's fun.
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    Its just a story.
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    but shouldn't it carry an age certificate or at least a parent's guidance certificate ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Ever played a "God game" like Sim City or Civilization? Your creation isn't working as hoped, so reload. Even in Sim City when you tire of it, you can unleash disasters to clear the map. It's fun.
    And the church groups go potty over Yu-gi-oh! instead of the game you actually play God in. :?
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    To God animals are like ants.

    We poor hot water in an ants' nest without second thought.

    Why would God be any different?

    We are created in his own image after all.
    "Kill them all and let God sort them out."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNesbit
    Maybe the whole story was made up?
    Did you say maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey
    To God animals are like ants.

    We poor hot water in an ants' nest without second thought.

    Why would God be any different?

    We are created in his own image after all.
    We do not profess to love ants.

    God claims to love those He pours water on and drowns.

    A small difference but meaningful.

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    ants exist
    humans exist
    god doesn't exist

    so who's doing the pouring ?
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    God claims to love those He pours water on and drowns.
    Even worse than killing them, he supposedly then banishes them to an eternal hell, without a chance at redemption? The workings of a loving and understanding God? Ha!
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    Noha's story is what that happened centuries back...May be it is imaginary or reality...


    Now the new version of it is seen through the film 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by willem
    Noha's story is what that happened centuries back...May be it is imaginary or reality...


    Now the new version of it is seen through the film 2012
    Agreed. It is a myth.

    One of my hopes, unsubstantiated, is that we are forced to bite the bullet in 2012 so that our kids and grand kids do not have to.

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    Well, considering that the bible basically states humans more superior than animals and also that if you have a sin, it is carried out through generations, it is justifiable. Of course, what I just mentioned are just the "concepts"

    so devoted christians, please don't take it personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Technerd101
    Well, considering that the bible basically states humans more superior than animals and also that if you have a sin, it is carried out through generations, it is justifiable. Of course, what I just mentioned are just the "concepts"

    so devoted christians, please don't take it personally.
    If you are speaking to devoted Christians, do not worry about them taking it personal.

    There is no such thing as a devoted Christian.

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