Thread: What is the GENERAL POLICY of the Bush Administration!

Some think it is to rid the world of "evil" (terrorism) while others think of it as "meanness" and "greed," but that's all opinion and guess. Let's look at basics and see if we can do better. Let's find out what actually drives it.

First of all, figure it as a coalition of (1) Southern Baptist, Penticostal and Evangelical believers in the South and Mid-West, (2) the military-industrial complex and energy industries, and (3) a collection of people of all walks of life who hate the radical extremes which they believe the secular racial, sex, gender, gay-rights parades and environmental and animal-rights movements have gone and the general moral-political corruption. They are reacting against it by supporting a religiouness they themselves only partially believe.

Now, that means that the corporate interests (#2) and the moral conservatives (#3) must do what the premillenialist Fundamentalists (#1) want in order to get the votes to keep their own moral or profit-making agenda in force. This is because the religious ideologues have become militant and united voters.

So, what is the desire of the fundamentalists? Is it to preserve our Constitutional liberties and protect the Free World?

It is to "save souls" from the other, "heathen," faiths and submit to "God's will" in bringing on "Armageddon", then "the Second Coming," and "God's Kindgom" salvation! That's the agenda of the radicalized fundamentalists!

And when we look at the Bush Administration policies in action, we see this agenda being carried out with superb efficiency. It is impossible to imagine a more effective way for an Administration to hurry up their WMD Armageddon!

For example, we right away invaded two Muslim nations and now threaten a third (Iran). This has drawn more young men to Muslim terrorism than anything we have ever done before. We have made Bin Lauden into a world-figure. And now, young men throughout the Muslim world have so much resentment that even slight offenses---like the cartoon---are all it takes to incite them to rioting.

If young Muslim men are reluctant to become suicide bombers no matter how humiliated we make them by trampling on Islam, they can at least riot---and rioting is fun!

But as it continues, week after week, it is building ill further feeling among Christians. Westerners are becoming "fed up" with all the disorder because they cannot believe it stems from the way we have interefered with Islam. The West thinks it is "bringing freedom" to them, so, we resent how "ungrateful" they are over our "sacrifices".

That, in turn, makes us appear to justify the lampooning of the Prophet! So, they grow even angrier. It could reach the point where we deliberately run even more offensive anti-Muslim cartoons to "proudly show our commitment to Freedom of the Press." There is the potential for this to keep on---possibly even to esculate.

The effect of all this is to destroy the social glue provided by our secular belief system which, until now, has papered over our religious differences and made us into a sort of world community of nations. As that secular system's effectiveness rapidly crumbles away, the whole civilization is in danger. And, furthermore, it does not help that the world supply of oil is now beginning to level off.

The demise of our secular system is part of the Religious Right agenda because the "secular" is another word for "the profane." The secular has always been the enemy of Fundamental Christinity. Human "rights" are barriers to the Administration's most efficient control of the nation and the destiny of the whole world. The democratic dogma is merely something to spout out in political speeches while doing everything possible (behind the scenes) to eliminate it.

charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com

The goal, it would seem, is to secure power, status and wealth for selected elites. The devices used are those that appeal best to the mass public (most are Christian and believers) and appease corporate funders.

Terrorism, environment, religion, alternative fuel, space exploration, etc. are all devices used or abused to secure power, status, and wealth.

Social elites have been engaging in this sort of behavior for all of officially recorded history and probably longer before as archaeological record would suggest.

And entire populations have succumbed to such elitism time and again.

I do wish I could find fault with your analysis. I really do. I mean I can find fault with the paintings of van Goch, and the music of Mozart. And I thought the pyramids were smaller than I expected.
But, regretably, you appear to be correct.
And SW's codicil didn't cheer me up either.

Does this make political assassination a viable alternative? [I'm not seriously suggesting it. I just want to see how long it takes for mysterious clicks to appear on my telephone.]

Totally agree. The purpose is to secure power and keep the social structure intact, trough war against some enemy no matter who (aka terrorism).

¿Anyone has seen/read ninety-eighty-four? (the movie based on George Orwell's book) I find the similarities between the movie and the current situation shocking.

I guess reality always overcomes fiction.

The group seems to believe this sort of thing is natural, typical or universal, that the abuse of power for material gain is "the state of man."

Yet, without leadership, organization, government, where would we be? It is one thing to be a follower of Karl Marx and believe workers can rise up, take over, and produce an egalitarian communal system and live happily forever after, but this is just another religious myth around which people "gain power for material gain by abusing"---as they have done in the Soviet Union and now in East Asia.

In the real world not seen thru the eyes of Marxist and Democractic-liberty-and "rights" ideals, Alpha type males who see their troop (society) as their enlarged hunting-gathering troop tend to think in terms of its total welfare. They pickup fallen infants (or kiss babies), keep order and fairness in the group or troop, protect it and serve as a source of cues as to what all can or should do so the group can act as a unit.

Leadership is instinctive to us. We have to have, follow and respect leaders. Doctrines that undermine or try to condition that out of us only tend to insure that those who do achieve power over us are not really responsible and are the more greedy. But civilization has never functioned without government. At least, that is, when we define it as what we have had in the mainstream beginning with those in Ancient Egypt, Sumer, Peru-Mexico and China.

In other words, it will be possible once again some day for men to be led by responsible people heading a belief system that is not 1,400 to 4,500 years old as is the case today.

charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
(looks like I am inviting Skywalker and Orphiolite to come down on my head again. I'm a glutton for punishment!)

This group started out as a government secretely bent on bringing about the end of the world (for religious reasons) but I think they've realized that they're too incompetent to do so. So, now they're just looting as much as the can and trying to ammuse themselves as much as possible by purposely ruining every functioning goverment program with "croniism" before this nightmare finally ends.

Oh, but people do not behave that way. Everyone gives themselves idealistic motives for what they do. All along they have been doing what you say, but have consciously believed they were acting for God.

Looking ahead, there is a posibility that the Bush Administration will
garner enough European (primarily NATO) support to
invade Iran in 2006-7 against brutal popular resistance.

The result would be such outrage and rioting in Islam as to destroy what is left of the world's remaining secular bond. Such Muslim disorder
outside of Islam would lead to martial law and the Muslim
minority being brutally suppressed. All this would
enlarge the terrorist threat many times over and worsen the
Muslim rioting everywhere. Such mounting threat would
enable the Administration to use its Diebolt voting
machines to ensure total, subsequent Texan cohort
control of the government from then on.

charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com

Originally Posted by charles brough

So, what is the desire of the fundamentalists? Is it to preserve our Constitutional liberties and protect the Free World?

It is to "save souls" from the other, "heathen," faiths and submit to "God's will" in bringing on "Armageddon", then "the Second Coming," and "God's Kindgom" salvation! That's the agenda of the radicalized fundamentalists!

Haven't you heard? They want to kill all of us. Really.

Fundamentalists believe that only 150,000 people can get into heaven. All the rest of us have to die first. Their plans are to push political agendas that result in wars that keep killing off the world population. They have allied themselves with the Israelis to attain this agenda.

What other reason could their be for the hounding of Iran and the constant talk of more war? There is no rational reason. It has to be an irrational religious reason or something similar.

My understanding is that the number of people who are supposed to go to the heavens with "when the savior" comes and afer Armageddon is one of those things that divide Christians. Many believe it would be all those who have "accepted the blood of Jesus Christ" etc. The Scriptures are often inconsistent and there is often controvery on the details.

But perhaps that would make little difference anyway because "The End Times" supposedly means "the End" and that there would be none left but "souls" rather than humanbodied beings. There is no room in their picture for a post-Argmgeddon world with hundreds of millions or a billion or so people left scratching out a dirt-farm living from WMD-contaminaterd soil.

charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com