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    I've been thinking/dreaming of this for a while. I don't know if anything like this exists, but would live to organize one if it does not.

    A sustainable commune, like any other, where people work together to live sustainably and off the grid, but with a focus on scientific research and education.

    It would be a non-profit organization, funded by various means, and run solely by a board of directors and volunteers. Many volunteers would probably come to learn something, and then end up staying because it is just an awesome place to live and learn, free of charge. Though it wouldn't be an accredited collage, maybe one day it could be, if accredited teachers would be willing to teach for room and board. Think about it, collage that you pay for with volunteer work. Collage you never have to leave, and never have to worry about paying tuition. This sounds too much like heaven to me.

    Things I would like to research are:

    agriculture and botany
    alternative medicine, mostly herbal
    nutrition and fitness
    social interactions and education
    sustainability, solar power, communal living, conservation etc
    language and philosophy
    religion and psychology
    just about everything

    Sources of Funds:
    recreation: hiking, boating, camping, music, festivities, etc.
    visitors: restaurant, inn, pub, tours
    educational workshops: sharing the latest research, craft and survival skills
    agriculture: selling- fruits, veggies, compost, bio-char, lady bugs, bees, worms, animals and dairy, etc
    and donations/begging

    some of these things are dependent on the location and some might be better off as a separate for-profit organization, which is used to fund the project and eventually start other communes around the country and world, researching different things like solar distillation where clean water is scarce, bio-char where the ground is dead, etc.

    What do people think? Is this a highly possible Utopia or what? and is there anything like this? I've heard of communes, and I've heard of community experiments, but I've never heard of anything quite like this.

    Idealy more than enough food would be grown, and more than enough money raised in other ways, that most of the food could be donated to food pantries and soup kitchens. I would like to also start my own soup kitchen/food pantry/homeless shelter, with the same principle of a communal group helping the bigger community, just in a different way. Lots of places are not well organized and so some donated food goes to waste, but having it all run under one organization would prevent a lot of this.


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    There is a project now somewhere in the world and I can't remember what it is called. Venus Project I think... It's similar to what you are describing...

    Here: Venus Project.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Wolf
    There is a project now somewhere in the world and I can't remember what it is called. Venus Project I think... It's similar to what you are describing...

    Here: Venus Project.
    I dont buy into that Venus Project at all.

    Seems like a weird cult. I mean wh-ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD

    But i like marcus' idea. Sustainable and off the grid does sound like heaven but little chance of that happening in the forseeable future
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    I don't know. Science doesn't work in isolation. We need immersion in the world we're studying and connection with all the other people working in our fields. Locking ourselves away in a little corner of the world doesn't seem like the best way to advance scientific knowledge.
    Man can will nothing unless he has first understood that he must count on no one but himself; that he is alone, abandoned on earth in the midst of his infinite responsibilities, without help, with no other aim than the one he sets himself, with no other destiny than the one he forges for himself on this earth.
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    Paralith: that is not at all what I described, nor what I would hope for in the slightest, even if the HQ is in a rural/wilderness area, the commune as a whole would be spread out for the reasons you described.

    It would be neccisary for some of the things I would want to do. If we have surplus veggies, instead of donating them to a soup kitchen, we start a soup kitchen and do studies through it.

    The library, museums, collages and high schools will be frequented to do presentations, surveys and research.

    We will make a point to do studies that involve "getting out" often and also having visitors.





    and Noleafclover: It wouldn't start like that, I have plans and it all starts with a non-profit research farm and expands from there.
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    marcusclayman,

    you could join the Army, Navy or Air Force. Sounds like that. You make your way up and don't need to refund.

    God, will things never change?

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    Steve Miller, why do you suggest that I join the military? What "sounds like that" and what is "that?"

    And what do you mean by 'some things will never change?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    Steve Miller, why do you suggest that I join the military? What "sounds like that" and what is "that?"

    And what do you mean by 'some things will never change?'
    Sounds you're up to generating money. There was no true scientific approach on something I see. Are you mad on me now? No you aren't, are you?

    Otherwise, what's your field of interest, specifically? What do you think will be the outcome of your life? I mean, what are you planning to accomplish?

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    Maybe you misunderstand the ideal of "self sufficiency" as the intention of "generating money"

    I have this foolish philosophy that if I make something, to make it as sustainable, self sufficient, and socially conscious, as possible.

    And no, I'm not mad at you, just unsure about your intentions of posting questions. Forgive me, but they seem quite irrelevant. You don't seem as interested in the topic, than you do about me.
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    You won't make money in the army rofl. People become accountants and dentist to make money, not soldiers.
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    Yes, quite nice, but don't you strive for something. Like yeah look that's what I have done, what I have accomplished?

    How do you think folks gonna sustain their lives if they don't get money for what they do?

    Hello, you there? To be honest, where was the f***, where are the gay bars to peek in only.

    You're the only one there with the brimming wallet.

    No offense meant, sorry.

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    What are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    What are you talking about?
    Science I guess.

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    You can not scientify humans, you can politicise them towards science. Arts, fear, belongings, logic and dream can play role in politicisation process.
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    LOL

    I guess this thread isn't about discussing the best way to start a non profit school anymore.

    It has regressed into the realm of poetic license. I'm disgusted by my own attempts at making sense of it all.
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    I like the tone of this discussion. Intelligence is always going to come from people with OCD and anxiety... Worrying about things beyond immediate needs. So dealing with others like that is dramatic. It takes serious skill to just communicate and stay on-topic.

    My suggestion is, find someone you know who has free space in their home or land for us to use free of charge, we can run some actual projects. Open-ended obviously. If we need things we don't have, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. First, workspace. Any ideas?
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    Hello Cedo, and welcome to the forum. You might want to note that the last post in this discussion occurred almost five years ago. Perhaps you can find a more current thread to participate in.
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