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    Just dump your thoughts here. Call it... anger management or "get the shit off your chest" lol...
    Feel like home, writing in a journal or keep track of what your mind travels to sometimes.

    I'll start then :-D

    I am craving a subway tuna with everything on it. And a Dunkin Donuts Ice Cream.

    And I'm wondering which is created first in music? Lyrics or melody?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Numii
    Just dump your thoughts here. Call it... anger management or "get the shit off your chest" lol...
    Feel like home, writing in a journal or keep track of what your mind travels to sometimes.

    I'll start then :-D

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    And I'm wondering which is created first in music? Lyrics or melody?
    I imagine that would depend on that particular artist in how they write their songs. Some artists collaborate because one has a strength for the melodies and the other for the lyrics. I'm pretty sure that Elton John for example sits at his piano and creates the melodies and then his writing partner puts lyrics to it with and/or for him.


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    I HATE STANDARDIZED TESTS! I HATE SCHOOL! I HATE THE WORLD! I WISH EVERYONE WOULD DIE AND THEN I COULD SIT HERE AND CHOW DOWN ON HOT FUDGE AND DR.PEPPER ALL DAY, AND NONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD PESTER ME, BUT THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, SO I JUST DEPRESSED MYSELF EVEN FURTHER!!
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    I feel very lonely and that nobody wants me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Wolf
    I feel very lonely and that nobody wants me.
    really ?

    If you have children you're never alone!

    never ever!

    Okay maybe one day when they have finished growing up.

    Trouble is that they like me apparently and have suggested before that they never want to leave home!!!

    Oh well.

    Fortunately I seem to like them too.

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    Lucky you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Wolf
    Lucky you.
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    the sun always comes up every morning even if it doesn't seem like that sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Wolf
    I feel very lonely and that nobody wants me.
    aww. you emo kid, you. =]

    tritai, i FEEEEEEEEEL you. Let ME live and I'll share my bag of m&m's with you?
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    You love that emoticon don't you? :P
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    Yeah, because I make that face a lot, in real life.
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    I suppose you don't want any veggies to go with your junk food? You don't have to worry about me bothering you if you just let me do my research. Please don't kill them, I need subjects and help for sociological, agricultural and herbal research.

    I'm lonely too. I don't relate to my friends or family. I hate ignorance, apathy, arrogance and tyranny. I love you and you and you and you.

    I might have gotten tetanus today, and I'm not going to go to the hospital. I'm going to try to draw it out with mind bullets and echinacea. Please e-mail me your mind bullets.

    I need to pee and then I'm going to sleep. Goodnight cold dark cruel and lonely world. May tritai have mercy, at least for one more day.
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    I no longer wish that everyone dies. I have decided that NUMII shall rule the universe alongside me. Then we can hand out free M&Ms to martians, and we'll have the whole WORLD to ourselves.

    But by all means, marcusclayman, take your time. We're in no rush. :-D
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    As far as music goes. I write my own songs and music and there is no order of creation.

    Even if a band has two people, one that is good at music, one that is good at lyrics, there will still be times that they help each other, or trade off roles.

    Creativity knows no bounds, but we all have our own skills and attitudes which reflect in our chosen mediums. to paraphrase a wonderful quote I once heard from who knows where

    "artists are not a different type of person, but people are all different types of artists"

    i can't do the quote justice, but it means the same thing
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    School is cool.

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    ^^another quote from the second greatest scientist alive^^ or is that a lyric?



    Sometimes I play guitar and just improvise words. Ill just do rythmic vocals, no words just sounds, and think of what words sound right, and then try to connect the dots. It is very exciting when you descover something like I have with guitar and singing that unleashes your creativity to the point that your like "woah, I didn't know that was in me"
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    I suppose you don't want any veggies to go with your junk food?

    I didn't have any subway yesterday. But i went to "all you can eat" chinese buffet instead.


    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    I no longer wish that everyone dies. I have decided that NUMII shall rule the universe alongside me. Then we can hand out free M&Ms to martians, and we'll have the whole WORLD to ourselves.
    I think she likes me.


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    School is cool.

    Don't do drugs, let drugs do you.
    Real talk right there 8)


    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    Sometimes I play guitar and just improvise words. Ill just do rythmic vocals, no words just sounds, and think of what words sound right, and then try to connect the dots. It is very exciting when you descover something like I have with guitar and singing that unleashes your creativity to the point that your like "woah, I didn't know that was in me"
    I've just realized...I'm the most talentless person in the world. And with that said, second question pops: since everyone I know has a talent, is this some kind of a human nature trait that I haven't inherited or just lack out?


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    You do too have a talent. You just downplay it like every other annoyingly modest person in this world. :-D
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    Sometimes I play guitar and just improvise words. Ill just do rythmic vocals, no words just sounds, and think of what words sound right, and then try to connect the dots. It is very exciting when you descover something like I have with guitar and singing that unleashes your creativity to the point that your like "woah, I didn't know that was in me"
    I use nonsense Italian sounding vocals when I sing opera in the shower. Fun!
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    My cousin tries to do opera in the shower. Very funny. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    My cousin tries to do opera in the shower. Very funny. LOL
    I guess it must be! I also do character voices of all kinds and have gotten a few looks from people who must have thought I was losing my marbles. I can do a very convincing gay voice as well as talking Afrikaans with an English accent and have gotten some funny responses from them. It is different when you accurately mimic the voice as opposed to doing the stereotype exaggerated comedic version.
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    Had a sugar free knock of red bull, cause I wanted to study, cause I left it too late again (Swore I wouldn’t after last semester) but no I’m thinking of going to sleep but won’t be able to and top it off I'm worried about diabetic nephropathy.

    But on the plus side, the sun might be up tomorrow (it was raining all day today, like winter) so I’m gonna stay positive.
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    Hey, KASLTER, try this: walk up to an old eighty-year old, put on your best devilish expression, and use your munchkin-predator voice as you say: "Nice legs, lady."

    I've done it before, and whoo-ee! What a blast! She nearly fell out of her chair laughing. But it definitiely needs the munchkin touch. Otherwise, the whole thing is screwed.

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    Been bugging a friend I once knew if she wanted to go out with me, she says she has no feelings but I get the feeling she's hiding them. Maybe something to do with the fact shes in the US, in Uni and taking her exams...
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    So...she's in US...you're in England...and you ask her out. Out..where? o_O
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    That's awesome. I don't get out much. All the ladies I know have slept with most of the guys I know... I'm more of a romanticist, IE, batchelorhoodist
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    Ha fun, I could write down my thoughts here, but I shouldn't. Don't want to scare people of on my first day reentering the forum, now do I? :P Maybe I'll try it later on. Can be fun just writing everything of.
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    Watched season finale of Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles last night! OMGOMGOMGOMG!!! IT WAS SICK!! BRILIANT! YYAAYRHRRHRHGGHGHGHHhH!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodgod3rd
    Had a sugar free knock of red bull, cause I wanted to study, cause I left it too late again (Swore I wouldn’t after last semester) but no I’m thinking of going to sleep but won’t be able to and top it off I'm worried about diabetic nephropathy.

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    I drank a litre bottle of tesco Kick, and didn't sleep for three nights.
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    Today I'm going on a Bronze Duke of Edinburgh award. I'm doing my expedition. (15 miles 1 day, 6 the other) all our kit on our backs with tents and food. I'm doing it with the Army Cadet Force! My Burgeon (Rucksack) is well heavy! Wish me luck!
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    That's pretty cool Vir, I like hiking too, going to do a lot this summer. I'm buying a new backpack and maybe an external rack with my birthday money. I'd like to go backpacking somewhere warm this winter.

    Good luck on your trek!
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    That's pretty cool Vir, I like hiking too, going to do a lot this summer. I'm buying a new backpack and maybe an external rack with my birthday money. I'd like to go backpacking somewhere warm this winter.

    Good luck on your trek!
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    Life is so short... I know I'm over-thinking this, but it's the sad truth.
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    life is short, art is long

    apathy is the only reason to ever get over thinking that
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    Life is so short... I know I'm over-thinking this, but it's the sad truth.
    How can four words be over-thinking something? And what do you consider "short"? You aren't planning anything are you.........jk.

    P.S. Me gusta tu avatar! Es phenomenal!

    That's Spanish. Basically, I really like your Avatar pic, Numii. Gasp. Is that a really good picture of YOU done by a pro photographer? I know, i know, thats stretching it. Whatever.
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    ^ oh babygirl, I will send the original, you should see it in large size...

    See, thing is, what I posted, those 4 words were just a summary of the summary of the summaries of my thoughts @ the moment i posted. ^_^
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    I'm eating the most tackiest malted milks in the world. I mean, sure the economy is low but come on this takes the buscuit...
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    Archaeologist is getting on my Nerves!...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathamatition
    Archaeologist is getting on my Nerves!...
    I feel sorry for the guy. I just thank Osiris that I am not like that. It must be hell!
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    the only thing I want to know, is whether or not he is LEGITIMATELY this ignorant, or a kid just trying to piss us off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathamatition
    the only thing I want to know, is whether or not he is LEGITIMATELY this ignorant, or a kid just trying to piss us off
    I think he mentioned that he is a single father. I think he really believes what he is saying and that his approach is the right one. I also believe that he wants to be a good, God fearing person, which is the best person he can be from his own frame of reference. Believing that the Bible is 100% true is the only way he thinks he can do that (he needs to be sure about what he believes) and unfortunately that means you have to get into a habit of looking at things the way he has been doing. That is why I think it is sad, because it most certainly precludes him from enjoying this world and all its wonders to the fullest and he will probably pass some of it on to his kids. One good thing though; he might be a bit obtuse, but he want's to be a good guy and that means that he mostly is, I think (as long as you don't discuss religion with him :wink: ).
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    that's probably my problem, I tend to like the religion subforum right now, seeing as how physics and math are little slow at the moment. And I do suppose he is doing good in his own right, assuming he really is who he makes himself out to be, but still, man, it gets ANNOYING when he gets bigoted against EVERYONE who isn't 'His' kind of Christian. That one post of his sent me over the top, and I've been brooding, BROODING... *sigh*, I'm getting too personally invested in this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathamatition
    that's probably my problem, I tend to like the religion subforum right now, seeing as how physics and math are little slow at the moment. And I do suppose he is doing good in his own right, assuming he really is who he makes himself out to be, but still, man, it gets ANNOYING when he gets bigoted against EVERYONE who isn't 'His' kind of Christian. That one post of his sent me over the top, and I've been brooding, BROODING... *sigh*, I'm getting too personally invested in this forum.
    Been there dude!
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    Bought the T-shirt, drank Pepsi max, rode the rollercoaster, thrown up the pepsi after it, went back on it (several times) and ended up here with god knows what else to do, so your never alone on that one. :P
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    Ok, had a weird day. An old friend asked me to help her and a friend out by standing model for an online catalog. I said yes not knowing I was going to do a proffesional shoot showing UNDERWEAR!! I am in shock right now. Yet I did it and the photographer said it turned out great. :?
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    I have to do a project on the pros and cons of communism vs. capitalism. Then I have to base it on a certain point in American history (I think I'll do the New Deal). My partner is a kid who thinks he's cute.....which I'm not really commenting on....but all he does is sit and groan that he can't reach the mouse, and that I should lift his hand for him.

    I hate groupwork. I hate partners. :x
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    Tell me about it, if anythint they slow you down. Try and motivate him :?. I'd also personally start at the end of the cold war, there is so much more to reflect on from starting with main points in the conflict being the iron curtain, truman doctrine, vietnam war, cuban missile crisis etc, movements in the US and all sorts of things like that.

    Thats me though, I say that as a point of American history because the cold war is extensive and you can pretty much delve into what you want with many resources for it lying about, it is a period in American history as well, it also reflects the modern world since the fall of the wall, see? There are endless possibilities!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    I hate groupwork. I hate partners.
    Perhaps you should not look at whats wrong with group work, but rather ask yourself, is it you that is not fit to work in a group. Might be an idea to just ask what they think of the topic.

    Of course I'm inclined to agree but I think its a part of all kinds of work/study so its worth while trying to get it sorted.

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    Because people like you put time and effort into the world without knowing it to make it a better place?

    My thoughts right now? The to**et...
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    I'd love to be your partner Tritai, I have a tendency to work well with others (when I'm told to). I'd help you if you'd like though, still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    I have to do a project on the pros and cons of communism vs. capitalism. Then I have to base it on a certain point in American history (I think I'll do the New Deal). My partner is a kid who thinks he's cute.....which I'm not really commenting on....but all he does is sit and groan that he can't reach the mouse, and that I should lift his hand for him.

    I hate groupwork. I hate partners. :x
    Hi,

    I would like to get to know your thoughts on this as well.

    Wasn't Communism in a process of being abolished by now, or did I miss out something?

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    It's not being abolished, it has been shown not to work in a national scale. There is a growing number of social communes however which work incredibly well.
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    I don't remember much about the new deal, does it have anything to do with solving the great depression?

    The depression might be a good topic, since it is the clearest example of how communism is a more primal type of economy, when times are rough people work together more.

    If there is a whole class that has to do this same project, maybe you should pick something less obvious, to seperate your thesis from others. The hippie communes of the 60s-70s might be interesting to research, and shines a very different light on communism than lots of people are aware of.

    Also, Jamestown was originally a communistic village, but people(mainly the young) were not motivated to work when there were no personal gains. This was before the US was established so I don't know if it counts as "American History"

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bl.../posts?page=25

    It is one of the popular anti-communist arguments.

    I think communism works very well on the local level under capitalism. Many communes are non-profit organizations. The non-profit organization is naturally set up just like a communism, with a board of directors and volunteers, noone makes any money, the board of directors decides how to raise funds and how to spend them, the volunteers do what they are best at and/or what is needed the most from them. But since they grow all their own food and build their own houses, and live tax free, they don't NEED to earn money, so there is a lot of leeway.

    I want to find/start a scientific commune one day.
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    Honestly, I don't know many people that wouldn't. What else do you need really? I'm going to start another thread to ponder the idea... ahhhh, it's oh so dreamy
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    Don't be tricked there guys. It's always simply about the dumber living upon the cost of the other. Therefore, that's never going to work. The other way round was the chance human mankind does have.

    What you guys are yearning for rather was available at the station platform 5 by the toilets, or elsewhere in the park. Don't waste you lives on the communism 'tale'. They gonna lock you to live upon your expenses and will be going to search for ways to kill you (get rid of you ) afterwards.

    Even if you would be on some top (perhaps government ) level, then there was Moscow that you have to obey to. It's always some kind of suppression involved and not worth your support in no way. That's why everyone suffers.

    Living in a free world was the way to go. At the moment technologies will satisfy the need for energy, food, clothing and housing, there will be times when finances aren't known no longer. But to get there, everyone needs to be free. The good are winning always.

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    We're all slaves though bottom line. The only difference from traditional slavery is that we have the option to choose our slave drivers and switch them at will. Also you can possibly become the slave driver if you work hard enough...

    Capatalism, Communism, we're all slaves and it makes absolutley no difference what political system is running it.
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    capitalism and communism are types of economy. They are not types of government, though they may be related.
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    I'd love to be your partner Tritai, I have a tendency to work well with others (when I'm told to). I'd help you if you'd like though, still.

    Famous last words. I'm so sarcastic, I'm more bitter than black coffee. Still feel like working with me? Of course I'd like some help.

    Hi,

    I would like to get to know your thoughts on this as well.

    Wasn't Communism in a process of being abolished by now, or did I miss out something?

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    Oh dear, I'm not really professional, so it wouldn't really help if I gave my input on such a matter. All I really do belive in is that while the INTENTION of communism is good, (you know, no classes, a sense of social equilibrium, etc.), I think the actual execution of such philosophies is severely flawed. The idea of everyone being treated the same, with the same rewards for the slackers and all the workers, it seems loathsome to me! It's like everyone living on welfare! Capitalism, on the other hand, is a much more agreeable, and infinitely independent system. No wonder it is the more globally accepted of the two lenses.


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    Thoughts today? I've concluded approaching women and building up attraction between you is like you as a salesperson holding a flyier of your theme park and showing her the rides and attractions when the relevant opportunities come up (that you as an excellent salesperson naturally bring up). Honesty and being genuine being the main roller coaster and humour being the log flume of course, even though not all women may not value them as all the same personality traits for different rides....

    So the dating game are theme parks, religion is ice cream, and time is various types of Jelly.... What a party!!!
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    Communism looks FANTASTIC on paper, but in large scale practice (i.e. greater than a townish size) it is almost guaranteed to fail. Communism has more the guiding principle that the work you do helps everyone, not so much like welfare as "if everyone works, just imagine what we can do!" so as not to favor the job boss over the man who welded the steel girders together. The equal treatment made it so that any one and everyone could just do the job that they did best to serve the whole of the nation, without having to worry about the amount of money they made. Capitalism, though, is the exact (and I mean, EXACT) opposite. it only works on Grand scale, because at the micro you get the mass disparity in wealth of the manufacturing towns of the late 1800's early 1900's (can't for the life of me remember the 'actual' name of the towns) where the owner of the company would basically run the lives of the entire town by making virtually the entire population work for the company, pay them in coupons for the company store, and keep them in debt to the company so they could never leave. Corruption taints both systems, but the capitalist system suffers less from the slackers and corruption than communism, being as the capitalist system needs little to be self-sustaining.

    and actually, capitalism and communism are in a state of blending right now, with the world more generally leaning towards communism, as more and more people want to be taken care of. Capitalism will eventually take over, after a collapse of the global economy so heinous it makes the great depression look like a minimal recession (I love being able to use words that are big in the right way ).

    just curious, are you in high school right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    Hi,

    I would like to get to know your thoughts on this as well.

    Wasn't Communism in a process of being abolished by now, or did I miss out something?

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    Oh dear, I'm not really professional, so it wouldn't really help if I gave my input on such a matter. All I really do belive in is that while the INTENTION of communism is good, (you know, no classes, a sense of social equilibrium, etc.), I think the actual execution of such philosophies is severely flawed. The idea of everyone being treated the same, with the same rewards for the slackers and all the workers, it seems loathsome to me! It's like everyone living on welfare! Capitalism, on the other hand, is a much more agreeable, and infinitely independent system. No wonder it is the more globally accepted of the two lenses.
    I'm sorry, I need to disappoint you again. It's the intention of communism that was foul. The communists have been the ones exactly who, for the first time, have divided the society by labeling classes. The working class, the class of the farmer and rancher as well as the class of them who where, officially the least, better educated, the class of the, and so they where called, intelligence.

    But what they did was not only trying to steal your ideas. I think we have to overcome the remnants of these times still found in the EU these days for example. There was no good intention underlying, but a misconception of the world as it truly was. I got to the end, when you would try to express trough words what that 'idea' of communisms meant, it was basically a steady attempt to correct nature. This 'idea' was not a true result of research but the attempt to steal the wrongly spelled translation of the DoI., which badly failed.

    No one I think wants to be treated equal. We are not equal, in this regard. Everyone was unique and the society develops itself upon this uniqueness, which perfectly stays intact even when we structure teams on certain tasks.

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    Steve, Communism was not the first to name classes. Check out India, they are currently liberalizing the most detailed class system ever established. It is all written out very plainly and is the longest lasting class based system around today, though there are and have been many others. Any religion is divided into classes

    To say that capitalism has no classes is taking advantage of the ambiguous nature of the system. Land owners, business owners, corporations, children, cops, senators, ex-military, felons, sexual predators, minorities, and families in different income brackets, as well as some I've probably missed, are all effected by different laws, have legal incentives or barriers to their success in a Capitalist economy.

    Capitalism doesn't work in a republic or a democracy, since those with the most money have the most free time, and those with the most free time have the most time to votes and play politics. The poor may be the overwhelming majority, but they are bussy working, or unhealthy and lazy, so they don't vote as often.

    Capitalism is nice, but a lot of resources and time is wasted in competition.

    The industrial revolution allowed poorer people to possess things that only wealthier folks could have before, for cheaper. Thus more goes to waste, since things are not valued as much.
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    I think it was the 13th amendment that allows corporations to share all rights given to citizens. before then corporations were temporary, they existed for specific purposes, to do something that people wanted done, when it was accomplished and/or they lossed public support, they would be shut down. A lot has changed.

    I am not supporting communism, I am just sharing some of the things I think have effected capitalism negatively.

    I'm an anarchist through and through and think that people can eventually evolve to the point where we don't need government, but in the meen time I think a state Libertarian(sort of like federalism) government uniting local Communities of different types, could solve most social, economic, and environmental problems.

    The problem is these terms, people have a distrust, but also a lack of understanding of what they mean. Federalism reminds people of the Confederacy and so they associate it with slavery, lazy rednecks and fascism, which is pretty far from the truth.

    anyway, rant long enough... we should discuss this crap in a different thread if it goes on any longer
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    As for India, I know that their are castes, which don't have their origin in a like artificial 'thinking' of how a society should be, but in several other races dominating a certain region of the land, probably. Not sure if you were referring to this phenomena.

    As for what I think, I do find to be the most disturbing the fact that of a social system, this naming alone was ringing all of my alarm bells, never was thought before. Until socialism or communism respectively. One can not understand politics of a nation apart from what's possible in lets say culture, arts, crafts and science.

    People do not strive for democracy, but democracy becomes necessary when diplomacy has yet failed. And that's it. One only can just do what one thinks was right. The society as a whole was not thinking, which I think will never change. So, therefore, we are again at the point to fathom that history was made by single individuals, who simply have to be free to be in a position to express theirselfs. Even due to a decent respect to the alteration of generations.

    You do not need to educate the society towards an end you don't have to offer. Folks aren't doing your job while you get paid for what you haven't accomplished. That's not working.

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    that was the practice of Communism, not the intent... Reread Marx. It wasn't about separation of everyone, it was REALLY about getting everyone to do what they were best at for the benefit of the nation, without having to worry about whether or not they could afford food. It treated all people, and all jobs to be done as equal, and necessary to be done, needing to create an equal pay system. It is flawed, but, like said, it is also perfect on paper.
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    Yes, I agree, and in a society where all desire the communistic approach, it would work fabulously, but, unlike the capitalist approach, it fails to address the lazy and those who don't desire the system.

    I would advocate both systems as great ways to govern, just in different circumstances. An individual community would benefit most from communism, where a nation would need the capitalism to maintain to address all of the lazy, lame, and individuals who are just drains on the system.
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    A word of warning: Sardines + microwave = disaster!
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    Don't microwave eggs, either. They go with quite a bang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    Don't microwave eggs, either. They go with quite a bang.
    Yeah, for those I have learned to simply break the yellow before you microwave them. But no matter how you make it, it still tastes much better fried in butter! :wink:

    I just put the sardines in there to heat it up. I don't know if it is because it is so full of Omega oils, but upon returning to take it out the entire inside surface was covered in bits of flesh and sauce! I'll have to do a thorough cleaning job with some vinegar water. :? The sardines left on the plate were still pretty delicious with some buttered bread though!

    As an aside: I have really gotten back into sardines after watching the magnificent Blue Planet series. The scenes where all kinds of creatures feast on schools of herring and sardines made me want to join them.
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    The thing is, I was trying to find out if you can poach an egg in the microwave, because I love poached eggs on toast, but have little time in the morning to do it the conventional way.

    It worked a couple of times, but then the third time I did it, I think I left it too long and it got too hot; it exploded, and meant a thorough cleaning of the microwave, similar to your sardine did.

    Scrambled egg done in the microwave is too rubbery for my taste.
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    Scrambled egg is lovely in the micro? Just keep watching it does not get too rubbery. I also find the following things in a microwave to be exciting:

    5000 watt light bulb,
    toothpaste,
    and finally, a glass bottle that has been warmed up by a welding flame in one part.

    One word..... Plasma!!!
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    An hourglass with sand inside is fun, too. Looks like magma inside glass.

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    just curious, are you in high school right now?
    Almost...I'm actually finishing up middle school.

    And thanks everyone for all your input. It really helped me look more into the communist and capitalist ideaologies. Very beneficial. So thanks guys! ♥

    Just kidding. As cool as you all are, i don't really love you. Sorry. :wink:
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    On communism "unlike the capitalist approach, it fails to address the lazy and those who don't desire the system. "

    Where communism fails to address these problems, capitalism fails BY addressing these problems. Do you consider welfare and prison successful approaches? There is prison in a communist society, and there is also welfare. What other approaches does capitalism have?

    You have to wonder what type of person is lazy in a communism, where they have no rewards, and if these are not the same people who excel in a capitalism, because they do. I personally would rather support a lazy comrade than work for a greedy capitalist, but then again, I probably am that lazy comrade.

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    Buddhism may have been a tactic to deal with a fraction of this population while putting them to good work. The goal of Buddhism is, very literally, an escape from all systems of this world. People feel good about themselves by giving alms, and thus enjoy the harmony of the system while supporting it
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    Actually, Capitalism DOESN'T address the lazy, which is why they DON"T fail, communism does address it though welfare and whatnot.
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    Doesn't a socialist approach in capatalism do exactly the same thing? How is that different to communism?
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    Arcane-Mathematician: Let me assure you, I don't think either system is a success. But repeating yourself doesn't make me think one way or the other. I get your point, now care to discuss it in more detail?

    Welfare, though not a part of the system itself, has been incorporated into many capitalist nations. It's effects are debatable, but in my opinion, as it is today, purely negative. It has become so ingrained in the American lower class that it seems necessary. Would you disagree with any of this?

    Equalized welfare would be better than specialized welfare IMO. As it is people who actually need welfare, like an out of work single mom can't get food stamps while others will be on it for life, and an out of work ex-CEO and his family living in a half-million dollar house gets it even though he has a job.

    I'm not saying communism is a better alternative to this. The culprit here is not capitalism but bureaucracy.

    Anyway, I was wrong with the opening line of what I said, I don't know what I was thinking. I guess I was carried away in the moment of rhetoric and poetics, and now I eat my words, but that's no reason to ignore the rest of what I said... well, maybe it is.


    and bad wolfe: "Doesn't a socialist approach in capatalism do exactly the same thing? How is that different to communism?"

    Ultimately it can be, and I think that's where the world is heading, all the poor people are going to be forced into communist cities where everything is socialized in the most efficient way possible.

    I don't like socialism because it makes people less independent, it makes people expect too much from the government and thus the government has too much power willingly given to it. This goes against everything America was founded on.
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    I agree with your opinion for the most part, although I am all for capitalism in as pure a form as possible, with very VERY specific restrictions.

    There are qualities of capitalism, that are just not user friendly in terms of the people being subjected to the style of (not sure what to call this, economic setup?)... yeah... Anyway, Capitalism has that problem of being very dog-eat-dog, where the person who doesn't have that edge, fails, and the person who can sell himself and his abilities wins. The system, imo, is the epitome of social Darwinism, and being a big supporter of 'survival of the fittest' motto, I find that system to more, likely to produce the effect that I support.
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    Arcane_Mathamatition,

    I think you still get something wrong. Marx himself introduced the working class, as far as I do know. He split the society into classes for the first time, and this exactly didn't work. It an disregard and disrespect of everything men have had accomplished until then. He didn't get the basics of what this world and further was all about. Also, there was no intention. Perhaps, only one - he hadn't go to work.

    And I can assure you, there are a few books I never ever will read during my live time as are Hitler's 'Mein Kampf', anything Otto of Guericke wrote, and some others too. And I certainly never read Karl Marx or other Communists writings.

    I think I ones was holding 'The Kapital' in my hands, and I opened the book and began to read a few sentences, and it's such a nonsense that I never will only think about reading such books since no information where being provided I'm in need of. Maybe I should not never have opened the hard-cover.

    As an sample, I haven't been back the Guardian website when I felt that they are a extremely left wing magazine or whatsoever.

    But I don't like the extreme opposite much either.

    To get back to the intention of communism again. It's only about to lull others while making plans to, the least, benefit of what others are willing to do.. Such was the live of Marx btw. There was no intention by them to achieve something by theirselves. And there are simply lots of others that still are trying to jump on that train. But it's not never functioning.

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    Karl Marx did not introduce the working class, he introduced a society that would, theoretically, be free of a class system. But he did not divide the society into classes, as there were already classes in place that cut society into several levels.

    Example, Britain:

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    * Upper class: Generally holders of titles of nobility and their relatives, some with substantial inherited wealth. Men will almost always speak with the distinctive accent of the most famous of Britain's schools, such as Eton, Harrow, Winchester: it is practically impossible to join this class after childhood.
    * Upper middle class: Generally professionals or businesspeople with both good university degrees and professional qualifications, usually with a public school education. A significant proportion of their wealth is often from inheritance, but with earnings this class has the richest and most successful people
    * Middle class: Similar to the upper middle class but usually from a less establishment-based background and education. Generally professionals or businesspeople with a university degree, perhaps from a "new university". Will normally own their own home and earn well above the national average.
    * Lower middle class: May not hold a university degree but works in a white collar job and will earn just above the national average.
    * Upper working class: Generally does not hold a university degree and works in skilled or well experienced role such as supervisor, foreman, or skilled trade such as plumber, electrician, joiner, tool-maker, train driver.
    * Working class: Generally has low educational attainment and works in a semi-skilled or unskilled blue collar occupation, in fields such as industrial or construction work. Some examples would be a drill press operator, car assembler, welding machine operator, lorry driver, fork-lift operator, docker, or production labourer. Disappearing fast due to de-industrialisation and automation.
    * Lower working class: Generally works in low/minimum wage occupations, such as cleaner, shop assistant, bar worker. Often employed in the personal service industry.
    * Underclass: Reliant on state benefits for income, described by Marx as the lumpenproletariat.
    And all of this is what Marx wanted to Get rid of. With everyone being equal, there would be no more separation by class. It's actually the capitalist that continues the class system, not communism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Miller
    Arcane_Mathamatition,

    I think you still get something wrong. Marx himself introduced the working class, as far as I do know. He split the society into classes for the first time, and this exactly didn't work. It an disregard and disrespect of everything men have had accomplished until then. He didn't get the basics of what this world and further was all about. Also, there was no intention. Perhaps, only one - he hadn't go to work.

    And I can assure you, there are a few books I never ever will read during my live time as are Hitler's 'Mein Kampf', anything Otto of Guericke wrote, and some others too. And I certainly never read Karl Marx or other Communists writings.

    I think I ones was holding 'The Kapital' in my hands, and I opened the book and began to read a few sentences, and it's such a nonsense that I never will only think about reading such books since no information where being provided I'm in need of. Maybe I should not never have opened the hard-cover.

    As an sample, I haven't been back the Guardian website when I felt that they are a extremely left wing magazine or whatsoever.

    But I don't like the extreme opposite much either.

    To get back to the intention of communism again. It's only about to lull others while making plans to, the least, benefit of what others are willing to do.. Such was the live of Marx btw. There was no intention by them to achieve something by theirselves. And there are simply lots of others that still are trying to jump on that train. But it's not never functioning.

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    This is really ridiculous, Marx does not deserve to be lumped in with Hitler.

    Marx and Engels writings are controversial, and you may disagree with them, but they were very much pertinent and valid for their time.

    I particularly recommend The Condition of the Working Poor in England by Engels to get a good picture of what things were like in those times.

    Both Engels and Marx made huge contributions to labour movements and promoting fairer wages and worker's rights. They were the first to suggest to labourers that they weren't just servants they had actual value, and their labour was their source of power. They were heavily involved throughout Europe in the 19th century promoting the rights of workers.

    Where Marx fails is in his anarchist philosophy and his belief that if you overturn democratic society, a just dictatorship could then dissociate all government completely over time. I suppose that could work with a just dictatorship, but it is unlikely.
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    Marx was Naive, but had, again, that "great on paper" type of idea. It falls apart because people are inherently prone to lie, cheat, and otherwise corrupt the ideals he had in perfect harmony. His style, communism, has the specific difficulty that, for it to work the way it is intended, ALL must agree. Achieving that one condition is the only thing that prevents it from being a fantastic socioeconomic(I remembered the word! Yay Me!) system. I feel capitalism doesn't have this downside, as the principle is, instead of helping each other as is in communism, Help yourself, and do what you can to put yourself ahead of everyone else. That mentality, I feel, is the competitive edge that makes the capitalistic societies so inventive, innovative, and all around efficient. Because only the most efficient and effective idea's will give you the advantage necessary to make it in the nation.
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    "* Underclass: Reliant on state benefits for income, described by Marx as the lumpenproletariat. "

    I don't think I fit in your social spectrum and I know a few people who don't. For lack of better options I decree with a complete lack of classiness the transcendental political authority of the double plus good class otherwise known as

    * No-class, or as hipster Marxists might say "Uberprol"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathamatition
    That mentality, I feel, is the competitive edge that makes the capitalistic societies so inventive, innovative, and all around efficient.
    I'm sorry, which capitalist societies are those? I know of no economy on the planet that is not a mixed economy. Perhaps you can educate me.
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    I like cheese. And communism, you gotta problem with that come to my house and tell it to my face. I'll show you a bliddy argument.
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    "and all around efficient. "

    40% of the food in America ends up in Landfills to supply peoples unpredictable demands.

    "efficient" maybe, but "all around" is propaganda in the least, a blatant disregard for the truth many would say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DementisVir
    I like cheese. And communism, you gotta problem with that come to my house and tell it to my face. I'll show you a bliddy argument.
    Cheese is a luxury that cannot be afforded under a communist regime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    Quote Originally Posted by DementisVir
    I like cheese. And communism, you gotta problem with that come to my house and tell it to my face. I'll show you a bliddy argument.
    Cheese is a luxury that cannot be afforded under a communist regime...
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    Hi,

    with the due respect, but I think I have seen you are all laymen. Let me repeat where I think one key factor was. A society can only live, or functioning as you like, if everyone was on a position that he or she belongs to.

    Lets say there are folks who can run a big business, well as for the younger history, folks even founded businesses that grew in the tens of thousand of employees.

    There are other folks who like to get drunk all there live long. Well, can someone of you get drunk for days or month or years or even decades? There was a certain talent necessary to get drunk at all.

    And this was what makes a society. Everyone lives as he or she wants to. And yes, for this reason Marx has introduced classes in a society, if he didn't steal that of the table of an other communist, which never would have come up for obvious reasons.

    These classed have been of a kind such that people couldn't get over to an other class. They where fixed to where they where, like never even moving. You understand? One was like the society wanted to be, the other one was an artificial introduction to the society. Both are named classes, but it's still something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numii
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    yes, and there is no hope
    Right little ray of sunshine, aren't you? You sound like someone I could get along with...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
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    Right little ray of sunshine, aren't you? You sound like someone I could get along with...

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    To taste the cup of bitterness ... our destiny(I THİNK)
    meanwhile , I'm not stark raving mad. At a least not yet..
    Taste it? More like drown in it! Love may make the world go 'round, but bitterness is what keeps it firmly on its axis.

    Anyways, here are my thoughts for today:

    I love the sun.

    I hate pollen.

    I'm officially laughing at some of the stupidest and most disturbing prom dresses ever!

    My friend is mad at me because I didn't give her a hug when she told me, "Hey, bitch, come give me a hug!"

    Well, gee, I wonder what's wrong with THAT statement.

    I have to go to a dumb party tonight, where maybe no one I like is going. So I guess my companion will be my iPod and maybe a good long book....

    I tested for green belt today! I broke a board with front snap kick, and it broke into three pieces, one of which went and hit another instructor! Heh heh...but he's ok now.

    I hate my unruly, non-tameable, wavy, medium-length hair. But I don't suppose a lot of you could sympathize with that, so...... :?

    And yeah, that's about it for now. I'll come back later when my head has more crap in it. Bye people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    I hate my unruly, non-tameable, wavy, medium-length hair. But I don't suppose a lot of you could sympathize with that, so...... :?
    I had a similar problem not too long ago...

    My hair had grown to shoulder length (because I cared too little to cut it), but didn't bother me because it tends to curl round before it gets in my eyes, so it all manages to stay on my forehead, despite not appearing curly.

    I let my sister straighten it on a dare from someone, and it was in my eyes literally all day. So when I got home, i shaved it all off :wink:

    So, there's my random thought for the day; recounting a boring story that I over-explained. Hmmm.

    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    when my head has more crap in it.
    That's..... unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    To taste the cup of bitterness ... our destiny(I THİNK)
    meanwhile , I'm not stark raving mad. At a least not yet..
    Taste it? More like drown in it! Love may make the world go 'round, but bitterness is what keeps it firmly on its axis.

    Anyways, here are my thoughts for today:

    I love the sun.

    I hate pollen.

    I'm officially laughing at some of the stupidest and most disturbing prom dresses ever!

    My friend is mad at me because I didn't give her a hug when she told me, "Hey, bitch, come give me a hug!"

    Well, gee, I wonder what's wrong with THAT statement.

    I have to go to a dumb party tonight, where maybe no one I like is going. So I guess my companion will be my iPod and maybe a good long book....

    I tested for green belt today! I broke a board with front snap kick, and it broke into three pieces, one of which went and hit another instructor! Heh heh...but he's ok now.

    I hate my unruly, non-tameable, wavy, medium-length hair. But I don't suppose a lot of you could sympathize with that, so...... :?

    And yeah, that's about it for now. I'll come back later when my head has more crap in it. Bye people!
    I'm pretty sure "Bitch" is a term of endearment these days
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    I'm pretty sure "Bitch" is a term of endearment these days
    Meh.

    It didn't sound so good when she yelled it in the hallway. But hey? Who doesn't love getting called a cuss-word, eh?


    I let my sister straighten it on a dare from someone, and it was in my eyes literally all day. So when I got home, i shaved it all off
    You shaved it? Why? You should've just done that weird head-whip thing that guys do when their hair gets in their eyes. They just whip their head to the side because apparently, (like you, Mr. Lethargo), they are too lazy to lift their dainty hands and move their hair.

    So either they resort to a bizarre male whiplash movement every 30 minutes, or they shave off all their beautiful, adorable curls.

    You guys crack me up. :wink:
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    I'm the first to admit I'm insane.

    But is this really evidence for that?

    I just attribute it to lack of vanity; I cut my hair when it annoys me, about once a year.
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    Here's another thought;

    I'm trying to prove that I'm a wave, but seem unable to reach the speed (about 10^-30 m/s) needed for me to refract through air :?

    Although, excessive consumption of alcohol appears to achieve the same results.
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