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    Lap dancing is not quite the booby jiggling dancing around the chaps (ladies) knees entertainment that it is reported generally to be, quite a bit more takes place which brings to mind

    Is lap dancing now an accepted form of prostitution?


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    i don't know - is laptop dancing ?


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    i feel u should only lap dance ur husband cus a woman is a precious pearl and should not be touched unless by the one she belongs too which is her husband

    but i guess in western countries everything is ok
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    That is very understanding of you, but a lot of people think it is degrading. Most women do it in the West for fun, if they like you, and don't like doing it if they don't. Quite natural really. But yes I have had one, £10 at my local strip club (bare naked) and you get rubbed against and everything put in your face. You can't touch but some girls expect a little oral contact. not that I did when I went. I couldn't do that, it did not feel right. Its sort of half prostitution, maybe.
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    I wanna, I wanna, I wannaaa!!!!
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    Never had one. I'd find it extremely embarrassing, and probably laugh.

    It's a way to circumvent the law isn't it? Allow brothels and lap dancing would vanish I'll bet.

    A few of my local municipalities passed bylaws to tame the strip bars: the law said you can't show pubic hair. So guess what, all the ladies shaved. Then - and I'm serious - they were sticking pubic wigs on for a natural look many customers preferred. We had lady police officers checking that the wigs were legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Never had one. I'd find it extremely embarrassing, and probably laugh.

    It's a way to circumvent the law isn't it? Allow brothels and lap dancing would vanish I'll bet.

    A few of my local municipalities passed bylaws to tame the strip bars: the law said you can't show pubic hair. So guess what, all the ladies shaved. Then - and I'm serious - they were sticking pubic wigs on for a natural look many customers preferred. We had lady police officers checking that the wigs were legit.
    How ridiculous can the law get?
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    Geez, lapdancing is rather tame as far as strip club performances go, there's a stripper at Club Amazon in Montreal, and the highlight of her act is when she masturbates with various fruit and vegetables, her stage name is Tangerine Dream.

    While some strippers will rub against a person until they ejaculate, the classier "gentlemen's clubs" don't usually practice this.

    I don't think legalizing prostitution would destroy the allure of lap dances either. For one, it is much safer, secondly it takes place in a secure space for both the customer and the stripper, and thirdly it doesn't carry the same social stigma that may hold a person back from prostitution.

    I actually believe that the prostitution business wouldn't even increase if it was legalized. If someone is willing to go to a prostitute, then you can get one in any major city anywhere in the world with minimal effort, I don't think the fear of a night in jail and a fine for solicitation is holding many people back.
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    The girls who give lap dances do whatever it takes to turn the people they are givign lap dances on. They give them a show so they'll come back. If that envolves rubbing their various parts against your various parts to earn thier money and keep you coming back then that's what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    Geez, lapdancing is rather tame as far as strip club performances go, there's a stripper at Club Amazon in Montreal, and the highlight of her act is when she masturbates with various fruit and vegetables, her stage name is Tangerine Dream.

    While some strippers will rub against a person until they ejaculate, the classier "gentlemen's clubs" don't usually practice this.

    I don't think legalizing prostitution would destroy the allure of lap dances either. For one, it is much safer, secondly it takes place in a secure space for both the customer and the stripper, and thirdly it doesn't carry the same social stigma that may hold a person back from prostitution.

    I actually believe that the prostitution business wouldn't even increase if it was legalized. If someone is willing to go to a prostitute, then you can get one in any major city anywhere in the world with minimal effort, I don't think the fear of a night in jail and a fine for solicitation is holding many people back.
    Or you could just go to an escort, which is legal in Canada, and not go to jail at all.
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    It's even more explicit than I thought then in some cases, so indeed it is a sort of non participatory sexual service you are paying for.

    In the Uk there is a club for ladies with naked male lap dancers. Anyone know what they do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
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    Yes: Viagra.
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    Aren't we all prostituting ourselves for something? Or do you mean just for sex? Oh, hang on there are plenty of people doing that too but they aint hookers. Pay rise for Miss Smith thank you.
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    Umm, to the question though. Yes i have had plenty of lapdances ( i have rather wi9ld past) I have had them with girlfriends, i have shared them with mates, i have had them go a lot further than a lapdance and i have enjoyed EVERY single one of them. I see no harm in it. I am single and have no kids, woo hoo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    Umm, to the question though. Yes i have had plenty of lapdances ( i have rather wi9ld past) I have had them with girlfriends, i have shared them with mates, i have had them go a lot further than a lapdance and i have enjoyed EVERY single one of them. I see no harm in it. I am single and have no kids, woo hoo!
    If your gf had private lap dance from fit naked male would you still see it as harmless and encourage her to enjoy herself?

    Where is the 'fine line' between lapdancers and infidelity in general drawn or is the case that as no emotional investment is made with lapdancer, it is more acceptable to be physical? Just sex etc.

    When you say it went further than lapdance what do you mean and also would it be ok for your gf to go further than lapdance with a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    Anyone know what they do?
    Yes: Viagra.
    So you are saying they make a point of having a point? Then what do they do with that point and how do you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motivation
    i feel u should only lap dance ur husband cus a woman is a precious pearl and should not be touched unless by the one she belongs too which is her husband

    but i guess in western countries everything is ok
    This makes me laugh.

    The men in arab countries (and the women) are no angels. Sex outside marriage, abortions, being sewn up again (virginity restored) is all par for the course.

    Drink, drugs and alcohol too, the difference is that a few prayers and maintaining a dishonest public facade usually take care of the sins.

    The East hide it, the West flaunt it, but otherwise neither is particularly 'good'.

    Oh yes and re lap dances

    are you forgetting belly dancing - The origin of lap dances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    Anyone know what they do?
    Yes: Viagra.
    So you are saying they make a point of having a point? Then what do they do with that point and how do you know?
    I don't know. I guess Viagra because

    1) Men normally won't be other than completely flaccid in this situation. They might be able to psyche themselves to very temporary erections.

    2) Performance enhancing drugs both plebeian and hard core saturate the entertainment and sex trades. Often workers are using some drugs to support their indulgence in others.

    3) While customers may not expect a solid stiffy, they must prefer more bulk than the relatively shy and tiny penis in its 100% flaccid state. There is a range of default erectedness, easily tweaked by low dose of Viagra.

    4) The men themselves have vanity just as preening ladies do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    Where is the 'fine line' between lapdancers and infidelity in general drawn...?
    It's drawn in your heart, a perfectly good authority in itself. Love doesn't deal in legal contracts or what rationally ought to be. If it makes you uncomfortable, then it makes you uncomfortable.

    Reading 'tween the lines ToR I'm thinking this is causing you some dissonance personally. You boast this set of definitely not prudish beliefs, on the one hand, but on the other hand is this nagging irrational discomfort... right?

    If you wanna be a dog, the thing to do is take whatever situation a guy puts you in, and say, "Oh, I'm in this situation, I'll just revise my beliefs to think I really wanted to be in this situation" make the best of it, and so forth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    The East hide it, the West flaunt it
    The sons and daughters of the West have no higher purpose than to seek their own pleasure. This is totally explicit and reinforced in every nearly every aspect of Western culture. I know because I'm trying to raise a good person in this environment. I think it's partially excused by parents' wish our children be happy. Buying sex is just natural extension of the same unmoderated value. It follows logically.
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    Most male strippers do strip while flacid, although women tend to prefer the strip clubs where the men don't go completely nude. The gay clubs tend to go all out though.
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    Pong, buying sex is not restricted to the West.

    Meanwhile

    re my own feelings re lap dances.

    No dialogue is entered into with a lapdancer in the way it is with a prostitute, so the 'service' is entirely unknown and variable. You literally don't know whether you will get a booby in face and nice dance (knickers on) or full nudity, groin grinding, nipple in mouth and so on.

    This for me is where the discomfort lies...that unknown 'service'.

    Line between these dances and prostitution, you guys seem uneasy with accepting this as prostitution, is this because seeing a prostitute still carries stigma whereas having services provided by a lapdancer has a good range of acceptability nowadays? It's considered 'cool' by the boys and girls tolerate it, but prostitution is still considered uncool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    Most male strippers do strip while flacid, although women tend to prefer the strip clubs where the men don't go completely nude. The gay clubs tend to go all out though.
    How do you guys who have had lapdances feel about your gf's having them from men?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Reading 'tween the lines ToR I'm thinking this is causing you some dissonance personally.
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    re my own feelings re lap dances:

    (impersonal rationalization)
    That's not what I was getting at. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Reading 'tween the lines ToR I'm thinking this is causing you some dissonance personally.
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    re my own feelings re lap dances:

    (impersonal rationalization)
    That's not what I was getting at. :wink:
    Sorry Pong, you've lost me as usual.

    Not sure what you are getting at then.

    I have objections to some aspects but not to others, this is a personal opinion not an impersonal one.

    My personal opinion re prostitution for example is that it should be legalised off the street, regulated, taxed and clean and if men or women are unfulfilled a nice service by a proffessional (as long as it doesn't get them into debt/obsessed etc) is preferable to an affair of the heart, as well as ensuring that person is appropriately fulfilled as an individual.

    Would I like a guy I am seeing to see a pro? Gut says NO, rational mind says - depends on the circumstances. This goes for lap dancing too.

    BUT

    Saying that, I then consider that making it legal increases acceptability and thus incidence and occurrence in situations when it otherwise may never arise, which brings us back to the lap dancing and it's increasing popularity, wider appeal and acceptability.

    Where is the line to be drawn?
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    This is what happens at ladies nights apparently
    http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/board/a...-0-asc-60.html

    Much more contact for women it seems than for men.

    How happy are you guys for your women to see strippers knowing they get to suck the men, feel them (sometimes more) and expose themselves too, in public and private? Harmless fun or something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    Gut says NO, rational mind says - depends
    I thought perhaps your bf got lap danced and this bugs you. Anyway, your reply is neither too much information nor too little.


    "The line". I dunno if there's a natural line here. Because sex trade is so much broader than the frank economy we see in red light districts. For example many women are domestic prostitutes in a way because they put out in exchange for material security like a home to live in. It's a kind of career we'd be kidding ourselves to deny. You know that even preteen girls start practicing to sell themselves physically. I see lap dancing and outright prostitution as one end of that scale - it's not much qualitatively different than normal boy/girl transactions in itself.

    Sex trade is totally ingrained in our culture yet contradicts our ideals... and our gut. So we overlook or re-frame the commonplace sex trade and try to draw an artificial line at the point we feel it intolerable. That line's gonna shift because we have this low-level war of the sexes going on meanwhile, both sides totally embroiled in sexual exchanges of varying overtness. Until we root out how and why the whole matter contradicts, we're just patching holes in my opinion.

    Tell me this isn't patchwork:

    "legalised off the street, regulated, taxed and clean and if men or women are unfulfilled a nice service by a proffessional (as long as it doesn't get them into debt/obsessed etc) is preferable to an affair of the heart, as well as ensuring that person is appropriately fulfilled as an individual."

    Not that I can offer better. :?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    This is what happens at ladies nights apparently
    http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/board/a...-0-asc-60.html

    Much more contact for women it seems than for men.

    How happy are you guys for your women to see strippers knowing they get to suck the men, feel them (sometimes more) and expose themselves too, in public and private? Harmless fun or something else?
    Wow that is one unusual case though, touching is pretty common, but actual blow job/hand job would not happen in a downtown club. Maybe in a seedier joint out of town, the countryside is littered with brothels.

    The solution to that problem is make sure the girl goes to a gay club, most of them don't let women in but some do, and the strippers at gay clubs rarely let anyone touch them.
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    Excuse me !!!! everyone !! but can someone tell me, that what is the actual meaning of this discussion !!
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    Females (and males) stripping naked for cash and placing their private parts in the face and other places of a stranger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Females (and males) stripping naked for cash and placing their private parts in the face and other places of a stranger.
    I thought it was about ToR's boyfriend, and what she's gonna do to punish him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong

    I thought perhaps your bf got lap danced and this bugs you. Anyway, your reply is neither too much information nor too little.


    "The line". I dunno if there's a natural line here. Because sex trade is so much broader than the frank economy we see in red light districts. For example many women are domestic prostitutes in a way because they put out in exchange for material security like a home to live in. It's a kind of career we'd be kidding ourselves to deny. You know that even preteen girls start practicing to sell themselves physically. I see lap dancing and outright prostitution as one end of that scale - it's not much qualitatively different than normal boy/girl transactions in itself.
    Typical male view and so wrong, there is a HUGE difference between women in relationships and women charging to have sex with multiple men they have never met before and never will again. Very insulting of you to say otherwise not to mention naive.

    Prostitutes generally do not LIKE having sex with these men but do so for money, gf's either enjoy it or seek it elsewhere or say no altogether, they don't on the whole enter a transaction in order to get on their back.

    Re a bf and a lap dance, the title of the thread is 'I had a lap dance' is it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    This is what happens at ladies nights apparently
    http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/board/a...-0-asc-60.html

    Much more contact for women it seems than for men.

    How happy are you guys for your women to see strippers knowing they get to suck the men, feel them (sometimes more) and expose themselves too, in public and private? Harmless fun or something else?
    Wow that is one unusual case though, touching is pretty common, but actual blow job/hand job would not happen in a downtown club. Maybe in a seedier joint out of town, the countryside is littered with brothels.

    The solution to that problem is make sure the girl goes to a gay club, most of them don't let women in but some do, and the strippers at gay clubs rarely let anyone touch them.
    This is not an isolated incident, there are multiple posts here from diff women all over the country reporting same experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Females (and males) stripping naked for cash and placing their private parts in the face and other places of a stranger.
    Actually Chaotic I asked some very specific questions of males on the board, and as yet not one is brave enough to respond to them. Except Pong who has himself skirted round the issue but then he's not had one so...

    How do men who have had lap dances and feel 'harmless fun' feel if their gf had similar/same from a man? Is it still harmless fun?

    How does this differ from intimacy with stranger in nightclub?

    Do men feel this is prostitution (the more contact related lap dances) and if not why not?

    Where is the line drawn between lap dances and prostitution.

    Can lap dances be viewed as infidelity and if not why not and if so why so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    Typical male view and so wrong
    The customer is always right. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    there is a HUGE difference between women in relationships and women charging to have sex with multiple men they have never met before and never will again.
    If the "relationship" hinges on sex exchanged for something other than sex, what do you call this? The hookers take it further, maybe HUGELY further but it's the same thing. You fail to draw a line because this truly is a continuity of sex trade. You fail to acknowledge the continuity because you'd prefer the illusion we haven't all been sex traders in various ways and various degrees.

    Honestly I do trade sex for things besides. With my wife now, but also many others prior. Both ways, and nothing crass. Very rarely have I had "sex for sex" as in movies. There is always a good deal more to it. Strings and incentives attached. For example I can guarantee my partner feels more loving if I really put myself out sexually, plus the dishes might get done. Haven't you ever felt like you "owe" a guy something on account of sex? That's sex trade and it's alright.

    Well, there's a decidedly economic slant above. It isn't "typical male" at all as I learned this direct from feminists.

    What good are you doing women, ToR, by classing prostitutes "hugely different" and denying the economy?
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    Pong, not sure who you've been dating, but I know of no women who trade sex in a relationship.

    Couples have sex or they don't, there is no 'shopping list' swapped for services rendered.

    If these are the women you've met then maybe you need to change the women you date/marry, what you describe sounds very very odd indeed, and no I have never felt I owed a guy something for sex.

    That's got to be the oddest thing I ever heard...really.

    I don't consider a guy I have sex with is doing me a favour, or that I am doing him a favour although I do feel he is a damn lucky guy So there is no question of a 'return favour'.

    I am sorry you think your wife only does the dishes because you have had sex with her, pretty sure they get done otherwise though unless you fuck 5 times a day which is as often as they require doing generally.

    Re your last line...I am not a feminist so doing women 'favors' is also of no interest to me, meanwhile I am certain many women agree they are not remotely the same as prostitutes. Again sorry that you appear to have married one (based on your own claims) or that you feel you have prostituted yourself. Your experience is not everyones...fortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    Actually Chaotic I asked some very specific questions of males on the board, and as yet not one is brave enough to respond to them.
    I shall always rise to the occassion, if it helps to satisfy you ToR. :wink:
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    How do men who have had lap dances and feel 'harmless fun' feel if their gf had similar/same from a man? Is it still harmless fun?
    They may or may not be harmless, but in my experience they are not fun. Since I hold to the notion of faithfullness in marriage I have no intention of being aroused by a lapdancer. That makes the whole process rather pointless (literally and metaphorically). It then becomes a tedious duty, engaged in to allow business colleagues with different moral values, have some harmless fun.
    If my wife wished to indulge in the same from a man, then good luck to her: I would get more pleasure out of stopping hitting my fingers with a hammer. :?
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    How do men who have had lap dances and feel 'harmless fun' feel if their gf had similar/same from a man? Is it still harmless fun?
    They may or may not be harmless, but in my experience they are not fun. Since I hold to the notion of faithfullness in marriage I have no intention of being aroused by a lapdancer. That makes the whole process rather pointless (literally and metaphorically). It then becomes a tedious duty, engaged in to allow business colleagues with different moral values, have some harmless fun.
    If my wife wished to indulge in the same from a man, then good luck to her: I would get more pleasure out of stopping hitting my fingers with a hammer. :?
    Indeed, this is the problem, lap dancing has become an office 'outing' which employee's would be loathe to refuse due to the old 'in-club' needs.

    I know someone who's 'welcome' to a new firm involved a trip to a strip club.

    I wonder if the employee had been female if she'd have been taken to the same venue. It's a bizarre right of passage for men it seems.

    But with lap dances now involving more and more contact, it's blurring the lines between entertainment, prostitution and infidelity.

    Meanwhile you say that due to fidelity in marriage you would not allow yourself to be aroused by a lap dancer, does this lack of arousal outside of marriage extend to porn, scantily clad women at the beach and so on?

    It must be hard, assuming all is functioning well, to avoid all forms of arousal or does 'love' cut off the blood supply to that dept?

    Meanwhile as you are in the answering questions mood, do men avoid committing to women who are too sexy preferring instead to opt for safer, more virginal, low sex drive females wearing high collars? Or does the old 'lady in public - whore in the bedroom' maxim still apply?
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    So far none of the women I have spoken to are aware of how much contact takes place during lapdances, they were all under the illusion it was strictly no contact and as such while not thrilled were tolerant of their partners odd lap dance at stag doo's etc. Now however, sharp implements and threats have been mentioned. So my revelations are potentially very damaging, but women should be aware of this as should men with regards to what takes place at hen doo's.

    Or are we back at square one with 'does it really matter?' how much harm can it do really?

    Here is a useful link which sums up all the concerns in the UK re increase of lap dancing venues and 'normalisation'.
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    I don't consider a guy I have sex with is doing me a favour, or that I am doing him a favour although I do feel he is a damn lucky guy So there is no question of a 'return favour'.
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    Umm, to the question though. Yes i have had plenty of lapdances ( i have rather wi9ld past) I have had them with girlfriends, i have shared them with mates, i have had them go a lot further than a lapdance and i have enjoyed EVERY single one of them. I see no harm in it. I am single and have no kids, woo hoo!
    If your gf had private lap dance from fit naked male would you still see it as harmless and encourage her to enjoy herself?

    Where is the 'fine line' between lapdancers and infidelity in general drawn or is the case that as no emotional investment is made with lapdancer, it is more acceptable to be physical? Just sex etc.

    When you say it went further than lapdance what do you mean and also would it be ok for your gf to go further than lapdance with a man.
    I have been fine with girlfriends going to a male strip show, i just don't want to know about it or what they got up to.
    I also have a friend from school that works as a male stripper and he's told me that the ladies are far more forward and wild with the guys than the guys are with the female strippers. In most female strip clubs there is a no touch policy that is enforced to varying degrees by each club. In a male strip club, there is no such policy. My friend says he has received hand jobs, head jobs and many times has hooked up with one or more ladies after the show for sex.
    For my part, when i say i have had lapdances that went further than a lapdance, in private lapdancing booths i have received hand jobs, head jobs and had sex twice.
    A lapdance is something taking place between 2 consenting people and the only people that ever have a problem with that are those that are not there at the time. If you find lapdancing morally repulsive or sinful then just dont have one, no one will get upset with you.
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    Umm, to the question though. Yes i have had plenty of lapdances ( i have rather wi9ld past) I have had them with girlfriends, i have shared them with mates, i have had them go a lot further than a lapdance and i have enjoyed EVERY single one of them. I see no harm in it. I am single and have no kids, woo hoo!
    If your gf had private lap dance from fit naked male would you still see it as harmless and encourage her to enjoy herself?

    Where is the 'fine line' between lapdancers and infidelity in general drawn or is the case that as no emotional investment is made with lapdancer, it is more acceptable to be physical? Just sex etc.

    When you say it went further than lapdance what do you mean and also would it be ok for your gf to go further than lapdance with a man.
    I have been fine with girlfriends going to a male strip show, i just don't want to know about it or what they got up to.
    I also have a friend from school that works as a male stripper and he's told me that the ladies are far more forward and wild with the guys than the guys are with the female strippers. In most female strip clubs there is a no touch policy that is enforced to varying degrees by each club. In a male strip club, there is no such policy. My friend says he has received hand jobs, head jobs and many times has hooked up with one or more ladies after the show for sex.
    For my part, when i say i have had lapdances that went further than a lapdance, in private lapdancing booths i have received hand jobs, head jobs and had sex twice.
    A lapdance is something taking place between 2 consenting people and the only people that ever have a problem with that are those that are not there at the time. If you find lapdancing morally repulsive or sinful then just dont have one, no one will get upset with you.
    The service you describe here (Sex and blow jobs etc) is not a lap dance it is sex for money ie you paid for the services of a prostitute.

    I wonder why it is you refer to this service as a lap dance? Do you feel less comfortable admitting you sought the service of a prostitute while in a relationship?

    Would you mind your gf seeing a male prostitute?
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    (insert anything) taking place between 2 consenting people and the only people that ever have a problem with that are those that are not there at the time.
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    (insert anything) taking place between 2 consenting people and the only people that ever have a problem with that are those that are not there at the time.
    Right on.
    I agree

    but

    would he feel this way if the love of his life was seeing male hookers for sex?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
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    (insert anything) taking place between 2 consenting people and the only people that ever have a problem with that are those that are not there at the time.
    Right on.
    I agree

    but

    would he feel this way if the love of his life was seeing male hookers for sex?
    I dont think you read my previous post. i dont have a girlfriend and no i did not pay for sex, i paid for a lapdance and i got one but i also got more than a lapdance. I didnt pay any more to get extra.

    When i have had a girlfriend i haven't gone to strip clubs or brothels. Well, i have gone to both with girlfriends and we both had a great time.

    I have no problem with what people do for sexual pleasure as long as all parties are consenting. I don't feel i have the right to morally judge them. Whether they pay for it or wine and dine for it. In the end it is just sex. Kind of what we are put here for in the first place. If we can have a little fun pursuing it and doing it then all the better.
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    I dont think you read my previous post. i dont have a girlfriend and no i did not pay for sex, i paid for a lapdance and i got one but i also got more than a lapdance. I didnt pay any more to get extra.
    So you don't feel uncomfortable admitting you saw a prostitute?

    Whether she charged you extra or not, she WAS a prostitute. Her 'extra's' are her way of ensuring more future business from you.

    Meanwhile, re the gf bit,

    If you will see a prostitute/dancer as a couple why not alone when in a relationship? Is this abstainance out of for respect for your partner or lack of need for this service at that time?

    So how do you feel about your gf seeing a male lapdancer/prostitute with you or without you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    would he feel this way if the love of his life was seeing male hookers for sex?
    Then he would be:
    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    ...those that are not there at the time... the only people that ever have a problem with that
    The full quote nicely wrapped it up.

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    Regarding the trend for whole hog "lap dances". What's driving it? It occurred to me the shift to prostitution cannot be entirely customer driven. And not that girls do extra out of generosity or lust either. I think that what is happening is: "lap dance" offers prostitutes a framework more secure than the alternative of working outside, so the trade is moving in. Consider the options: standing on the street corner getting picked up by any sketchy group of johns in a van, or working in "private lapdancing booths" (GrowlingDog's euphemism) where a girl may easily call "hands off" or even walk away at her discretion. In the old model brothel, customers held the initiative, demanded equal treatment and got it. They had all the power. Now, a brothel working in the spirit of lapdancing code, may offer just the same services as a traditional brothel while extending patrons absolutely no license over the girls. Such a business may, in practice, sell just what the brothel or the streetwalker is selling, take their business and take their workers. Yet if a john doesn't get it: "That's normal. See you next time." and all smiles.

    We've seen this before in the nebulous roles of geisha. Geisha have always reserved the right to claim "I'm an artist not a prostitute." Their empowerment depends on their facade. So naturally lap dancers, masseuses, stag strippers, etc. will push their own facades likewise. A customer may even judge their exclusivity by their mastery of the cover art.
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    A geuniuine question you too. Why so passionate about this topic morso than others?
    It wouldn't have something to do with fact I write about relationships and differences between men or women would it?
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    Hm. You seem very foward and direct, somewhat insulting in your question probing towards Pong in this thread. It seems more self driven than anything, and it seems more than me has noticed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
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    would he feel this way if the love of his life was seeing male hookers for sex?
    Then he would be:
    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    ...those that are not there at the time... the only people that ever have a problem with that
    The full quote nicely wrapped it up.

    ***

    Regarding the trend for whole hog "lap dances". What's driving it? It occurred to me the shift to prostitution cannot be entirely customer driven. And not that girls do extra out of generosity or lust either. I think that what is happening is: "lap dance" offers prostitutes a framework more secure than the alternative of working outside, so the trade is moving in. Consider the options: standing on the street corner getting picked up by any sketchy group of johns in a van, or working in "private lapdancing booths" (GrowlingDog's euphemism) where a girl may easily call "hands off" or even walk away at her discretion. In the old model brothel, customers held the initiative, demanded equal treatment and got it. They had all the power. Now, a brothel working in the spirit of lapdancing code, may offer just the same services as a traditional brothel while extending patrons absolutely no license over the girls. Such a business may, in practice, sell just what the brothel or the streetwalker is selling, take their business and take their workers. Yet if a john doesn't get it: "That's normal. See you next time." and all smiles.

    We've seen this before in the nebulous roles of geisha. Geisha have always reserved the right to claim "I'm an artist not a prostitute." Their empowerment depends on their facade. So naturally lap dancers, masseuses, stag strippers, etc. will push their own facades likewise. A customer may even judge their exclusivity by their mastery of the cover art.
    Yep this is what the link I found said more or less. Prostitution moving indoors, but also I think some young girls get into it thinking it is just a dance (with glamorous connotations) but then find themselves competing with prostitutes who do more so they feel obliged to do more else they don't make any money.

    So it is a vicious circle and on that basis we do need tighter regulation in order to protect these girls who did not set out with this 'contact lap dance' intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
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    I dont think you read my previous post. i dont have a girlfriend and no i did not pay for sex, i paid for a lapdance and i got one but i also got more than a lapdance. I didnt pay any more to get extra.
    So you don't feel uncomfortable admitting you saw a prostitute?

    Whether she charged you extra or not, she WAS a prostitute. Her 'extra's' are her way of ensuring more future business from you.

    Meanwhile, re the gf bit,

    If you will see a prostitute/dancer as a couple why not alone when in a relationship? Is this abstainance out of for respect for your partner or lack of need for this service at that time?

    So how do you feel about your gf seeing a male lapdancer/prostitute with you or without you?
    Question 1. No i dont have a problem admitting i have seen a prostitute, should i?
    Question 2. It would have to be a bit of both.

    Question 3. I have dated strippers so the answer would have to be no, i dont have a problem with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    it is a vicious circle and on that basis we do need tighter regulation in order to protect these girls who did not set out with this 'contact lap dance' intent.
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    prostitution should be legalised off the street, regulated, taxed and clean
    How do we fit these?

    It's an issue for my city, Vancouver, which in 2010 will host the Winter Olympics. We know from past events there will be a huge demand for sex workers and even thousands of girls basically smuggled in to service GrowlingDog. Now, prostitution is technically illegal though police enforcement mainly goes to raiding full-on brothels and arresting bad johns and pimps (the clearly abusive ones) as far as I know. The red light district is an unmistakable heroin shooting gallery stretching several blocks between Downtown and a major Olympic venue.

    A group of hookers and former hookers are lobbying for legal exemption to operate a co-op worker-owned brothel. The mayor, police chief, and MP representing that neighbourhood are all in favour but our current federal government (Tory) is blocking, and it won't happen. Awkwardly, our rape relief/women's shelter is also opposing, on the stand that any form of prostitution is bad for women.

    Current legal status of strip bars anything goes. However "lap dancing" that involves more contact than you'd get from a hairdresser is technically illegal. Regardless, unacknowledged lap dancers do work a room and offer more... which is where everything becomes sketchy and I think dangerous for the girls, because they/their actions can't be associated with the business or otherwise incriminate themselves/the business. They have these jobs, yet they're on their own and highly disposable.

    I believe the girls are a lot safer in the context of "private lap dance", with bouncers and so forth, than working out of back alleys, "$20 to climb into my rental car". And they're safer as real employees with job descriptions spelled out honestly. I'm pretty sure that if the management is good our police will (do) let it slide, as they frankly favour a "lesser of evils" in other matters. The fact that "lap dancers" have some say in their work will not be lost on police.

    I can't believe innocent girls are applying to strip bars as aspiring lap dancers thinking it a decent occupation with merely "glamorous connotations". The career path doesn't work that way. But conversation about how we can provide girls with better alternatives would be most welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
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    it is a vicious circle and on that basis we do need tighter regulation in order to protect these girls who did not set out with this 'contact lap dance' intent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    prostitution should be legalised off the street, regulated, taxed and clean
    How do we fit these?

    It's an issue for my city, Vancouver, which in 2010 will host the Winter Olympics. We know from past events there will be a huge demand for sex workers and even thousands of girls basically smuggled in to service GrowlingDog. Now, prostitution is technically illegal though police enforcement mainly goes to raiding full-on brothels and arresting bad johns and pimps (the clearly abusive ones) as far as I know. The red light district is an unmistakable heroin shooting gallery stretching several blocks between Downtown and a major Olympic venue.

    A group of hookers and former hookers are lobbying for legal exemption to operate a co-op worker-owned brothel. The mayor, police chief, and MP representing that neighbourhood are all in favour but our current federal government (Tory) is blocking, and it won't happen. Awkwardly, our rape relief/women's shelter is also opposing, on the stand that any form of prostitution is bad for women.

    Current legal status of strip bars anything goes. However "lap dancing" that involves more contact than you'd get from a hairdresser is technically illegal. Regardless, unacknowledged lap dancers do work a room and offer more... which is where everything becomes sketchy and I think dangerous for the girls, because they/their actions can't be associated with the business or otherwise incriminate themselves/the business. They have these jobs, yet they're on their own and highly disposable.

    I believe the girls are a lot safer in the context of "private lap dance", with bouncers and so forth, than working out of back alleys, "$20 to climb into my rental car". And they're safer as real employees with job descriptions spelled out honestly. I'm pretty sure that if the management is good our police will (do) let it slide, as they frankly favour a "lesser of evils" in other matters. The fact that "lap dancers" have some say in their work will not be lost on police.

    I can't believe innocent girls are applying to strip bars as aspiring lap dancers thinking it a decent occupation with merely "glamorous connotations". The career path doesn't work that way. But conversation about how we can provide girls with better alternatives would be most welcome.
    Oh, this is good, innocent girls (not women, or have we changed the age of adulthood here?) are applying for jobs as lapdancers. Next you'll be telling me that no prostitutes or lapdancers actually enjoy their work or the money they can make but are forced into it by drug lords and gangsters.

    If we were talking about male prostitution or lapdancing, would we talk about BOYS or would we assume that the MEN knew what they were getting into right from the start. How sexist it is to assume that women can't make decisions for themselves or that they are obviously being coerced or forced into their work under false pretenses.
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    I made the comments I made after reading an article written by an ex lapdancer who said she got into the work to dance with her tits out and nothing more, but quickly found she could not get work unless she did more as the other dancers did more so she felt forced to do more. She went on to say she felt objectified and that men would say things like
    'no thanks, you're tits aren't big enough' and so on and so forth.

    She said she had to earn money as the club charged them money and fined them for things like not being at the pole on time etc, so unless they made a lot of money they finished at end of night owing the club money.

    If the girls all had to provide same service this 'feeling obliged to do more' would not occur.

    I have also read articles from girls who do enjoy their work and this is great and what we want, but the fact is

    There are those that do not and those that feel obliged to do more than they want to to compete with those that do. They might be in debt and need the cash, so once they get started getting out of it isn't a matter of 'choice'.

    I call some of these women girls as they are teenagers in some cases, and to me an 18yr old is a girl not a woman, but that's just me, the older I get the younger they seem! It's an age thing. I have to say I never felt like a 'woman' when I was 18 either.

    I'm not judging you Growling Dog, just exploring all aspects of this.

    Meanwhile, to the other poster, lap dancing IS prostitution if any kind of sex act is engaged in.

    Technically as per definitions a lap dance involves 100% ZERO contact.

    There are other labels for the other types of dances where various contact is engaged in. ie a chair dance is one where woman will perch on chair and go above head of man and dangle her breasts in his face.

    A grind dance involves grinding the groin. These are USA definitions and all are regulated differently.

    I'll try to find that article I read.

    At the end of the day this is no different to any other job, some like their work and some do not and yet the work is the same. But applying for one job and feeling obliged to do things 'not on the job description' so to speak is something else and when it involves sex no one should feel obliged.

    I understand that as a customer one would want 'more' for your money and so bypass the less 'giving' girls but surely knowing not all dancers are so willing to be giving but feel 'obliged' it reduces the pleasure somewhat?

    I suppose if you talk to the girls you can find out who likes it and who doesn't though I can't imagine many advertising the fact they do not else no one would hire them right? But I do accept many do enjoy their work and can understand in some aspects why, but I think venue has a lot to do with it. A nice relaxed club with dancers as an extra must have a different vibe to an actual lapdancing club full of drunk business men on the razz.

    Oh and re men and boys, yes I would consider a male stripper aged 18 a BOY and would be utterly horrified to find a BOY performing for me. But again this is my age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    I made the comments I made after reading an article written by an ex lapdancer who said she got into the work to dance with her tits out and nothing more, but quickly found she could not get work unless she did more as the other dancers did more so she felt forced to do more. She went on to say she felt objectified and that men would say things like
    'no thanks, you're tits aren't big enough' and so on and so forth.

    She said she had to earn money as the club charged them money and fined them for things like not being at the pole on time etc, so unless they made a lot of money they finished at end of night owing the club money.

    If the girls all had to provide same service this 'feeling obliged to do more' would not occur.

    I have also read articles from girls who do enjoy their work but the fact is

    There are those that do not and those that feel obliged to do more than they want to to compete. They might be in debt and need the cash, so once they get started getting out of it isn't a matter of 'choice'.

    I call some of these women girls as they are teenagers in some cases, and to me an 18yr old is a girl not a woman, but that's just me, the older I get the younger they seem! It's an age thing. I have to say I never felt like a 'woman' when I was 18 either.

    I'm not judging you Growling Dog, just exploring all aspects of this.

    Meanwhile, to the other poster, lap dancing IS prostitution if any kind of sex act is engaged in.

    Technically as per definitions a lap dance involves 100% ZERO contact.

    There are other labels for the other types of dances where various contact is engaged in. ie a chair dance is one where woman will perch on chair and go above head of man and dangle her breasts in his face.

    A grind dance involves grinding the groin. These are USA definitions and all are regulated differently.

    I'll try to find that article I read.

    At the end of the day this is no different to any other job, some like their work and some do not and yet the work is the same. But applying for one job and feeling obliged to do things 'not on the job description' so to speak is something else and when it involves sex no one should feel obliged.

    I understand that as a customer one would want 'more' for your money and so bypass the less 'giving' girls but surely knowing not all dancers are so willing to be giving but feel 'obliged' it reduces the pleasure somewhat?
    I am certain stories like the one you describe happen all the time but i have to ask, why did the woman you talk about not just leave and find work elsewhere? It is a tough business, you can't handle the heat, get out. No one is being forced to dance despite what TV might have you believe.

    The thing is all women get into lapdancing/prostitution for financial reasons and in some cases the financial problems they had before they started work are far more damaging to them than the problems that come after they start work. In other words, its not always a case of earning money to put them selves through Uni or to put their children into private school (In Australia private schools are the expensive ones), in some cases sadly it is to continue a drug habit. A habit that was there before they started working and will most likely be there when they finish, either way, lapdancing does not encourage the problem, the problem in some cases can encourage lapdancing. I have met and socialized with women in the industry and yes, some have some serious emotional problems and i have told more than one of them that they should look for another way to make money because they will do their head in if they keep going.

    I also have to admit that i have met a true Nymphomaniac that wanted sex ALL the time and i suggested to her that prostitution might not be a bad option. She stopped working at a bar for $18 an hour and now makes between $2500 and $5000 a week as an escort and she loves her work. It is fair to say though that women like this are few and far between.

    I believe we must be very careful when making aspersions on others regarding their moral standing compared to our own. Witch burning was phased out 500 years ago but i cant help think at times that we have really not changed that much at all from those times. I like to think that i would not be a witch burner but rather one that tried not to pass judgment. Can we all say the same in this modern civilized world.
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    GD I haven't made any moral comments here, I am trying to uncover double standards. ie Guys who see LD as fun for them but would NOT want their women enjoying the same.

    I am pro prostitution, I am pro lap dancing, I just feel it needs to be better regulated as the lines between the two are blurring.

    It's like women who become escorts to ONLY attend dates, yet, as some escorts have sex too, all escorts are now labelled hookers and may be approached for sex by clients which will make the others who don't do sex feel very threatened and uncomfortable.

    Re the lapdancer who had negative experience she was an ex lap dancer so yes she did leave the business. Maybe she lasted in it while her debts were repaid who knows?

    I have cyber pal who is literally a South African Belle de Jour. She is educated, talented in web design and loves her work as an escort/prostitute and she commands respect from her clients. This is the ideal scenario, but sadly not the majority scenario I feel as you yourself admit from your own experience.

    We all do jobs we don't like at some point, heck I worked for 20yrs and hated it for most the time! But I think a job you dislike which involves your own body can have longer lasting damaging effects on your psyche.

    So anyway, debate rages on! good work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    GD I haven't made any moral comments here, I am trying to uncover double standards. ie Guys who see LD as fun for them but would NOT want their women enjoying the same.

    I am pro prostitution, I am pro lap dancing, I just feel it needs to be better regulated as the lines between the two are blurring.

    It's like women who become escorts to ONLY attend dates, yet, as some escorts have sex too, all escorts are now labelled hookers and may be approached for sex by clients which will make the others who don't do sex feel very threatened and uncomfortable.

    Re the lapdancer who had negative experience she was an ex lap dancer so yes she did leave the business. Maybe she lasted in it while her debts were repaid who knows?

    I have cyber pal who is literally a South African Belle de Jour. She is educated, talented in web design and loves her work as an escort/prostitute and she commands respect from her clients. This is the ideal scenario, but sadly not the majority scenario I feel as you yourself admit from your own experience.

    We all do jobs we don't like at some point, heck I worked for 20yrs and hated it for most the time! But I think a job you dislike which involves your own body can have longer lasting damaging effects on your psyche.

    So anyway, debate rages on! good work!
    Fair call and it is refreshing to see someone looking at this from something besides a "Oh those poor girls" point of view. The industry has far more complexities to it than that of say, Kmart but in the end i think you will find there are far more similarities than differences. I have to tip my hat to you though for taking on a task like the one you are undertaking. It must be very hard to be purely objective.
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    To reassure you of my interest in the topic as oppose to passing judgments, one of my eBooks, a light hearted examination of male - female encounters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    To reassure you of my interest in the topic as oppose to passing judgments, one of my eBooks, a light hearted examination of male - female encounters.

    http://www.1soulmate4u.talktalk.net/...t_1%5B1%5D.pdf
    I only read the first bit but couldn't find any analysis for wearing steel cap boots, with my work (scaffolding) that is what i wear more often than pointy, trendy, running or any other type of shoe. What type of lover am i if i wear steel cap boots? And no, i am fairly certain it does not mean i like wearing condoms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    To reassure you of my interest in the topic as oppose to passing judgments, one of my eBooks, a light hearted examination of male - female encounters.

    http://www.1soulmate4u.talktalk.net/...t_1%5B1%5D.pdf
    I only read the first bit but couldn't find any analysis for wearing steel cap boots, with my work (scaffolding) that is what i wear more often than pointy, trendy, running or any other type of shoe. What type of lover am i if i wear steel cap boots? And no, i am fairly certain it does not mean i like wearing condoms?
    I have changed my mind re those analyses after dating a very sexual man who wears trainers Yabaadabbadoooooooooooooooooooooo

    ahem

    Steel toe cap boots for work....erm, likes to get stuck in, likes a bit of rough BUT has his defences up. Protects his inner most soul from preying females who wish to steal it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    To reassure you of my interest in the topic as oppose to passing judgments, one of my eBooks, a light hearted examination of male - female encounters.

    http://www.1soulmate4u.talktalk.net/...t_1%5B1%5D.pdf
    I only read the first bit but couldn't find any analysis for wearing steel cap boots, with my work (scaffolding) that is what i wear more often than pointy, trendy, running or any other type of shoe. What type of lover am i if i wear steel cap boots? And no, i am fairly certain it does not mean i like wearing condoms?
    I have changed my mind re those analyses after dating a very sexual man who wears trainers Yabaadabbadoooooooooooooooooooooo

    ahem

    Steel toe cap boots for work....erm, likes to get stuck in, likes a bit of rough BUT has his defences up. Protects his inner most soul from preying females who wish to steal it.
    Yea rite and that's JUST steel cap boots huh? :-D
    Well, who am i to argue with science?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    To reassure you of my interest in the topic as oppose to passing judgments, one of my eBooks, a light hearted examination of male - female encounters.

    http://www.1soulmate4u.talktalk.net/...t_1%5B1%5D.pdf
    I only read the first bit but couldn't find any analysis for wearing steel cap boots, with my work (scaffolding) that is what i wear more often than pointy, trendy, running or any other type of shoe. What type of lover am i if i wear steel cap boots? And no, i am fairly certain it does not mean i like wearing condoms?
    I have changed my mind re those analyses after dating a very sexual man who wears trainers Yabaadabbadoooooooooooooooooooooo

    ahem

    Steel toe cap boots for work....erm, likes to get stuck in, likes a bit of rough BUT has his defences up. Protects his inner most soul from preying females who wish to steal it.
    Yea rite and that's JUST steel cap boots huh? :-D
    Well, who am i to argue with science?
    I forgot to add, you know TOO much about women, more than most men and this is why you are single, as you feel you can't fully trust them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
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    To reassure you of my interest in the topic as oppose to passing judgments, one of my eBooks, a light hearted examination of male - female encounters.

    http://www.1soulmate4u.talktalk.net/...t_1%5B1%5D.pdf
    I only read the first bit but couldn't find any analysis for wearing steel cap boots, with my work (scaffolding) that is what i wear more often than pointy, trendy, running or any other type of shoe. What type of lover am i if i wear steel cap boots? And no, i am fairly certain it does not mean i like wearing condoms?
    I have changed my mind re those analyses after dating a very sexual man who wears trainers Yabaadabbadoooooooooooooooooooooo

    ahem

    Steel toe cap boots for work....erm, likes to get stuck in, likes a bit of rough BUT has his defences up. Protects his inner most soul from preying females who wish to steal it.
    Yea rite and that's JUST steel cap boots huh? :-D
    Well, who am i to argue with science?
    I forgot to add, you know TOO much about women, more than most men and this is why you are single, as you feel you can't fully trust them.
    O'k now you might be on to something, damn i hate that. Actually if that's all you get from steel cap boots then the entire mining industry is in deep trouble.
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    O'k now you might be on to something, damn i hate that. Actually if that's all you get from steel cap boots then the entire mining industry is in deep trouble.


    Well ....truth be told, I just 'know' these things about people.
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    Interesting. In days of old such foresight might be seen as witchcraft and could be used in fortune telling. Thankfully today it is just seen as knowledge of the subject. Well, at least by me anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    Interesting. In days of old such foresight might be seen as witchcraft and could be used in fortune telling. Thankfully today it is just seen as knowledge of the subject. Well, at least by me anyway.
    I could 'fake' psychic but really it's just a question of being particularly observant of things people say, how they say them, and so on and in the case of face to face encounters of course, their demeanor, mannerisms, stance, walk etc. many clues for a fan of people reading like myself.

    I have a book written by a people reader who was hired in the USA to handpick a jury so as to ensure a desired 'judgement' can you imagine that!
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    Apparently any effort to directly regulate lap dancing will only add convolutions. How about indirect regulation? Here's one scenario that seems to work OK for everybody:

    Clustered businesses. Have a strip club on one floor of a building. Your strippers are just strippers. Add a VIP side. There you have lap dancers - staff - who do a bit of touching but their unabashed purpose is making guys horny and no more. BTW take the elevator one floor down there's a massage parlor :wink: : symbiotic business, again with sections. Handjob standard. Police tolerate this if it's basically a clean and safe environment they can check out from time to time. One may fail to notice that these ladies are not so pretty as the strippers upstairs. If you want more than a handjob, you'll have to find it outside. Outside being one of the independently rented suites in the building. The girl at the front will make a phone call for you. Police tolerate that since independent prostitutes do not constitute a brothel.

    This is all technically legal and within the power of municipal government to allow or not, by building and business permits. We have a few setups like this in my city but they weren't planned. They could be. We've got two years to prepare for a huge spike in this local industry, or not.
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    Pong, yes I have heard of this type of place and agree this seems a good system, tiered for the various services and no cross over unless you change floors.
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