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			<title>Pyrotechnics</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 00:00:29 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>In the preparation of nitroglycerin I have to mix 100 parts nitric acid at 50°Baume with 200 parts sulfuric acid. Let cool and add 38 parts glycerin....</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>In the preparation of nitroglycerin I have to mix 100 parts nitric acid at 50°Baume with 200 parts sulfuric acid. Let cool and add 38 parts glycerin. Stir the mixture with a glass rod and pour in 20 its volume of water. The precipitate must then be washed and saturated with bicarbonate of soda/lime. My question is how do I convert Baume to celsius?</div>

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			<dc:creator>fiveworlds</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[St. John's Wort]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 23:32:55 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've read up briefly on this particular natural plant.  Does it function in a similar manner as prescribed anti-depressants? Would it be unsafe or...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I've read up briefly on this particular natural plant.  Does it function in a similar manner as prescribed anti-depressants? Would it be unsafe or counterproductive to mix this with an SSRI &quot;Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor&quot;?  Thanks.</div>

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			<title>Book recommendation - Bestiary</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 21:07:24 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>The Book of Barely Imagined Beings by Caspar Henderson is a bit of an oddity.  It is a bestiary of real but strange beasts and the story of each...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The Book of Barely Imagined Beings by Caspar Henderson is a bit of an oddity.  It is a bestiary of real but strange beasts and the story of each animal is mixed with a bit of philosophy/psychology/biology/physics/history.....you name it, its probably in there.  Its an excellent curio of a book - well worth a read.</div>

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			<title>Band Crush</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 20:50:59 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[We saw The Beatles on the Sullivan show  
Started growing hair from that very minute  
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John, Paul,...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>We saw The Beatles on the Sullivan show <br />
Started growing hair from that very minute <br />
Went out and bought &quot;I Wanna Hold Your Hand&quot; <br />
John, Paul, George and Ringo in it <br />
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It was a BAND CRUSH <br />
Two guitars, bass and drums <br />
Keyboards on the side <br />
With amazing songs <br />
BAND CRUSH <br />
Screaming at the concert <br />
Records piling up <br />
As we sang along <br />
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Two girls and two guys fresh from Sweden <br />
A blonde and a redhead in bell bottom pants <br />
They hit number one with their &quot;Dancing Queen&quot; <br />
That disco fad made the whole world dance <br />
<br />
It was a BAND CRUSH <br />
Two guitars, bass and drums <br />
Keyboards on the side <br />
With amazing songs <br />
BAND CRUSH <br />
Screaming at the concert <br />
Records piling up <br />
As we sang along <br />
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Bridge: <br />
Shania Twain, she did alright <br />
Female Elvis when it was all done <br />
Her success made her feel like a woman <br />
She's in Vegas and still the one <br />
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Solo <br />
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We fell in love with Little Big Town <br />
Kimberly Schlapman and Karen Fairchild <br />
They played the Ryman right there in Nashville <br />
They did &quot;Pontoon,&quot; and the crowd went wild <br />
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Chorus <br />
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			<dc:creator>Jim Colyer</dc:creator>
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			<title>Religion and War</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 17:56:14 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[When you think about it.... the connection is obvious isn't it? 
 
Religion tells you all about dying and what (purportedly) comes after.          
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>When you think about it.... the connection is obvious isn't it?<br />
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Religion tells you all about dying and what (purportedly) comes after.         <br />
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War is a place people go to die. <br />
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How could religion not become the epicenter whenever a war is getting started?     Doesn't mean the religion started it.    Just means all those men who are facing a strong probability of an early death want to draw comfort from somewhere.           Their leaders would encourage it because having a good sense of the afterlife makes them more brave.<br />
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I don't see how it would be the cause.     More like an extremely effective psychological tool for conditioning soldiers.</div>

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			<dc:creator>kojax</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[If I Found A "Stargate" Complex - Should I Inform The Rest Of Humanity?]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 16:09:12 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Let's say that I happened to stumble upon a nano-teleporter (it does not matter how) and it subsequently transported me to a massive protected...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS">Let's say that I happened to stumble upon a nano-teleporter (it does not matter how) and it subsequently transported me to a massive protected complex (within the Earth's Core) which housed several &quot;stargate&quot; like portals.<br />
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I subsequently found that these portals led to hundreds of thousands of uninhabited habitable planets within the Universe (both known and undiscovered).<br />
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Should I then inform the rest of the human race? Or what would you do?</span></font></div>

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			<dc:creator>AHeinrich</dc:creator>
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			<title>stretching-yoga leading me to nowhere</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 15:43:55 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi, this is the context: 
 
i'm 32, male. Not of the sports type, thin, work with computers all day. Almost two years ago, i started practicing yoga...]]></description>
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i'm 32, male. Not of the sports type, thin, work with computers all day. Almost two years ago, i started practicing yoga to relieve the back pain, and up to now it has worked. However, i've gained almost zero flexibility and additional strength. I practice constantly (at least 2 times a week), and generally 3 or 4 times.<br />
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What am i doing wrong?<br />
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thanks</div>

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			<title>Will ObamaCare result in FEWER people with Health Insurance?</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 05:04:40 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Obamacare, if nothing else, was supposed to decrease the number of Americans not covered by health insurance.  However, it may fail to meet even that...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Obamacare, if nothing else, was supposed to decrease the number of Americans not covered by health insurance.  However, it may fail to meet even that goal. <br />
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Why?  A combination of the large increases in the cost of insurance under Obamacare and the fact that under the guaranteed issue rule people will be able to not buy insurance until they get sick or injured and need it.  Sure, there is the penalty for not buying insurance, but for 2014 it's just $95.  Way less than the cost of even one month of insurance.<br />
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A recent survey suggests that almost half of those polled who currently have health insurance will drop their coverage if their insurance rates increase 30%.  Average increase in premiums projected under Obamacare?  <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323936804578227890968100984.html?mod=WSJ_article_comments#articleTabs%3Darticle" target="_blank">50%</a>.<br />
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			<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Helvetica"><b>Obamacare will cause insurance premiums to rise sharply for the healthy and young</b>. When it comes to products, Americans aged 18 to 40 act like consumers of all ages everywhere: They have a price point, and when the price gets too high, they get busy making changes.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Helvetica">Evidence of these changes was gathered in late March and early April of this year, when the American Action Forum sponsored the first national poll of this demographic, specifically testing what effects various premium increases would have on consumers’ willingness to purchase coverage. <b>Respondents were those who already purchase insurance and had very specific information regarding their monthly premiums and the penalty they would pay if they failed to continue to <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/20/sharp-shoppers-scuttle-obamacare/#" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: inherit"><font color="#009900"><span style="font-family: inherit"><u>buy</u></span></font><img src="http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png" border="0" alt="" /></span></a> insurance</b>. They were also provided with the dollars they would have to fork over if premiums rose 10 percent, 20 percent or 30 percent.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Helvetica">The results are illuminating.<b> In this group of current insurance purchasers, only 83 percent will still purchase if premiums rise 10 percent;</b> 65 percent, if premiums rise 20 percent; <b>and only 55 percent, if premiums rise 30 percent. </b>The economic lesson is simple: As premiums rise, eventually, some consumers reach a price point at which they simply stop <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/20/sharp-shoppers-scuttle-obamacare/#" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: inherit"><font color="#009900"><span style="font-family: inherit"><u>buying</u></span></font><img src="http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png" border="0" alt="" /></span></a> health insurance.</span></font><br />
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Read more: <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/20/sharp-shoppers-scuttle-obamacare/#ixzz2TzNM1atH" target="_blank">HOLTZ-EAKIN: Sharp shoppers scuttle Obamacare - Washington Times</a> <br />
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			<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Arial">Central to ObamaCare are requirements that health insurers (1) accept everyone who applies (guaranteed issue), (2) cannot charge more based on serious medical conditions (modified community rating), and (3) include numerous coverage mandates that force insurance to pay for many often uncovered medical conditions.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Arial"><b>Guaranteed issue incentivizes people to forgo buying a policy until they get sick and need coverage (and then drop the policy after they get well)</b>. While ObamaCare imposes a financial penalty—or is it a tax?—to discourage people from gaming the system, it is too low to be a real disincentive.<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323936804578227890968100984.html?mod=WSJ_article_comments#articleTabs%3Darticle" target="_blank">Matthews and Litow: ObamaCare's Health-Insurance Sticker Shock - WSJ.com</a></span></font>
			
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</div> There will be some increase in coverage in the 26 states that plan to participate in the Medicaid expansion.  However, will that be enough to make up for the people who drop their previous coverage or are dumped from their employer plan under Obamacare?</div>

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			<title>Neurotransmitters and neuromodulators</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 02:40:58 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Following from reading the book on nanotechnology I decided to start into a book on neurotransmitters however there is,a complete lack of images or...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Following from reading the book on nanotechnology I decided to start into a book on neurotransmitters however there is,a complete lack of images or question. I wanted to ask if this is still accepted practice for obtaining a dissection of a human brain. To drill into the skull and remove the bone. Then rapidly removing the intact brain from the skull and placing it in ice cold saline solution or artificial cerebrospinal fluid,saturated with carbinogen. A dissection technique called vibrotome sectioning being used to remove a slice. Does anybody have any images of the artificial cerebrospinal fluid or know more about vibrotome sectioning?</div>

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			<dc:creator>fiveworlds</dc:creator>
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			<title>The innate repulsion to decapitate defenceless animals</title>
			<link>http://www.thescienceforum.com/behavior-psychology/35885-innate-repulsion-decapitate-defenceless-animals.html</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 01:16:11 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>When i think in decapitate a rabbit, a pig, a deer i experience the sensations of decapitate myself. Feel i am bleeding the pure love i perceive in...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>When i think in decapitate a rabbit, a pig, a deer i experience the sensations of decapitate myself. Feel i am bleeding the pure love i perceive in that animal brain . Specially when imagine a rabbit. Then each time i eat meat feel as a cannibal, a degenerated person. <a href="http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BQA/k/66/Does-God-Allow-Hunting-Killing-of-Animals.htm" target="_blank">Does God Allow the Hunting and Killing of Animals?</a> When i consider science is far to understand animal intelligence (kea, dolphin,...) and the fact that they constitute an important part of the economic system (detective dogs, dogs for blind men, newspaper dogs, horses as therapy for disabled, etc) my guilt worse. <a href="http://smellslikescience.com/the-psychology-of-killing-and-the-origins-of-war/" target="_blank">The Psychology of Killing and the Origins of War | smellslikescience.com</a> Do you think the war is a natural human tendence?</div>

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			<dc:creator>bezoar</dc:creator>
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			<title>Psychological Wisdoms</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 00:37:54 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[What kind of motos/wisdom you know, that helps you psychologically? 
 
I've become to a conclusion, that all kinds of changing operations are making...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>What kind of motos/wisdom you know, that helps you psychologically?<br />
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I've become to a conclusion, that all kinds of changing operations are making your mind weaker, not better. So if you are having mental health issues, never start doing psychological surgery to get rid of all the negativity. I have noticed that accepting all the braincontent works better than trying to avoid things. Scizophrenia as example, causes lot of moments that you can't stand - but if you are not starting to fight the sympthoms, you'll be more happy. <br />
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Depression can really eat your concious too. All the negative thoughts that recycle in your mind, they need to be isolated and put away. Let others help you. Take the meds.<br />
The hard situation will fade out eventually. <br />
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Know yourself and be that!<br />
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Some thoughts have helped me over the years. Remember to not carry all the burden.</div>

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			<title>venous pressure and pressure gradient</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 23:23:52 GMT</pubDate>
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 	<div class="cms_table"><table class="cms_table"><tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><td class="cms_table_alt2"> 			 				 Blood pressure at venous end of capillary: An increased pressure at  the venule end of the capillary reduces venous return, because the  pressure difference between the right atrium and the peripheral veins is  reduced. Similarly a decrease in pressure at the venule end would  increase venous return.</td>
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<a href="http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=1882" target="_blank">http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answ...ic.php?id=1882</a><br />
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 	<div class="cms_table"><table class="cms_table"><tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><td class="cms_table_alt2"> 			 				Surely increasing the blood pressure in veins would help movement, and obviate the need for valves?<br />
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No.  Because the pressure gradient is reduced, there would be a problem  with  adequate circulation.  In addition, the capillaries, where the  business of gas and nutrient exchange takes place, have permeable walls.  An increase in venous pressure would increase the pressure inside the  capillaries leading to 'leak' of fluid from the blood into the tissue (a  bit like tea being squeezed from a tea bag).  The tissue becomes  'water-logged' (clinicians and scientists call this 'oedema') and it is a  problem because it increases the distances that gases and nutrients  must diffuse to meet the metabolic needs of the tissue. This problem  happens in congestive heart failure, where the venous pressure increases  due to inadequate pumping by the heart.</td>
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how this happens I always think that  increasing the blood pressure in veins would help movement<br />
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			<dc:creator>Misr</dc:creator>
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			<title>Egg Demo</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 22:55:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hi, my little sister has to do an egg demo using: 
1. Aluminum Foil 
2. Glue 
3. Paper Bag 
 
I obviously do not know how to prevent the egg from...</description>
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<li>Paper Bag</li>
</ol>I obviously do not know how to prevent the egg from breaking... <br />
Thank you for your time in coming up with a solution... <br />
We need help, because I am stumped..:confused:  :-|  :bugeye:   :?:<br />
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OK... <br />
Her teacher is going to get the egg and drop it from a ladder... and no there is no limit to the amount of the materials....</div>

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			<dc:creator>TallMonster101</dc:creator>
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			<title>Electroplating</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 22:08:36 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've been playing around with plating recently using copper oxide and a 9V battery. My solution is aqueous with regular tap water my anode is a...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I've been playing around with plating recently using copper oxide and a 9V battery. My solution is aqueous with regular tap water my anode is a copper soldering tip and i'm using a key ring as the cathode. I wanted to clean the key chain of skin oils and junk, so i dipped it in acetic acid for a couple hours, rinsed it with water and dried it with a clean towel.  Now the question, why is the plating ending up with some spots being plated more than others, on the key ring almost like reverse pitting?  Could the impurities in the water be doing anything? I can't say for certain what the metal is for the ring, my guess is it's steel, but this inconsistency is also taking place on a brass key I plated.  This normal due to the fact that the metals I am plating are most likely not homogeneous or pure enough?</div>

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			<dc:creator>figbush1</dc:creator>
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			<title>Has Anyone Been Able Not To See The Dark?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 21:55:28 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>*We have often heard of people not seeing sun light, or electric light, what I am asking, is there anyone who has never seen the dark?* 
*As I know...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><span style="font-family: Verdana"><b><font color="#000000">We have often heard of people not seeing sun light, or electric light, what I am asking, is there anyone who has never seen the dark?</font></b></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana"><b><font color="#000000">As I know it light alone is not visible, there is always a component of dark for light to be visible; this is also true for the reverse.</font></b></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana"><b><font color="#000000">When I hear of black holes that are so dense they trap light, the question arises, if black holes were opened, would we find light inside. As we are made to understand by modern science, black holes reacts to gravity, they are so dense they do not emit light. What I am trying to understand is this, how can light be trapped? If black holes were dense matter, it would not trap light but reject light.</font></b></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana"><b><font color="#000000">When we see light it goes in our bodies and show us the light inside, when we shut out the light we do not have light inside. Can we say the light is trapped inside as we do for black holes? </font></b></span></div>

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