Thread: global warming: salvaging the facts from the BS

Nothing bugs me more than global warming deniers except being lied to about global warming. Who exactly is lying is something I can't say, but someone definitely is.

I want to start this thread so that I can post articles I've come across contradicting the evidence in support of global warming and/or the anthropocentric account of it.

I don't know who to trust and I feel like a helpless child in a custody battle - who gets to convert me over to their side? - and I feel like shouting out "Just tell me the goddam truth!!!"

I'll accept the words of the noble scientists on TSF, but that's not to say I won't challenge them. I'll take whatever you say and pit it against the words of others on other forums and then come back with more fodder for debate. I hope that over the long haul, some meaningful picture will emerge that explains the riff between the data and the misconceptions that appear on both sides so that a most-plausible-scenario can be built for me to latch onto.

In short, the goal of this thread is to build for myself (and others) a more firm foundation on which to take a stand on the GW issue and to stick to it on grounds other than blind faith or ignorance. It seems so hard to do this on this issue though because of all the conflicting reports and my lack of expertise in both the subject and my BS detection skills.

So here's a couple articles to start:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2871

This one claims that the steady increase in the average yearly global temperature in a myth, that...

Originally Posted by DENNIS T. AVERY

The earth’s warming from 1915 to 1940 was just about as strong as the “scary” 1975 to 1998 warming in both scope and duration—and occurred too early to be blamed on human-emitted CO2. The cooling from 1940 to 1975 defied the Greenhouse Theory, occurring during the first big surge of man-made greenhouse emissions. Most recently, the climate has stubbornly refused to warm since 1998, even though human CO2 emissions have continued to rise strongly.

This blatantly contradicts Gore's claim that the average yearly global temperature has been increasing at an alarming rate well into the 21st century, 2005 (I think it was) marking a global record.

http://washingtontimes.com/article/2...404827900/1013

This one claims that the supposed consensus among climatologists and other relevant experts is fraudulent. It says that a significant number of scientists don't want to voice their assessments on the anthropocentric question in fear of being ridiculed or losing their jobs, and that a high number of dissenters come from within the circle of experts itself.

Another point I'd like to know more about (which I don't have an article on unfortunately) is the melting of the Martian polar ice caps that seems to be happening at the same rate and in parallel to all the GW symptoms here on Earth. This can't be explained by anthropocentrism, but it easily can by sunspot theories.

I'm not taking sides here. How can I when I have no idea how to sieve the facts from the bull shit? I want to challenge the GW naysayers, but not because I'm taking up a contrary position, just because that seems to be the only way to force people to backup their claims with something substantial.

To be honest this is nothing new. The Farmers Almanac has been predicting this stuff with rather startling accuracy. It is funny but some scientist say that with all the ice melting they are finding things that they should not have found if the caps were not receding. However some of the things they have found are not that old. It has happened before.

As far as CO2 some growers of plants especially Marijuana use it to grow their plants in an atmosphere of it. Usually in basements so the gas lays low.
Maybe we should just grow weed and not let it bother us. Ha-ha. I don't condone drugs. God put you here the way you are, because he loves you the way you are. You should not take drugs to be different. You are already who you are.

Once I was doing an experiment, and I needed some parts for the experiment. So I built a rather safe multi-channel detonating system for this drug dealer. He put me up in a hotel and paid me well. He was a little paranoid and put a gun to my head. And asked me if I was cop. I just asked if that was a 25 caliber Biretta? He said yea. He always trusted me after that. And he was ok too.

But he had a rather elaborate system of CO2 to grow the plants. I also built him some bird houses with spy cameras in them. So he could watch and not be seen. Those were the days. Ha-ha.


http://www.Rockwelder.com/Chemicals/...hermostat.html


Sincerely,


William McCormick

Hi gib65,

I don't have time to respond in detail, but this link might give a partial answer to the first question. The industrial revolution, and large scale human CO2 emissions, began well before 1915 (as you know).

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...st-millennium/

The funny thing about deniers is that that don't seem to agree about anything except that we should do nothing

I might come back to this later in the week.

Thanks for everyone's replies. Those are helpful.

I found an article on that Martial polar ice caps melting:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

There's this one quote that says:

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.

Here's another couple articles supporting the IPCC consensus:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/publicat...additivity.pdf

Tell me something...

Who are our world leaders listening to? Are they listening to the actual experts, real climatologists and IPCC members, or are they just going on their own opinions or misinformed sources like the great majority of people?