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    Or just another cop out?

    With a few days to go Boris is in fine form.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elections.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Or just another cop out?

    With a few days to go Boris is in fine form.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elections.html
    How many in his entourage? I may be wrong but even if you discount the pilots/attendant(s), wouldn’t you have to divide the 21 tons of CO2 by number of persons on board to arrive at an individual’s carbon footprint number? Is Boris in the habit of travelling alone?


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    While I never expect politicians to set an example, he could have travelled by more environmentally friendly means.
    Another Tory politician whose constituency is in the area where they churn out gas guzzling 4x4's is opposed to electric vehicles because it will damage the prosperity of the town (Solihull).

    Will Russia be advantaged by climate change?
    Ice free ports.
    Burning of forests and unfreezing of permafrost means easier access to raw materials.

    Who will be the winners and losers on any real action on climate change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    While I never expect politicians to set an example, he could have travelled by more environmentally friendly means.
    Another Tory politician whose constituency is in the area where they churn out gas guzzling 4x4's is opposed to electric vehicles because it will damage the prosperity of the town (Solihull).

    Will Russia be advantaged by climate change?
    Ice free ports.
    Burning of forests and unfreezing of permafrost means easier access to raw materials.

    Who will be the winners and losers on any real action on climate change?
    Doesn’t answer my question so I’ll assume Boris had company. I hear little Greta now travels by boat.

    Our elected politicians are just as bad. Last Xmas during COVID some of them, including cabinet ministers, faked videos of themselves being at home to hide the fact they had actually flown to a vacation spot, typically the Caribbean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Will Russia be advantaged by climate change?
    Ice free ports.
    Pevek, in eastern Siberia, is looking at increased shipping traffic in the summer when the ice melts.*

    And this is likely just for starters.



    "How Russia Is Cashing In on Climate Change"

    * https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/w...nge-putin.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
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    Or just another cop out?

    With a few days to go Boris is in fine form.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elections.html

    How many in his entourage? I may be wrong but even if you discount the pilots/attendant(s), wouldn’t you have to divide the 21 tons of CO2 by number of persons on board to arrive at an individual’s carbon footprint number? Is Boris in the habit of travelling alone?
    The prize for that has to go to the US delegation. I read it comprises one thousand people! All descending on Glasgow, by plane. All accommodation in the city is now full and delegates will have to commute from Edinburgh, over 40 miles away.

    How can Biden possibly need more than, say, 10% of that number? (I expect about half of them are security gorillas and Men in Black.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    Or just another cop out?

    With a few days to go Boris is in fine form.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elections.html

    How many in his entourage? I may be wrong but even if you discount the pilots/attendant(s), wouldn’t you have to divide the 21 tons of CO2 by number of persons on board to arrive at an individual’s carbon footprint number? Is Boris in the habit of travelling alone?
    The prize for that has to go to the US delegation. I read it comprises one thousand people! All descending on Glasgow, by plane. All accommodation in the city is now full and delegates will have to commute from Edinburgh, over 40 miles away.

    How can Biden possibly need more than, say, 10% of that number? (I expect about half of them are security gorillas and Men in Black.)
    Why travel at all? Don’t we have the technology to do this from home? Would using cyberspace for such a meeting leave a bigger carbon footprint than flying overseas for live discussion?

    Edit: Not sure of accuracy of this article but food for thought…..

    https://en.reset.org/knowledge/our-d...world-12302019

    excerpt:
    .That means that our use of digital technologies now actually causes more CO2 emissions and has a bigger impact on global warming than the entire aviation industry! A
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Why travel at all? Don’t we have the technology to do this from home? Would using cyberspace for such a meeting leave a bigger carbon footprint than flying overseas for live discussion?
    Let's hear it for Vlad. He might virtually attend, but only because of the pandemic.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58977993
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    When irresponsible farming is compounded by climate change on Britain's most beautiful river.

    https://www.thenational.wales/enviro...es-slow-death/
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    We're just a bloat of hippos. Ever seen one of their pools? It's downright awful. Can't imagine what some rivers, lakes and pools might have looked like in dino days. I think more than a few of Earth's animal species have changed environments and ecosystems, just add us to the list.

    https://gizmodo.com/hippo-poo-is-suf...ica-1826117653
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    The prize for that has to go to the US delegation. I read it comprises one thousand people! All descending on Glasgow, by plane.

    There are a lot of Americans going to COP26. Many of that "thousand" are likely from Congress, NGOs, etc., trying to have a say (many behind closed doors of course). If one can get observer status, they can go. But most of these would not "represent the U.S.", which is defined by the executive branch.

    It is rather unlikely that Biden is sending 1,000 people *. Of course the two major parties will also attend, with the Democrats and Republicans sending their own teams, for very different reasons.

    Where did the notion that Biden is sending 1,000 government officials ("the U.S. delegation") come from?



    "Exclusive: Biden sending 13 cabinet members, high-level officials to UN climate summit in show of force"

    * https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/14/politics/biden-cabinet-members-attending-cop26-climate/index.html


    While these 13 will certainly have additional staff coming with them, and security, it is not likely to come close to 1,000 in this delegation.

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    Looks pretty clear that not much is coming out of all these meetings over 25 years, other than feel-good concepts for saving the planet.

    Maybe this next one will save the day, but would not bet on it, based on the Emissions Gap report*.


    "Climate change: UN emissions gap report a 'thundering wake-up call' "

    * https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-59049770
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    China's response to all this nonsense about coal being the most polluting fossil fuel is to have their own show.



    I'm a bit suspicious as to why Glasgow in the first place.
    Scotland has its attractions.
    Cop26 will be great for the economy.
    Glasgow will be put on the map.

    I'll watch out for all the tourism commercials after the event promoting:
    Hospitality.
    Traditions.
    Scenery.
    World famous golf courses.
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    Strange weather front moving north then south again producing severe flooding in last 48 hours in a region that heavily depends on tourism.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-59066324
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    Meanwhile, between Cumbria and Glasgow.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-59071373

    But Glasgow is cashing in on accommodation.
    Budget rooms have risen from 50 a night to 888.
    In other cases:
    https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/...t-grand-night/

    Proving that climate change is good for the economy.
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    Greta Thunberg leads the youth march today by saying Cop 26 is a failure.

    How is it she is so mature for her 18 years and although Swedish speaks better English than the rest of us?

    Could it be? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...firms/11728674

    "...she flew into our space time continuum".



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    Unless there's an encore Cop 26 ends today, having achieved what?

    Next year Cop 27 in Egypt then the show moves on to UAE in 2023.

    Still trying to reinforce the walls of the castle when the enemy is already inside.
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