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    We've all been told that fish stocks are declining and that the fish that are taken are now smaller than they used to be. But pictures bring the message home.

    1957.



    2007.





    And there are a whole lot of intervening pictures in this article. Along with some charming piccies of jellyfish being netted.

    Though of course the article is about how easily we shift our mental goalposts. We think "that's not so bad" or "that's not very exciting" but the only reason we say those things is because we've forgotten. Forgotten how much better something was previously or how lucky we are that we have the information or entertainment we have now when it would have been absolutely magical a couple of decades ago.

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    We do forget and very quickly. I remember Jared Diamond writing how he believed the Easter Islanders disappeared because they basically cut all their trees down and had no wood left. Each generation became used to the smaller and smaller woods until the final generation thought it was perfectly natural that there were only a couple of trees on the island.

    My niece's daughter didnt know what I meant when I asked her if she wanted light or dark chicken meat because she has only ever seen the bleached chickens from the supermarket - for her 'normal' chickens have white meat all over.

    The Easter Islanders had a sort of excuse because they had no written history or pictures to keep things alive - the Western world on the other hand has no excuse - there is an abundance of history to learn from and we shouldnt be ignoring it.


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    Jellyfish taste great! I have them at my sushi bar whenever they have them.

    True, we are over fishing as well as many other bad things but no one seems to want to stop it especially in other countries that have few laws.
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    It's a persistent problem even in well regulated nations. My dad was a Maine commercial fisherman most of his life. I was part of that life during the 1970s until I went to college in 1981. By 1985, most of the people I'd know had sold or deliberately sunk their boats and filed for insurance--only a few converted their boats to whale watching. My dad and I used to be able to go off shore in a 16 foot runabout and hand line and jig a few hundred pounds of cod in an afternoon; once I was old enough to join the off shore fleet we'd often fill up with tens of thousands of pounds in a few days--only ice and the capacity of our boat limited the catch. Today a few hundred pounds a day for a commercial boat is common. Here's a chart of the groundfish catch record, that includes mostly cod, pollock and haddock and shows the crash. We knew the problem when a school of fish would be found and dozens of boats would follow and wipe is out in a week or so, the catch often being pre-reproductive size--commonly sold as scrod for a premium in local markets.

    Lastly as much as I loved Diamond's book, he got it mostly wrong for Easter Island--as it turns out the rats the polynesians brought did more damage than the people by eating most of the forest seeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post

    Lastly as much as I loved Diamond's book, he got it mostly wrong for Easter Island--as it turns out the rats the polynesians brought did more damage than the people by eating most of the forest seeds.
    Thats disappointing
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    Artificially-induced natural selection?

    Fishermen throw the small ones back into the sea, so the small ones are the ones who are more likely to reproduce and so over time the species naturally becomes smaller?

    I think the same kind of thing happened with those crabs that look like little Samurai faces.
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    Most commercial techniques (dragging, trawling, gill netting, long lines) the fish are dead....and they keep all sizes.
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    Don't bother trying to fish the Dead Sea. Dad forgot to put fish in it. Good for boating, though.
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    Don't bother trying to fish the Dead Sea. Dad forgot to put fish in it. Good for boating, though.
    Not even shrimps?
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    Not even shrimps?
    Not much value to Jews nor to lots of Muslims. They can't eat them.
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    Not even shrimps?
    Not much value to Jews nor to lots of Muslims. They can't eat them.
    They WON'T eat them, but they could. Nothing tastes better than the forbidden. Sure, there's risk involved; eternal damnation and so forth, but...what the hell, pulled-pork sandwich's are worth it.
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    Not even shrimps?
    Not much value to Jews nor to lots of Muslims. They can't eat them.
    Too salty?
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    Too salty?
    Not allowed.

    Remember halal restrictions on food for Muslims are really just a relaxed (ever so slightly relaxed) version of kosher for Jews.
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    It is against the Jewish faith to eat shellfish.

    Frankly, and this is not a racial statement....I wish to make that VERY CLEAR!!

    Our biggest problem in Hawai'i AND in Northern CALI is JAPANESE FISHERMAN!!! They net...what they don't want they let DIE. These nets are not little things they are HUGE. The native Hawaiian's are FURIOUS about this....and our North Coast Fishermen Mainland are also.

    ONO used to be $7.99 a pound 3 years ago

    It is now 21.99 a pound

    They have banned "SHARK FIN" fishing but if you think that it doesn' happen..you are kidding yourself. They only cut off the fins and leave the shark to die.....for an aphrodisiac

    I frankly get way too upset.
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