Thread: peta...lies?

omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???

if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss


can someone tell me this

Originally Posted by Falloutboysgirl

omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???

if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss


can someone tell me this

*sigh* well, to put it as simply as-is possible without reading anymore of that HORRID eye-sporking grammar: They basically show video's of *WORST CASE* scenario's to convert you to their cause. They're no better than theists using examples of "tragedy" (which are also worst-case scenario's) to convert people.

And I believe I saw that same video. There is a discussion on it if you care to search. it's in the Vegetarianism thread.

if you don't mind i have to agree with your Dad. i do wonder though, do you feel less emotion over a dead tuna or a dead dolphin. a shark seems to have no preference. if you do, would a dead cow or chicken make a difference.

actually a good share of tuna you eat is now farm grown. no dolphin any where around. they taste just fine too.....

Er, I'm not a biologist but aren't dolphins 'ex-mamals' rather than fish? and if so would not their flesh be more like our's than fish?

Perhaps the 'grey bit' you ate was as a result of the fish being poisoned by plutonium.... :-D

Originally Posted by Falloutboysgirl

omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???

if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss


can someone tell me this

Have you seen the live skinning of animals videos and how they are left to live on in a bin afterwards until their heart gives out? Or the disruption of dolphin sonar as to beach them, batter the mothers to death and take their calves?
I dont know what you saw but if its on video its probably actually happening. If your Dad is calling it propaganda, I would say that he proababy thinks the scale of the claims are exaggerated, or is just spreading the joy and ignorance of wankers, I dont know.
Any way these things happen in the world, its up to you to make of it what you will.
Personally animal cruelty sickens me, but its going to happen what ever you do.

Originally Posted by Falloutboysgirl

omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???

if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss


can someone tell me this

from what i understand of it dolphin safe has something to do with the nets, and you wouldnt get a bit of dolphin in with your tuna. Any dolphins that are caught while catching tuna are lobbed back in the sea(still dead though) and not gutted on board and packed with ice(as the tuna is) to the processing plant

not sure what the grey part was, unless it was part of the outer skin that made it through the process

Originally Posted by Megabrain

Er, I'm not a biologist but aren't dolphins 'ex-mamals' rather than fish? and if so would not their flesh be more like our's than fish?

Perhaps the 'grey bit' you ate was as a result of the fish being poisoned by plutonium.... :-D

yes, dolphins are mammals (not-ex), as are cows, pigs, deer, buffalo, rabbits. these are warm blooded creatures, fish cold. we eat em all....your dog eats a little more horse meat than humans.

Ive cleaned a lot of catfish, there skin is not much different than ours, at least to touch. taste good to, but since i have never eaten human flesh i cannot give opinion.

isn't mercury the villain in the oceans.

Originally Posted by jackson33

Originally Posted by Megabrain

Er, I'm not a biologist but aren't dolphins 'ex-mamals' rather than fish? and if so would not their flesh be more like our's than fish?

Perhaps the 'grey bit' you ate was as a result of the fish being poisoned by plutonium.... :-D

yes, dolphins are mammals (not-ex), as are cows, pigs, deer, buffalo, rabbits. these are warm blooded creatures, fish cold. we eat em all....your dog eats a little more horse meat than humans.

Ive cleaned a lot of catfish, there skin is not much different than ours, at least to touch. taste good to, but since i have never eaten human flesh i cannot give opinion.

isn't mercury the villain in the oceans.

yeah i think mercury works its way up, shellfish take it in, then they get eaten and that fish takes it and on up the food chain it goes

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Originally Posted by Falloutboysgirl

omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???

if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss


can someone tell me this

Have you seen the live skinning of animals videos and how they are left to live on in a bin afterwords until their heart gives out? Or the disruption of dolphin sonar as to beach them, batter the mothers to death and take their calves?
I don't know what you saw but if its on video its probably actually happening. If your Dad is calling it propaganda, I would say that he probably thinks the scale of the claims are exaggerated, or is just spreading the joy and ignorance of wankers, I dont know.
Any way these things happen in the world, its up to you to make of it what you will.
Personally animal cruelty sickens me, but its going to happen what ever you do.

live skinning of mammals has not happened in many years. even chickens are now killed first, although there nerve system works on and can be un-nerving.

fish feel no pain. we did skin catfish while living for simplicity and even after that cut off the head. they can go on for several minute breathing but this also may have been a nerve system.

guess your a vegetarian, so you should consider even your vegetables are composed of 50% of our genetic structure. a little less than chickens. if you eat meat, remember most animals kill there dinner, eat and go with out ever cleaning up. at least give some credit to your fellow man.

her Dad was right. much to do about nothing and pure propaganda to influence those young skulls.

Originally Posted by jackson33

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Originally Posted by Falloutboysgirl

omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???

if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss


can someone tell me this

Have you seen the live skinning of animals videos and how they are left to live on in a bin afterwords until their heart gives out? Or the disruption of dolphin sonar as to beach them, batter the mothers to death and take their calves?
I don't know what you saw but if its on video its probably actually happening. If your Dad is calling it propaganda, I would say that he probably thinks the scale of the claims are exaggerated, or is just spreading the joy and ignorance of wankers, I dont know.
Any way these things happen in the world, its up to you to make of it what you will.
Personally animal cruelty sickens me, but its going to happen what ever you do.

live skinning of mammals has not happened in many years. even chickens are now killed first, although there nerve system works on and can be un-nerving..

Dont be a dick! its happening to this day in the fur industry.

fish feel no pain. we did skin catfish while living for simplicity and even after that cut off the head. they can go on for several minute breathing but this also may have been a nerve system.

No! it is debated by retards (and you obviously) that they feel no pain, but fish are vertibrates, have a nervous system and are adverse to damaging scenarios.

guess your a vegetarian, so you should consider even your vegetables are composed of 50% of our genetic structure. a little less than chickens. if you eat meat, remember most animals kill there dinner, eat and go with out ever cleaning up. at least give some credit to your fellow man.

Im not a veggy. I just see no point in cruelty for orgasm sake.

her Dad was right. much to do about nothing and pure propaganda to influence those young skulls

Do you know what propaganda means moron?

Click on the link for what ever media player you have. Contains video of live skinning of animals in Chinas fur industry.

http://www.animal-protection.net/furtrade/chinafur.html

I hope you arn't suggesting that animal products industries in the US do, or cause, or by their nature encourage things that happen in China? Non western nations (China is considered "The Far East" which is about as far from "West" as you can go ) often continue inefficient and cruel practices.

The strange thing I find is how Vegan pushers often try to play to emotion and then when refuted bite out with their own moral impositions and worst case scenarios. It's like arguing religion, with words being more important than evidence and namecalling the order of the day.

Originally Posted by musicalaviator

I hope you arn't suggesting that animal products industries in the US do, or cause, or by their nature encourage things that happen in China? Non western nations (China is considered "The Far East" which is about as far from "West" as you can go ) often continue inefficient and cruel practices..

No Im not suggesting that, Im presenting it as fact!

The strange thing I find is how Vegan pushers often try to play to emotion and then when refuted bite out with their own moral impositions and worst case scenarios. It's like arguing religion, with words being more important than evidence and namecalling the order of the day

Look Im not a fucking vegan artard! I eat eat meat and I wear lether shoes. I am a normal guy who is just appalled by certain cruelty. You sir are a cock sucker however!

BTW Im an athiest.

i think we are all minimizing these industries that practice heartless cruel standards in their facilities. the bottom line is some are bad and need to be shut down. most are good and if its USA oriented it is probly safe to eat knowing it was not cruel but just know where you get your food from... don't buy from strangers...

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Look Im not a fucking vegan artard! I eat eat meat and I wear lether shoes. I am a normal guy who is just appalled by certain cruelty. You sir are a cock sucker however!

if your appaled by killing animals, why the fuck do you wear lether shoes and eat meat? I guess you never had to cook yourself dinner with your own hands coz you have to have your mummy do everything for ya. maybe you should enter the REAL life rather than sitting infront of your fucking computer all day and playing cs

To put it bluntly, everything you've said is pointless. Those video's are composed of worst-case scenario's, rather than common case. they play the emotional violin like a charm, and attempt to convert people left and right.

Sufficed to say, I've seen video's of live skinning. Especially of foxes (my favorite animal, no less), which does hit emotional chords. However; most of these conditions exist outside the USA, and many fur shops refuse to accept such low-grade fur in the US anyway.

Also, the USA has strict laws regarding animal cruelty. None of those conditions exist within present-day US "factories."

Originally Posted by Hyeuk

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Look Im not a fucking vegan artard! I eat eat meat and I wear lether shoes. I am a normal guy who is just appalled by certain cruelty. You sir are a cock sucker however!

if your appaled by killing animals, why the fuck do you wear lether shoes and eat meat? I guess you never had to cook yourself dinner with your own hands coz you have to have your mummy do everything for ya. maybe you should enter the REAL life rather than sitting infront of your fucking computer all day and playing cs

No I said I am appalled by certain cruelty. Humane slaughter of animals even for fur if that is your bag is OK with me, also experimentation on animals to further science.
Has there been a recruitment of dumbasses why I have been away?

Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht

To put it bluntly, everything you've said is pointless. Those video's are composed of worst-case scenario's, rather than common case. they play the emotional violin like a charm, and attempt to convert people left and right.

Sufficed to say, I've seen video's of live skinning. Especially of foxes (my favorite animal, no less), which does hit emotional chords. However; most of these conditions exist outside the USA, and many fur shops refuse to accept such low-grade fur in the US anyway.

Also, the USA has strict laws regarding animal cruelty. None of those conditions exist within present-day US "factories."

Bullshit! Fucking 1 million + of these chinese furs made it to the so called strict lawed US in one month of 2005. What is your agenda, did you jack off to this video my any chance? and want to preserve your pleasure??

Originally Posted by SealOtter

i think we are all minimizing these industries that practice heartless cruel standards in their facilities. the bottom line is some are bad and need to be shut down. most are good and if its USA oriented it is probly safe to eat knowing it was not cruel but just know where you get your food from... don't buy from strangers...

Yes indeed, I totally agree.

fish are cold blooded. they are not thought to suffer pain. if they do there is no apparent response to it. there is a response from dolphin's which are warm blooded.

there are laws in dusty must follow. fur, chicken, hogs, all of them. if you know of abuses...report them, don't complain. most state and city governments also have animal cruelty laws as well...

its rare to see a meat eater, skin user with such passion to oppose the very world he/she participates in. i think a few nights watching what animals do to each other would be in order. many nibble there victims to death or even leave before death occurs. cute little birds are good at this.

[quote="jackson33"]fish are cold blooded. they are not thought to suffer pain. if they do there is no apparent response to it. there is a response from dolphin's which are warm blooded..[/quot] Absolute bullshit! If an injury is inflicted on a fish its response is to get the fuck out of there , and struggle as hard as it can this is what we see in all animals that feel pain. Are you seriously suggesting that fish have no selve preservation responses? Dick for brains! Anyway why ddi you bring fish into it? we were talking of higher mammals i.e. dolphines, not the fucking fish.

there are laws in dusty must follow. fur, chicken, hogs, all of them. if you know of abuses...report them, don't complain. most state and city governments also have animal cruelty laws as well...

Im not fucking complaining about them certainly not to a prick like you. I was just trying to educate one person(falloutboy) and who ever else turned up with brains and common sense, then 3 retards turned up with bullshit claims.

its rare to see a meat eater, skin user with such passion to oppose the very world he/she participates in. i think a few nights watching what animals do to each other would be in order. many nibble there victims to death or even leave before death occurs. cute little birds are good at this

Bullcrap!
For starters most meat eaters I know with any once of empathy in them are sickened by this level of cruelty.
Secondly I am fully aware of the natural world and that animals eat each other, but only a fuckwad would come up with such an ibicilic comparison which is beside the fucking point anyway. Nibble each other to death? do me favour! learn a bit about the natural world before opening your ass.

instinct and pain create different responses. by the way dolphins are very high on the genetic/human scale. my skinning catfish and your somewhat immature comment brought fish into issue.

sounds like complaining, whining or bellyakeing...but then thats my opinion. your the linguistic.

Originally Posted by jackson33

instinct and pain create different responses. by the way dolphins are very high on the genetic/human scale. my skinning catfish and your somewhat immature comment brought fish into issue. .

Someone give me a break from this retarded fag please! I have never talked of skinning catfish(your little brain confused trhat). I was talking of skinning of live mammals, dogs included for their fur, from the outset.

sounds like complaining, whining or bellyakeing...but then thats my opinion. your the linguistic.

Im not bellyaching about anything dick, all I was trying to do is educate one person to the fact that cruelty to animals goes on throughout the world then you stepped in whinning about how fish somehow forwent evolving pain responses(which to any biologist is total bollocks).
Any what is your mission? what do you wish to gain by promoting ignorance to extreme cruelty to animals in the name of some cheap tart owning a fur for instance. Was you sodomized as a child?

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

What is your agenda, did you jack off to this video my any chance? and want to preserve your pleasure??

Implanck, your post is an ad-hominem. Do you know what an ad hominem is? It's a logical fallacy where you attack another person personally to make it appear as though you actually have a point, when you don't. I'd advise you stop using such low-grade tactics and start thinking as you type, and try to conform to the rules of logic. 'kay? Good. Especially before some moderators decide to ban you.

In fact, here is a better description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Also, insulting these members because they disagree with you is not a good way to stay without getting banned. I'd advise you behave from now on.

Bullshit! Fucking 1 million + of these chinese furs made it to the so called strict lawed US in one month of 2005.

If that's true, and since you "obviously" researched it, where are the links to prove that claim? Since a quick google turns up absolutely nothing, y'see. Then again I'm not exactly sure what to google to get what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Has there been a recruitment of dumbasses why I have been away?

Don't worry, I'm sure nobody could replace you, your unique ability to post is not likely to be matched by anybody we could recruit.

Originally Posted by Megabrain

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Has there been a recruitment of dumbasses why I have been away?

Don't worry, I'm sure nobody could replace you, your unique ability to post is not likely to be matched by anybody we could recruit.

Who the fuck are peabrain?

Well, it's nice to see a post from you with at least one word of greater than four letters in it, keep practising and you might even learn to compose something that's grammatically correct. 8)

Ignorance deserves derogation, I cant believe the new influx are so ignorant to significant acts of cruelty lying at our feet.

Originally Posted by Megabrain

Well, it's nice to see a post from you with at least one word of greater than four letters in it. 8)

You can count up to four huh? That will be an advantage when cashing your welfare check.

Ignorance is a relative term, that is, you are only smart if others are ignorant. Would you really like a world where we are all as smart or as dumb as each other?

Originally Posted by Megabrain

Ignorance is a relative term, that is, you are only smart if others are ignorant. Would you really like a world where we are all as smart or as dumb as each other?

No I just want a world where everyone who is willing to listen is given the lowdown on what goes on and are not peturbed by jellybrained armchair critics .

If it's any consolation, I too cannot see a need for transferring fur from one dumb animal to another, or for killing an animal for a few drops of perfume, I suspect most people are the same.

Ditto, megabrain.

Also, Imaplanck., you are basically doing the same thing the islamists have done on this forum. Made everybody view them even worse. You are currently acting in such a hostile, arrogant, and ignorant manner, that everybody is likely to view activists even worse than they already do. kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht

If it's any consolation, I too cannot see a need for transferring fur from one dumb animal to another, or for killing an animal for a few drops of perfume, I suspect most people are the same.

Ditto, megabrain.?

WTF???? You have just attempted to persuaded the 100 or so people or so that have read this that the oposite applys. Jesus Christ you are gay!

Also, Imaplanck., you are basically doing the same thing the islamists have done on this forum. Made everybody view them even worse. You are currently acting in such a hostile, arrogant, and ignorant manner, that everybody is likely to view activists even worse than they already do. kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

No dickwad you are the ignorant arrogant one. I am also no activist. For the 4th fucking time I merely wanted to make the point that peta are not lying in the fact that cruelty is going on because of what we consume in the west. Then you came up with all sorts of retarded statements about fish not feeling pain. You are one hell of a piece of shit man!

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

You are one hell of a piece of shit man!

I think that statement basically sums up your overall intelligence. Discussion closed on account of rampant stupidity. I wash my hands to it.

Also, those statements are actually rather true. Although they're highly summarized, and should be researched or expressed better, the majority of people on this thread know what they are talking about. You, however, apparently do not.

You also appear to be quite content throwing feces like a monkey, rather than learning.

Another interesting point is how you make reference to the readers. Is it just me, or is it every time someone is out to impress the readers and inflate their own ego, they end up saying the dumbest things imaginable?

Originally Posted by Megabrain

If it's any consolation, I too cannot see a need for transferring fur from one dumb animal to another, or for killing an animal for a few drops of perfume, I suspect most people are the same.

Its not a point of killing the animal, its point of inflicting a horrific drawn out death, undercutting(price wise) the humane producers.

Edit: http://www.londonpunks.co.uk/fur.htm

your pictures are noted. my disgust probably no less than you or any one from most places.

however your infringing on customs. people have some very strange customs and what you have shown is not the worst. even my southern neighbor, Mexico displays dogs (even puppies) in much the same state.
i am not going into what is believed to be some current such practices in Africa. they are welcome to their customs with out my input.

the point is the young lady is not from these places and the program she watched not what you and i refer to. the Peta people and other fringe organizations have objectives not the least bit concerned with real problems and make problems with incidents that no longer are legal. you, they or i can get any animal cruelty problem solved with simple actions requiring no money. (they need the money).

her Dad is correct and you know it. the point of her thread.

there is another few customs around the world, such as cutting the heads off your enemy and displaying corpse for media. about 2 billions people have little problem with this tactic and you might display some anger at this. killing woman, chopping off limbs (even the fifth) and burying the live for very minor crimes are a few others.

Why post the pictures?

We know it goes on, we know monkey brains are eaten whilst the monkey is alive, we know there is nothing you can think of in the way of cruelty that somebobody somehere hasn't already done. Having watched through many years the horrors of the Vietnam war on the box, apes with their hands chopped off left with infant young clinging to the corpse, and many other things it no longer raises any horror in one's mind. We have become immune to it. So if it is to shock us it does not, no more than watching a half-buried woman being stoned to death, or the pictures from the football stadium in Kabul of executions, I just think 'bastards' and move on.

The only thing that really shocks me these days is not what some peasant does to a rabbit but what some adults do to children, your rabbits, monkeys, dolphins etc are way down the list, even lower down than paying my taxes, sas but true. So next time you fell like posting a picture how about a butterfly, or a rose, they'll have a lot more effect.

Originally Posted by jackson33

however your infringing on customs. people have some very strange customs and what you have shown is not the worst. even my southern neighbor, Mexico displays dogs (even puppies) in much the same state.
i am not going into what is believed to be some current such practices in Africa. they are welcome to their customs with out my input..

Dont make me laugh.

the point is the young lady is not from these places and the program she watched not what you and i refer to. the Peta people and other fringe organizations have objectives not the least bit concerned with real problems and make problems with incidents that no longer are legal. you, they or i can get any animal cruelty problem solved with simple actions requiring no money. (they need the money).
there is another few customs around the world, such as cutting the heads off your enemy and displaying corpse for media. about 2 billions people have little problem with this tactic and you might display some anger at this. killing woman, chopping off limbs (even the fifth) and burying the live for very minor crimes are a few others

Yes and I was just trying to show the girl that her Dad should STFU about something he knows nothing about and stop repeating garbage he has heard obviously concocted by vested interests.
No! you cant fix a thing with money at the root of it(cheapest fur possible) without money!


What do they want your money for then? huh? show us!



A bit of education on economics:

The west are buying millions of these furs per month because they are cheap and there are no regulation defining the import of fur from countries like china in either the US or UK.

These chinese producers know that the best fur comes from fur from animals skinned alive so they either provide that or the competition will.

Any move away from the worst case scenario (as you put it) will bump up the cost, so guess which producers get chosen and remain in business?

Originally Posted by Megabrain

Why post the pictures?

We know it goes on, we know monkey brains are eaten whilst the monkey is alive, we know there is nothing you can think of in the way of cruelty that somebobody somehere hasn't already done. Having watched through many years the horrors of the Vietnam war on the box, apes with their hands chopped off left with infant young clinging to the corpse, and many other things it no longer raises any horror in one's mind. We have become immune to it. So if it is to shock us it does not, no more than watching a half-buried woman being stoned to death, or the pictures from the football stadium in Kabul of executions, I just think 'bastards' and move on.

The only thing that really shocks me these days is not what some peasant does to a rabbit but what some adults do to children, your rabbits, monkeys, dolphins etc are way down the list, even lower down than paying my taxes, sas but true. So next time you fell like posting a picture how about a butterfly, or a rose, they'll have a lot more effect.

I posted the pictures because a certain person said not only does this not go on in this day an age, but it only happened to fish.
Also I disagree that everyone knows of this. I didn't until a year ago.

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Originally Posted by jackson33

however your infringing on customs. people have some very strange customs and what you have shown is not the worst. even my southern neighbor, Mexico displays dogs (even puppies) in much the same state.
i am not going into what is believed to be some current such practices in Africa. they are welcome to their customs with out my input..

Dont make me laugh.

the point is the young lady is not from these places and the program she watched not what you and i refer to. the Peta people and other fringe organizations have objectives not the least bit concerned with real problems and make problems with incidents that no longer are legal. you, they or i can get any animal cruelty problem solved with simple actions requiring no money. (they need the money).
there is another few customs around the world, such as cutting the heads off your enemy and displaying corpse for media. about 2 billions people have little problem with this tactic and you might display some anger at this. killing woman, chopping off limbs (even the fifth) and burying the live for very minor crimes are a few others

Yes and I was just trying to show the girl that her Dad should STFU about something he knows nothing about and stop repeating garbage he has heard obviously concocted by vested interests.
No! you cant fix a thing with money at the root of it(cheapest fur possible) without money!


What do they want your money for then? huh? show us!



A bit of education on economics:

The west are buying millions of these furs per month because they are cheap and there are no regulation defining the import of fur from countries like china in either the US or UK.

These Chinese producers know that the best fur comes from fur from animals skinned alive so they either provide that or the competition will.

Any move away from the worst case scenario (as you put it) will bump up the cost, so guess which producers get chosen and remain in business?

i don't know what the laws are for industry in China. frankly its not my business, yours or Peta's. if this practice is current, they produce furs for a supplier and that supplier is in the US and you can prove the link, you have a case. since your shoes are leather, i suggest however you have come full circle.

yes the father of the girl, has a vested interest. his daughter, and the garbage Peta and you put out there is of no concern to her. look what its done to your attitude in one year.

Erm, no, as I said before in my post, the burden of proof relies on *YOU* since *YOU* made the claims! Yet I see no links with statistics!

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Also I disagree that everyone knows of this. I didn't until a year ago.

Thats coz your dumb and ignorant. if ur so discusted, why dont you stop bitching here and actually make a fucking complaint or something. and fuck you.

o wow..i had no idea this would get so many responces ahahahaa imaplank ur funny...anyway i found somethin new for anyones who cares its http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm it says peta kills 80% of animals intrusted to thetre care!!! so yeahlater yall

I believe that has been proven to be exaggerated. However, I think PETA is an example of what was once a wonderful idea, now gone awry. PETA should not be the mainstream protector of the animals that people believe they are. There are many groups of dedicated people out there who really are trying to make a difference. People who aren't insane fanatics that lie to people to convert them to their ideals.

Oh yeah, I'm a vegetarian by the way. I think PETA has been corrupted by beauracracy and insane officials, and although I don't advocate cruelty to slaughter-animals, I don't agree with PETA's ideas either. They are probably more successful at turning people off to their messages.

Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht

To put it bluntly, everything you've said is pointless. Those video's are composed of worst-case scenario's, rather than common case. they play the emotional violin like a charm, and attempt to convert people left and right.

Sufficed to say, I've seen video's of live skinning. Especially of foxes (my favorite animal, no less), which does hit emotional chords. However; most of these conditions exist outside the USA, and many fur shops refuse to accept such low-grade fur in the US anyway.

Also, the USA has strict laws regarding animal cruelty. None of those conditions exist within present-day US "factories."

Not true. It has been verified that in PETA's "meet your meat" video, for example, that everything said in the voice overs is completely true, and it is only the footage that is worst case scenario. Yes, the USA does have those laws, but they can't inspect every factory all the time, can they? PETA is quite biased and not the best organization (they kill animals themselves, obviously, and also offend more than they help- they have ads, videos, etc out there that demean almost everyone) but other organizations have said the same things. I can find sources, if you would like. Sources withOUT pictures.

No idea about the fur. That video is horrible, and I know that mink farms and such are very not nice places, but other than that I don't know anything on that topic.

Yes, I am a vegan. I'm only including that piece of info in my post because we really aren't all like either PETA or imaplank-the-not-vegetarian-who's-managed-to-piss-off-everyone-here. Many of us don't agree with them.

Oh, and please feel free to disagree with me. I'm quite interested in the real conditions of the animal-using industries.

Originally Posted by hedinthecloudz

Oh, and please feel free to disagree with me. I'm quite interested in the real conditions of the animal-using industries.

How about I feel free not to believe a vegan who thinks they're telling the truth without providing sources?

Didn't I say that I could provide sources? I love how being vegan suddenly makes people lose all credibility...

How animals at slaughterhouses are treated, may not open if you aren't subscribed to the site:
http://discoverer.prod.sirs.com/disc...T%3B0000113995

The blog of a former slaughterhouse worker, a bit graphic in descriptions but tells about USDA incompetency, among other things:
http://cyberactivist.blogspot.com/

The USDA is responsible for following through on those animal protection (and human protection)laws. Effective, eh?
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/media/pr_mad29.htm
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/media/pr_transport.htm
Kind of overall overview of the inadequate laws, not very detailed but it was the first I came to:
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/adopt/index_cruelty.htm

I HAVE seen an article where someone verified that all of meetyourmeat was true, but I don't have time to find it tonight. Maybe I can post it tomorrow.

Originally Posted by hedinthecloudz

Didn't I say that I could provide sources? I love how being vegan suddenly makes people lose all credibility...

How animals at slaughterhouses are treated, may not open if you aren't subscribed to the site:
http://discoverer.prod.sirs.com/disc...T%3B0000113995

The blog of a former slaughterhouse worker, a bit graphic in descriptions but tells about USDA incompetency, among other things:
http://cyberactivist.blogspot.com/

The USDA is responsible for following through on those animal protection (and human protection)laws. Effective, eh?
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/media/pr_mad29.htm
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/media/pr_transport.htm
Kind of overall overview of the inadequate laws, not very detailed but it was the first I came to:
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/adopt/index_cruelty.htm

I HAVE seen an article where someone verified that all of meetyourmeat was true, but I don't have time to find it tonight. Maybe I can post it tomorrow.

This doesn't prove that the PETA isn't using worst-case scenarios. It just proves worst-case scenarios. Also, I wouldn't trust blogs, as many times bloggers are literally *hired* to do this stuff. I should know, I was offered similar jobs while freelancing.

And no, not a vegan, but a PETA sympathizer. especially when they're under suspicion. :P

Are you calling me a PETA sympathizer? Because I don't think that agreeing that they have a cause does not automatically mean that someone agrees with their methods etc. PETA does very little but get people turned against vegetarianism/ animal rights. I am an animal rights sympathizer, NOT a PETA one.

Yes, I guess that you're right that PETA's videos aren't true 100% of the time, but that doesn't mean that the practices shown aren't true more often than they should be, does it?

And the things in the blog have been mentioned by other sources as well. Yes, it could just be a huge setup, but why just talk about Tyson foods? They could have gotten a whole big poultry industry thing going if they had a mind to.

Anyway, whatever. I just posted to say that PETA's crap isn't all 'propaganda bs.' Maybe I'm right, maybe you are, but neither of us can prove it either way.

Originally Posted by hedinthecloudz

Are you calling me a PETA sympathizer? Because I don't think that agreeing that they have a cause does not automatically mean that someone agrees with their methods etc. PETA does very little but get people turned against vegetarianism/ animal rights. I am an animal rights sympathizer, NOT a PETA one.

Yes, I guess that you're right that PETA's videos aren't true 100% of the time, but that doesn't mean that the practices shown aren't true more often than they should be, does it?

And the things in the blog have been mentioned by other sources as well. Yes, it could just be a huge setup, but why just talk about Tyson foods? They could have gotten a whole big poultry industry thing going if they had a mind to.

Anyway, whatever. I just posted to say that PETA's crap isn't all 'propaganda bs.' Maybe I'm right, maybe you are, but neither of us can prove it either way.

I see. My mistake. At least I admit when assumptions are horribly illogical, unlike certain 60 year old bastards.

I seem to be under the impression that I was just called a sixty year old bastard! Wow, I have had better debates with ten year olds! Insults never solve anything, didn't your kindergarden teacher tell you? And if the assumptions that I make are illogical, what about the thousands of other people who make the same (or greater) assumptions? There are some very intelligent people who agree with me, are they all 60 years old and bastards as well? I'm sure that many of them would love to hear you call them that...

Originally Posted by hedinthecloudz

I seem to be under the impression that I was just called a sixty year old bastard! Wow, I have had better debates with ten year olds! Insults never solve anything, didn't your kindergarden teacher tell you? And if the assumptions that I make are illogical, what about the thousands of other people who make the same (or greater) assumptions? There are some very intelligent people who agree with me, are they all 60 years old and bastards as well? I'm sure that many of them would love to hear you call them that...

...actually, it was a jab at another user. So glad you are lightning fast to take umbrage..*sigh* Always the troublesome ones...

Well, the whole quoting of my post before the insult kind of led me to believe that you were talking about me...

Originally Posted by hedinthecloudz

Well, the whole quoting of my post before the insult kind of led me to believe that you were talking about me...

I was referring to someone up in age. Hence the 60 year old comment. You took it utterly the wrong way.

Yes, I suppose I did. Hence, the little laughing smiley...

hey, i'm a vegatarian, i only eat herbivores

sorry, had to say it,

anyway.. the peta episode from south park? anyone seen it...?? it's a weird one anyway, not very fun. Still it gives ya a negative sight on animal lovers..

PETA is a awefull organisation.
They are hypocrits. Say dont kill animals but kill humans etc.
If they were to decied theyd rather see you dieing than killing a single animal to save you

Originally Posted by id

I believe that has been proven to be exaggerated. However, I think PETA is an example of what was once a wonderful idea, now gone awry. PETA should not be the mainstream protector of the animals that people believe they are. There are many groups of dedicated people out there who really are trying to make a difference. People who aren't insane fanatics that lie to people to convert them to their ideals.

Oh yeah, I'm a vegetarian by the way. I think PETA has been corrupted by beauracracy and insane officials, and although I don't advocate cruelty to slaughter-animals, I don't agree with PETA's ideas either. They are probably more successful at turning people off to their messages.

+1 I'm vegetarian too and this is pretty much how I feel.

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Originally Posted by jackson33

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

Originally Posted by Falloutboysgirl

omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???

if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss


can someone tell me this

Have you seen the live skinning of animals videos and how they are left to live on in a bin afterwords until their heart gives out? Or the disruption of dolphin sonar as to beach them, batter the mothers to death and take their calves?
I don't know what you saw but if its on video its probably actually happening. If your Dad is calling it propaganda, I would say that he probably thinks the scale of the claims are exaggerated, or is just spreading the joy and ignorance of wankers, I dont know.
Any way these things happen in the world, its up to you to make of it what you will.
Personally animal cruelty sickens me, but its going to happen what ever you do.

live skinning of mammals has not happened in many years. even chickens are now killed first, although there nerve system works on and can be un-nerving..

Dont be a dick! its happening to this day in the fur industry.

fish feel no pain. we did skin catfish while living for simplicity and even after that cut off the head. they can go on for several minute breathing but this also may have been a nerve system.

No! it is debated by retards (and you obviously) that they feel no pain, but fish are vertibrates, have a nervous system and are adverse to damaging scenarios.

guess your a vegetarian, so you should consider even your vegetables are composed of 50% of our genetic structure. a little less than chickens. if you eat meat, remember most animals kill there dinner, eat and go with out ever cleaning up. at least give some credit to your fellow man.

Im not a veggy. I just see no point in cruelty for orgasm sake.

her Dad was right. much to do about nothing and pure propaganda to influence those young skulls

Do you know what propaganda means moron?

I'm gonna be honest, i really dont care about you ideals, but i cant help thinking (not as an insult to you) "this guy is an idiot", you seem like the "retard" whent you attack other personaly like that

that put aside, i just dont see the point in careing weathr or not fish feel pain

as far as propaganda goes, i have no problem beliveing that peta would eather take somthing out of context or blow it out of preportion, just to press there ideals on people

i am a hunter and damn proud of it...do ya think i'm cruel?

get your facts straight and stop insulting people

Originally Posted by Falloutboysgirl

omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???

if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss


can someone tell me this

Life is this way buddy... Just accept it.

Yeah well, doing something about it help too buddy.