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    EDITORIAL: Exit Jim Hansen - Washington Times

    Jim Hansen will be raking in the dough like Al Gore. This is manipulated science gone bad, imo.


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    Wow, that is pretty extraordinary piece of journalism. I thought it was a spoof at first. They definitely don't want to let you get the impression they might be unbiased.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple007 View Post
    Jim Hansen will be raking in the dough like Al Gore. This is manipulated science gone bad, imo.
    lol, you really seems to be pissed of by inconvenient truths. Try to forgive Gore to have accepted to be stolen from the elections he won. He is indeed a dough.

    This article is also a great piece of comedy, from inside the bubble. Thanks for the laugh.
    Perhaps there’s more here than meets the eye. Mr. Hansen reads the newspapers and he can see the tide of scientific opinion slowly but surely turning against the fanciful notion that man’s collective carbon-dioxide exhalations are heating the planet

    I am still rolling on the floor..

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    They definitely don't want to let you get the impression they might be unbiased.
    They're so afraid that a few people occasionally confuse them with the Washington Post that, every now and again, they have to demonstrate conclusively that they're really not in the same class.
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    I had never heard of the Washington Times before so I wasn't sure if this was the way that all US newspapers wrote (I have never really read any). I had a quick look at the website's front page. From just the headlines, it is like a parallel universe that is almost, but quite, the same as ours. Weird.
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    I had never heard of the Washington Times before...
    The Washington Times was founded by Sun Myung Moon of Unification Church. The stories published are usually politically right leaning. In 2004 Sun Myung Moon was crowned in a private ceremony by a mixed bag of Republican and Democrat politicians (in a government office) with The Crown of Peace. The man thought he was the messiah.
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    ok
    so, I took the link, and drug out
    “A reconstruction of regional and global temperature for the past 11,300 years,”
    googled it, nd went to the paper-----( i don't actually "hate" pay walls, but they ain't on my favorate places list)
    so I had to read what other people had to say about the paper to which I was denied access.
    and, in that paper, it seems to say that the earth is now warmer than it was for 80% of the holocene............
    flip that over, and it says that the earth was warmer than today during 20% of the holocene---------

    funny how bashers can occasionally lead to interesting reads
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    and
    the paper also seems to attribute the warming for the past 100 years to anthropogenic forcings--------while mentioning that if we use a 150 or 200 year chart, we are startting from the depths of the "little ice age" which seems to have been the coldest time in the past 11000 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Wow, that is pretty extraordinary piece of journalism. I thought it was a spoof at first. They definitely don't want to let you get the impression they might be unbiased.
    lol.


    The dude has spent nearly 40 years in public service, about half of that ineligible to either be promoted, or take extra money from private industries and leading the science on climate modeling. To boot even his models way back in the stone age of climate modeling from the 70s turned out to verify pretty well. He's done good science, he never failed to lend his scientific conclusions to policy makers: He's a tribute to scientific leadership and probably deserves an award for a lifetime of selfless service.
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    Not that I agree with the author of the article but it IS an editorial. Biased opinion is the nature of an editorial. Editorial.

    Editorials should always be taken for what they are, the opinion of someone else. The problem with newspapers these days is that all authors want to be editorialists rather than reporters. So we never get unbiased reporting anymore. And we are never really able to form our own reliable opinions based on reported facts of the case. Instead we get skewed presentations of presumed facts and are then told what we should think of it. This type of reporting should be condemned and the opinion pieces clearly marked as editorials like this article is.
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    The article I quoted -- “A reconstruction of regional and global temperature for the past 11,300 years,” --mentioned in the linked editorial, (and tried to discuss) was by Marcott, et.al.
    you were ragging an article from science-a peer reviewed journal
    You think they're hacks?
    Science 8 March 2013:
    Vol. 339 no. 6124 pp. 1198-1201DOI:10.1126/science.1228026

    so if you think these guys at "science" are hacks,

    Who, then would you think aren't hacks
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    I do not have a "position", just an open mind and a thirst for knowledge
    You, on the other hand..............................
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    as your post followed mine, and was not directed at any one post in this thread,
    I assumed that your post refered to mine

    so have you run down the links nd quotes and found information on the aforementioned article?
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    sculptor. The Marcott paper is absolutely terrific for putting the recent warming into perspective with the Holocene. Though of course, it has the same limitations as all other such long-term reconstructions - this one ends in 1940. Others using different techniques usually finish in 1950.

    There are three really good posts here about it. In order, they are ......
    Global Temperature Change — the Big Picture | Open Mind
    The Tick | Open Mind
    Regional Marcott | Open Mind
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    Back to the OP, James Hansen's resignation.

    He gives his own reasons for retiring. Mainly to do things that he couldn't do as a public servant, like taking legal action against his own government or advising other governments that US policies and other actions should be opposed. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/02/sc...nted=all&_r=1&

    I rather liked this last bit, “At my age,” he said, “I am not worried about having an arrest record.”
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    Even consumers can get in on the action. A few years ago you could buy an electric golf cart for $6000 and receive a $6000 tax credit making the cost of your street legal golf cart 0. Kind of nice to be able to drive to the golf course and then through the golf course then to the lounge.
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    Or just walk...
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    A few years ago you could buy an electric golf cart for $6000 and receive a $6000 tax credit making the cost of your street legal golf cart
    Good grief! I have no words.

    The only way I can think of this working is if people are falsely claiming this as a business expense. Or maybe faking it as a medical item? Whatever. Certainly would never work here in Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    A few years ago you could buy an electric golf cart for $6000 and receive a $6000 tax credit making the cost of your street legal golf cart
    Good grief! I have no words.

    The only way I can think of this working is if people are falsely claiming this as a business expense. Or maybe faking it as a medical item? Whatever. Certainly would never work here in Australia.
    I'm all for going back to riding horses.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Good grief! I have no words.

    The only way I can think of this working is if people are falsely claiming this as a business expense. Or maybe faking it as a medical item? Whatever. Certainly would never work here in Australia.
    Well, I have more bad news. Ten years ago, the French government (and many others) decide to offer "primes" for less polluting vehicle. Could reach 7000 €. That incentive in itself (and the raising gasoline prices) invert the tides toward the stupid SUV.
    Meanwhile ... A french engineer was designing a car with zero CO2 emission at the price tag of 5000€ (and entitled to that 7000€ prime).
    When interviewed by journalist the guy was clueless at how the government would solve that "problem".

    It is not about go-green and get paid. There are a lot of industries from farming to steel foundry even petroleum that could only runs on government "gift". I am not even taking tax-cut into account, or industries like "banks", which sucks entirely from government tits, without providing any services...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I'm all for going back to riding horses.
    when horses were the only transport, you needed hip boots to cross city streets, and sometimes, the streets were littered with dead horses mired in maneur.

    a different form of polution----
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
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    I'm all for going back to riding horses.
    when horses were the only transport, you needed hip boots to cross city streets, and sometimes, the streets were littered with dead horses mired in maneur.

    a different form of polution----
    I never read anything suggesting that dead horses lined streets at any time, where did you hear that?... now the presence of manure, well that's to be as expected as shredded tire bits, gasoline and oil drips are today. All vehicles have their bi-products.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    my goodness but you've led a sheltered life
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    Crap, I just bought a bunch of green T-shirts after reading the thread title. Then I come back to find out I have to buy cars? Ugh.
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    I never read anything suggesting that dead horses lined streets at any time, where did you hear that?... now the presence of manure, well that's to be as expected as shredded tire bits, gasoline and oil drips are today. All vehicles have their bi-products.
    So you've never read Superfreakonomics. Neither have I.

    But the writers used this research about the horse manure (and urine and flies and carcases) problem in large cities.
    http://www.uctc.net/access/30/Access 30 - 02 - Horse Power.pdf


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    thanx adelady---explained it far better than could I.

    as late as the early 50's, when i lived in chicago as a small child, there was a horsedrawn produce wagon.
    the produce man would walk along next to the horse singing out the fresh produce of the day, and people(women) would come out and buy the produce he had to offer. If memory serves, the horse never stopped, it just walked slowly over the same route every day, while the produce man dealt with customers, then hurried to catch up to the horse.
    Also, my mother's dad was a drunk, and upon leaving the rural wisconsin tavern, would lie down in the back of the wagon as the horse took him back to the barn with no effort on grand-dad's part. You might say that the horse was the designated driver.

    .....................
    one day, we may just get automobiles as smart as grand-daddies horse

    just climb in and say "home", then relax, take a nap, or read the evening news
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